Quote Originally Posted by NLA View Post
And I always thought pump shotgun's ratio was too high, because the damage that can be inflicted to zombies with pump can be in the 400-700 HP range when crouched, so maybe it could decrease from 1.75 to 1.25 or something slightly lower to compensate for the massive damage? idk.
400-700 while crouched..thats noob damage
in the last major update (from at least what i remember) they decreased its range accuracy and increased its damage output to compensate. so they pretty much made it so ct's needed to have balls and fucking good reaction time if they wanted to actually be effective and stay alive using the shotgun (meaning like litterally as close as 1ft away from a zombie if not right on you) - now the average idiot in zm will buy a pump shotty an try to be a badass by sniping with it while obviously getting minimal damage or missing alltogether,. its a high risk weapon and i say a person who gets a legitiment zombie kill with one DESERVES that crappy 1.75 point increase. NOT TO MENTION THAT EVEN AFTER YOU PUT HUNDREDS OF DAMAGE INTO A ZOMBIE WITH A SHOTGUN SOME FAG WITH A SPRAY GUN WILL FINISH OFF THE ZOMBIE AND STEAL YOUR KILL 90% OF THE TIME ANYWAYS

Quote Originally Posted by Chef C Green View Post
Although I agree that pump shotty does do a significant amount of damage, I feel that the automatic weapons are more of an issue. (+ 1 chef) Pump has dropped significantly in effectiveness knock-back against zombies (IMO), but I think Pl@y will have more thoughtful input on that aspect?
i only dissagree to the point of it depends on whos shooting it. one good close ranged blast to the face (if you can manage it) WILL send a zombie flying...unless theyre doing that whole crouchjumping whoreshit, then yeah you might as well just throw your fucking gun at them no matter what kind it is...most of the time at least. - theres my input for u chef.

zero - i suggest lower p90 down to 1.50 / lower zombie tag down to .50 / increase grenade to 5 / ADD THE AWP!!! - everything else looks fine