Next time someone bitches about impalance

[Erdenay]

I would say that there are only 2 races that are not balanced - rapscalion who is under-powered and human who is over-powered.

[maynard]

rapscalion who is under-powered

Rap isn't under powered. 90% of people just don't know how to properly play it lol.

[Masskid]

Rap isn't under powered. 90% of people just don't know how to properly play it lol.

agreed

[Erdenay]

Rap isn't under powered. 90% of people just don't know how to properly play it lol.

I can be a pretty decent raps and I've seen people do well with them, but the ultimate glitch when it shows you use it through the walls fucks it up big time - any good player as soon as they see that can easily kill raps 9 times out of 10. If that would be fixed, I would probably agree with you there (maybe increasing crit chances wouldn't hurt either), but inability to properly hide with ultimate along with you being a 40th level easy target does make it under-powered.

imo, spiderman was the only broken race, but I hear it already got nerfed. human is only overpowered in the sense that bash glitches your crosshair, which im pretty sure was not the intended effect.

Spider wasn't over-powered - good humans can kill them any day. A good player with max human + weapon + lace + health + helm = almost impossible to kill. I've seen it in countless of times of how max humans can clutch in situations any other race would probably be destroyed easily. Don't get me wrong - I'm not complaining and I have no problems with it just like I'm fine with all the other races in our server... But human is definitely over-powered.

[maynard]

I can be a pretty decent raps and I've seen people do well with them, but the ultimate glitch when it shows you use it through the walls fucks it up big time - any good player as soon as they see that can easily kill raps 9 times out of 10. If that would be fixed, I would probably agree with you there (maybe increasing crit chances wouldn't hurt either), but inability to properly hide with ultimate along with you being a 40th level easy target does make it under-powered.

see this is proof that you're part of the 90% of people who clearly don't know how 2 play it...

Rap is not an offensive race, it a support/defensive race... it rapes by falling back, and waiting for the right moment 2 strike/ambush. if you go on the offensive with Rap, you're not going 2 have an overly fun time.

The entire point of Rap is 2 ambush the enemy... just because Rap isn't as hardcore or good or as easy as the other knife classes, does not mean that it's under powered. Rap is designed 2 serve a very specific role.... most choose 2 not play that role and play the race the complete opposite way it's meant 2 be played... and then wonder why they are having a shitty time.

[Akoiah]

yea well human is custom made for camping. of course it's gonna be good.

[Erdenay]

see this is proof that you're part of the 90% of people who clearly don't know how 2 play it...

Rap is not an offensive race, it a support/defensive race... it rapes by falling back, and waiting for the right moment 2 strike/ambush. if you go on the offensive with Rap, you're not going 2 have an overly fun time.

The entire point of Rap is 2 ambush the enemy... just because Rap isn't as hardcore or good or as easy as the other knife classes, does not mean that it's under powered. Rap is designed 2 serve a very specific role.... most choose 2 not play that role and play the race the complete opposite way it's meant 2 be played... and then wonder why they are having a shitty time.

Trust me, I'm not playing offensively - I normally camp around the objective, but on some maps they can easily spot you even if you go straight to a place and use your ultimate. Furthermore, if they have a lace and they're at least decent, you're fucked most of the time.

[HypeRNT]

have yet to see a rap being played well on any map by anyone. Have yet to see SOMEONE play rap, the race is underplayed and pretty useless period, anyone that would even argue this clearly doesn't play enough on the server or is thinking of a different race.

[Erdenay]

have yet to see a rap being played well on any map by anyone. Have yet to see SOMEONE play rap, the race is underplayed and pretty useless period, anyone that would even argue this clearly doesn't play enough on the server or is thinking of a different race.

I have seen masskid going 18-2 day before yesterday. Granted it was in a stacked team against mostly noobs, but it still proves it can be played well. However, I can say that I have yet to see rapscalion do something like that against really good teams or stacked teams.

Stop using your ultimate at ground level, if you're going to tell me that the other team is going to advance down pathways at the start of a round looking at the sky trying to find you... I just don't know what to say.

There are only a few outcomes to this:
1.) You're repeating your tactic by going to the same spot (your fault)
2.) You're advancing too far and they saw your ultimate through a wall (your fault)

When you say you "normally camp the objective" that leads me to believe you chose option 1. A solution to this is to hide in the air on a path to the objective rather than at the objective and vary your travel distance each round. When you ambush someone, you do it before they get to their destination, not after.

Trust me, I do these things most of the time. The only thing that I'm sometimes guilty of would be #2, but even that is fairly rare. I never stay on the ground level when I don't have to, but since rap is easy to kill and really easy to counter, if they know the team has a raps, most of the time they will search for it due to easy and high xp (compared to other classes). I never, ever go to the same spot with raps if that's the same as I did last round - I sometimes stay within the rage ~ 50 - 100 feet, but same spot - that's just suicide.

