Just to point out

[Assassin]

Yeah I know this isn't an app or anything but this whole proccess is shammy at best. You want people to pay 11 a month and take this place on as a part if not more of a full time job to join a clan after they get ULA. I'm not against the work but making people pay money to prove themselves? I'm sorry that I'm having a rough time (as are many people mind you) and cannot afford that. Oh 11 dollars isn't hard to come up with, your right but I'm not giving up my gas money or cig money to "try" and prove myself to a clan that may but probably won't accept me in the (x number of years here). As shady said we have many people who have come to the server because of us or stayed here because of us and we get no recognition for it because you (maynard, vlad, other inactive mods) don't see it in game, but you may want to reconsider your process unless you really are just trying to fleece people for money until they "decide" they want you as an ULA or clan.

[StarsMine]

Your right. Clan isnt for everyone, nor do they want it to be. You dont need to be clan to hang out, no one here has anything against regulars. Servers are not free to run, you wont see a single server that doesnt cost money to be an admin. It gives people incentive to not abuse and lose their money.

When MY clan was running our server, I had to pay for my admin, and I was part of the CLAN owning it. I dont think you relize ibis makes its money off of admins and not ads, the servers cost money and takes alot of zeros time to maintain.

Just be content being a regular.

Ibis clan does not get free admin either, Its always fun when james runs in when he has not payed and I get to slap him around for a bit.
Its a community based effort, If you have ever been in one like Boyscouts you have to prove yourself there to to be a leader. You have to PAY for dues and PAY for training in BS and you dont get ANY money back, or time. Ibis is the same sort of deal.

[Assassin]

Uh I never paid dues in my boyscouts and as for the money for trips and stuff we would do things as a communite (like bakesales and what not) to raise...theres no such system here and will lose you a lot of the people who are active and intelligent enough to be clan that simply cannot afford to do so. Granted money is a great incentive as it is an investment...but so is time. I mean if time was money I'm pretty sure even at 5 an hour most of us would be well over the 50k range. Just saying.

~edit Also I do have a very active stock in if IBIS survives...I've been here and this has been my go to servers since I originally found this server over 4 years ago. So try as u might that isn't a reason for this...ughh you just dont care enough.

[StarsMine]

Yes, yes you did pay dues in BS, your parents probably took care of it for you. And you only make so much fundraising in bake sales.
Again clan isnt for the active and intelligent. Its more of a clique, what zero wants out of his clan is support. Thats what they give him.
Im not denying you have not been here a long time, but that does NOT entitle to you to anything other then being respected as a vet.

[inthebutt]

assassin let me point something out to you cause I know you've been here for a very long time. The IBIS clan isn't a popularity contest, fuck more people are more popular on the servers than I am. Yes it may take years to get into IBIS but let me tell you something I was only playing in the IBIS servers for a little over a year before I got accepted into the clan. Did I always have admin?? nope, did I always do the right thing towards making IBIS better? yup.

You have 2 options and they don't require money; A) you actually contribute to the community and I don't mean moneitary wise but actually engage and better the community instead of bitching how you have to spend money to be in a clan or B) GTFO.

Point anything out you want but you realize its not the regs and admins who actually let you in, its the clan that actually lets you in. all these regs and admins posting +1 on a app doesn't mean shit cause its the clan members opinons that matter.

Fuck I had to prove myself to NYS C.O. and DUAL even though whytboiz approved of me. But I did it and I got into clan.

If you don't like what I just said fine, fucking trying to help you but all you wanna do is bitch and whine so I'm gonna let you bitch and whine as someone who isn't in the IBIS clan.

[Carmichal]

Jesus Christ what's with all the birching tonight? Is it a full moon?

[Meltdown]

Why are people so focused on getting into the clan. it's not like the people u hang out aren't already there. U guys make it such an issue while it's not. just chill and enjoy the games they provide for us.

[StarsMine]

A) you actually contribute to the community and I don't mean moneitary wise but actually engage and better the community instead of bitching how you have to spend money to be in a clan

Hell didnt hitman get in for hosting you guys a few BBQs? See better the community with beers and beef

And yea if it was a popularity contest, there is no way in hell I would vote for you ITB, cant stand you.

[Carmichal]

I mean come on... shady and you pretty much are throwing bitch fits cause you didn't get your way. You know who throws fits when they don't get what they want? TODDLERS! The only person you should be pointing your finger at is your self. I lol at shady thinking his is anything but a terrible admin. However I don't know you that much so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However, this has seriously put a bad mark on you for me.

Servers need money to run, and like stars said there's almost no server out there that doesn't make admins pay in some way. So what if you didn't get what you want? Buck up and work harder! Nothing comes easy. An employee can be at a business for twenty years, but if they don't show the drive to push the company further they are stuck.

Don't give that utter bullshit that the clan does nothing, the ones still around, have done more just this month then you have done in your entire stay here.

Check your ego at the door. You can't win everything, you are NOT the shit, and you need to learn your place.

This statement applies to both shady and you. I hope assassin, that you can pull out of this funk.

[Assassin]

[QUOTE=inthebutt;139973 you actually contribute to the community and I don't mean moneitary wise but actually engage and better the community[/QUOTE]

Please tell me what this could be? I've already offered to help Zero with coding. I can't do adminy things obv...What do you want me to do make a bakesale for iBiS? And no I'm not being sarcastic I would love for someone to tell me what else I can do to prove myself.

~Edit and IDB I do make iBiS a better place. I call out hackers and spammers and ask that something be done about them. I constantly have friends who come to this server..some stick around some don't for w/e reason. I obey the rules and tell other new/old/regs/vets players if something constitutes being illegal and bannable or not as they do it so they can learn from there mistakes.