Next time someone bitches about impalance

[HypeRNT]

If that's true, I question what people were doing. 23 kills via suicide bomber, and none with guns? Also, do you know how you get the "world" kills?

Does /killing yourself with void at enemies spwn =activating its ult count as kills? I guess you can just suicide with it, maybe it was done by people who thought that ult was better then it actually is and tried suiciding all the time while using it for the first time or something.

[Blackmage]

That might explain the into_the_void (such as switching, then killing self to get the race) but suicidebomber is the undead/flame pred ulti. Short of changing race AND team, that wouldn't work at spawn. Granted that WOULD work.

[Sin]

Question... seeing the current trend of the bunnyhopping races getting fucked in the ass, will Jack be getting slowed down, as well?

I remember Succubus being so fucking fun to play when I unlocked her because of her jump speed, then same with Spiderman (never used the gay websling), I'm just worried that Jack's bunnyhop speed will be cut in half soon... and then I will have nothing fun to play.

Any confirmation on this?

[Erdenay]

Can't argue with people not using the ultimate because they feel it isn't useful.

Actually, I'd argue those are the same thing in this case. If you don't know, or care, or want to, or are in a position to use it in it's most powerful, it will work better if you don't use it.

I do use it every now and then, especially when I know I have the element of surprise or when people won't have laces, but as soon as those two are lost, it's much easier to kill without ulti.

Before going into the psychostats things, looking at the things again, I realize, they didn't start counting till 2011-05-13, only a month and a half before Raps, so doesn't show as much as I thought.

I'm not sure what I was trying for that. I probably had some idea when I wrote it, but can't think of it right now. Probably has something to do with the ability for an incredible power increase after death.

Yeah. We've all had our share of misreadings in the past

Well, other than genocide on the fast to level. Faster, yes. Unpopular, but still more popular than raps. Then we run into the problem I mentioned at the start of this section.

No argument here (although I would say that races like genocide, die xonvert and few others are really underplayed and underrated as they're much stronger than most people think (especially Xonvert). And yes, the races that is the most difficult to play and is possibly the weakest won't have that many fans.

Ok, the rest of these? Bunches of 0s removed.

suicidebomber 23 1,269
into_the_void 4 475
hegrenade 1 293

Or better yet, from FP's list:

hegrenade 7 324
into_the_void 4 960
ak47 2 22,540
glock 1 4,305
raiden_thundrbolt 1 2,457
athena_relm 1 2,106
m4a1 1 31,731
scout 1 3,477

Methinks there may be something wrong here. Anyone who knows Psychostats able to clear up this?

And then we have free, which has 1 death. But if you look on the human page, he's killed it twice. Also related: Free's player Name? Rapscallion. He has been on 4 times, 2 games, 2 rounds, 1 map. He's been on for 3 seconds, but the time between the first seen and last seen was 25 seconds. I have no idea what's going on here

I honestly can't explain these any better than the people who tried that before me.

Question... seeing the current trend of the bunnyhopping races getting fucked in the ass, will Jack be getting slowed down, as well?

I remember Succubus being so fucking fun to play when I unlocked her because of her jump speed, then same with Spiderman (never used the gay websling), I'm just worried that Jack's bunnyhop speed will be cut in half soon... and then I will have nothing fun to play.

Any confirmation on this?

As far as I've heard, no... But there's only one person with definite answer.

[HypeRNT]

Question... seeing the current trend of the bunnyhopping races getting fucked in the ass, will Jack be getting slowed down, as well?

I remember Succubus being so fucking fun to play when I unlocked her because of her jump speed, then same with Spiderman (never used the gay websling), I'm just worried that Jack's bunnyhop speed will be cut in half soon... and then I will have nothing fun to play.

Any confirmation on this?

It should get nerfd a little bit, i mean the way it is now you are way to fast covering WAY to much distance with just bunny hopping aswell as it would not be fair to other bunny hopping races, i mean why is jack getting special treatment? Its already strong, if othe races got nerfd for the same skill, so should jack. Its getting to the point were its a little bit out of control like meatspin posted earlier about people going SPWN to SPWN with in seconds into the round which should never really be possible because it takes away from the balance of things, and the way the maps were developed. I really wish that ALL the ults had atleast 5-10 second cooldown right of the bat at the start of the round just to prevent things from happening like insta planting on dolls from T side while ct's are still at spwn, or planting the bomb at a on aztec b4 ct's get to double doors, or holding choke points with flying races like santa were you fly out the window right behind ct spwn... Small things like that can make a big impact on the game, and there really is no reason to have no cooldown for your ULTIMATE skill just for a few seconds anyways, anyone else see a drawback to having a short cd on ults at the start of the round? cuz i dont.

[brett friggin favre]

jack was nerfed after initial release (it was wayyyy too fast, could get across d2 n 2-3 hops, faster than spidey with web shooter), there was an error in the coding somewhere and zero fixed it to try to capture the exact same movement speed as the old server. that caused the spidey slow and also slowed jack from what it was when it was first implemented in the new server. won't get nerfed again. i think the issue had to do with how their base speed (increased by skills in jack and spidey) was applied to the bhop skills, and since succy doesn't have any speed increase, it wasn't affected but i could be wrong.

[Sin]

Succubus used to be fast as shit. That's what I used to use. I just noticed a trend with the bhopping races getting spanked in speed, I just don't want it to happen to Jack, too. Honestly, those races are the only reason I play WCS. lol BHopping + shooting everyone is just too fun!

Plus, the way I see it, if the Faga's and Santa can move quickly in the air, there should be a race or two that can match them in speed on the ground, but not runspeed... that's just boring.

[brett friggin favre]

Succubus used to be fast as shit. That's what I used to use. I just noticed a trend with the bhopping races getting spanked in speed, I just don't want it to happen to Jack, too. Honestly, those races are the only reason I play WCS. lol BHopping + shooting everyone is just too fun!

Plus, the way I see it, if the Faga's and Santa can move quickly in the air, there should be a race or two that can match them in speed on the ground, but not runspeed... that's just boring.

i don't think there will be any more speed nerfs, as my understanding is this is how it was on the old server. however if succy was affected by the nerf that happened, i think that should be looked into. there was a lot of talk before about spidey and jack being tooooo fast, but nobody ever complained about succy. as i said i think the fix was intended to correct values for those long jump skills that are affected by run speed enhancing skills, so if it also hit succy then that doesn't seem right.

[Erdenay]

i don't think there will be any more speed nerfs, as my understanding is this is how it was on the old server. however if succy was affected by the nerf that happened, i think that should be looked into. there was a lot of talk before about spidey and jack being tooooo fast, but nobody ever complained about succy. as i said i think the fix was intended to correct values for those long jump skills that are affected by run speed enhancing skills, so if it also hit succy then that doesn't seem right.

I've played a little with it and it seemed like it was completely destroyed... I'm all up for looking into this if that was not intended as it pretty much killed the race.

[Sin]

Succubus got hit a long time ago. Not recently.