I'm not saying this race can't be played well - I've had very good scores with it too (20-3 is one instance I remember), but that still does not prove it's not underpowered. In fact, I find myself normally doing better if I don't use the ultimate (or barely use it) as it normally gives better chances to do well.

rap isn't underpowered, however it is easily countered by skill, awareness, and anticipation. it takes a sharp mind and a good eye for hiding spots to be successful with it. you have to anticipate where the enemy's going to go, where they're going to look, how many there will be, and you need to be somewhere they won't look and that has an easily accessible exit route.

Exactly... And still with even these skills it's very difficult to do well against normal teams (I'm not talking about raping noobs).

Who r these *number of people* that you are speaking of? first of all, i havent seen u or half the peopel that posted in this thread playing in the server or even using the race, second, the race is way underpowered, it has a high level requirement for some odd reason, a crit blade that basically never crits, and an ult that reveals your position thru walls*lawl* now you can say as much as you want about how AWESOME this race is and how you just need to be "GOOD" and "SMART" to play it, but at the end of the day, the race is the weakest of the knife races, and the weakest race in the server period, and this is shown by peoples kdr and lack of playing time with it.

I believe it's Wolf is the main one. There are a few. Cyber might have been another. If Spasm wasn't I'd be surprised. I can go positive with it. Problem is, if I wanted to play a defensive class, I'd play Human. Being a defensive class, most people won't play it, because most people on our server are heavy offensive, and we have a plethora of those, including other knife races. If they want to knife, there are around six gun races that can knife with the best, as well as the other knife races being offensive as well.

I don't pay attention to many players who play a variety of races, I just know people who are good at the game.

The crit is quite powerful. I'd prefer if it was x4 instead of only x3, but x3 one hits most races, even if they have periapt of health.

As for power, it is comparable to flame pred. Same speed, an alternate camouflage ability. His damage ability kills, Preds slows. Weapon Drop and Full invisibility both are special abilities. You just need to play the race correctly. Flame pred requires approaching them, Raps waits for the approach. Weakest depends on what you mean. Pano is similarly "weak". Shadow of the Void is a gimmick race. Warden is easily shut down. Low KDR and lack of play is due to people not wanting to play/learn it. It's actually been played almost 16 hours the past two days.

THE ULTIMATE IS NOT MEANT TO BE SPAMMED! YOU USE IT TO GET INTO POSITION WHEN NO ONE IS AROUND! As such, the fact that it is visible through walls is something that requires it to be played right, something we could use for another race *cough*. Another point: this can be used to bait.

As for "seeing us", you play between 8:00 and 22:00. I play between 23:00 and 4:00, with a few exceptions, and have very limited weekend play time. In fact, my 16 hours the past week beats your 12. Then, Stars plays 22:00-6:00. We just don't play at the same time. Brett and Chikun haven't played much in the past couple weeks, however. BTW: You Me Stars On the other hand, if you just don't remember playing with, you've just forgotten, I've played with you a number of times in the past.

Well, I've not seen wolf actually own with that race... Or he was doing bad. Cyber? No. There have been only 2 people in the server that I've actually seen do really well in the server with this race - masskid and Brett. However, even then when they owned, they really didn't play against a really good opposition... When they did, they did not do that well... Have I seen them with positive kdr against decent opposition? Yes. Have I done it? Yes. Have few others done it? Yes. That's not the point though - the thing that I'm trying to point out that this race is just not as good as other races in the server. You can still do well with rapscalion - and some people do that, but for amount of levels it requires and for the skills it gives back compared to other races in wcs, it just doesn't stand on it's own.

Please understand me - I'm not actually saying that it's impossible to do well with this race: that would be nonsense. I am neither petitioning for a change as I know that will not happen. I do, however, try to point out that while Ibis wcs server is balanced fairly well, there are races which are underpowered or overpowered and just don't really add anything to the balance.

[Chikun]

Trust me, I'm not playing offensively - I normally camp around the objective, but on some maps they can easily spot you even if you go straight to a place and use your ultimate. Furthermore, if they have a lace and they're at least decent, you're fucked most of the time.

Stop using your ultimate at ground level, if you're going to tell me that the other team is going to advance down pathways at the start of a round looking at the sky trying to find you... I just don't know what to say.

There are only a few outcomes to this:
1.) You're repeating your tactic by going to the same spot (your fault)
2.) You're advancing too far and they saw your ultimate through a wall (your fault)

When you say you "normally camp the objective" that leads me to believe you chose option 1. A solution to this is to hide in the air on a path to the objective rather than at the objective and vary your travel distance each round. When you ambush someone, you do it before they get to their destination, not after.

have yet to see a rap being played well on any map by anyone. Have yet to see SOMEONE play rap, the race is underplayed and pretty useless period, anyone that would even argue this clearly doesn't play enough on the server or is thinking of a different race.

You are beyond saving with logic. I'm sorry, I'm so, so, sorry.