Vegas Upper window

[Dj panda]

Its exploiting the map in my book but i cant enforce it since there is no ruling on it :/

[acolyte_to_jippity]

you must be visible and shootable at all times. being somewhat hard to see is not illegal. as long as people stay fairly close to the window, then there's no rule against it. it is not allowed to be out of sight of an area vanillia players would be able to access.

[blackmail242]

Issue with this would be that if you enforce this then that makes way for enforcing no skybox walking with classes such as hell hunter which basically meant to walk on top of such maps. It starts with vegas and moves on to other maps like dust and so forth. Truth be told there are enough flying races to get you into the window on vegas and on top of that you have several races that will let you teleport in and destroy your opponent.

[Chikun]

3. Sky walking is permitted provided you’re in a spot that the opposing team can shoot back at. Going under the map, or to any place that allows you to see the enemy, but grants them 0 vision of you is not permitted unless you're passing through the area to get some where else.

Seeing as how there's no where to go and you can patiently wait knowing no one can see you I could see the argument against this spot, as awesome as it is.

[Chef C Green]

I could see the argument against this spot, as awesome as it is.

Yes, but you're not shooting players THROUGH the floor, you still have to peek over the edge of the balcony right? As Blackmail mentioned, there are over half a dozen classes that have the capability to get from the door way to there. If you're falling for them camping there round, after round, after round, that's you're fault... There are other paths to take, as well as the option to fly up there (or near there with a vaga) and check it for your team. Plus how often do we play vegas anyway...?

[Chikun]

Yes, but you're not shooting players THROUGH the floor, you still have to peek over the edge of the balcony right? As Blackmail mentioned, there are over half a dozen classes that have the capability to get from the door way to there. If you're falling for them camping there round, after round, after round, that's you're fault... There are other paths to take, as well as the option to fly up there (or near there with a vaga) and check it for your team. Plus how often do we play vegas anyway...?

The rule which I quoted in its entirety states that its against the rules to go to areas on the map that allow you to see the enemy through things the opposing player cannot unless you are "just passing through". It does specify shooting but it also implies that simply being able to see the enemy through walls when you aren't "just passing through" is also illegal.

[CYBER]

Hiding there is fine, even is completely invisible. The ONLY thing that matters is that you cannot SHOOT an enemy through wall or floor since they cant see u or shoot back. U hAve to PEEK out to kill someone. And that's where the other guy has a chance to wait for that peek and retaliate. If u are too dumb not to check that spot likee u would for skywlkers above bombsites on dust2, then u suck. its the same euling as hell hunter, perfectly fine as long as theyr have to be visible when they SHOOT u. Also, u can plant elsewhere or change race to human and tele to them wvery round when not expecting... Force them out... Even better, go shadow hunter and go to the bombsite feom the bottom elevetator-window thing with the zipline across and ward the living fuck under that upper window without touching bombsite obviously. U can either kill them with wards, or hear their damage and know to expect someone there... Thats what i do, works for me.

[HypeRNT]

Yes, but you're not shooting players THROUGH the floor, you still have to peek over the edge of the balcony right? As Blackmail mentioned, there are over half a dozen classes that have the capability to get from the door way to there. If you're falling for them camping there round, after round, after round, that's you're fault... There are other paths to take, as well as the option to fly up there (or near there with a vaga) and check it for your team. Plus how often do we play vegas anyway...?

It really shouldn't matter how many times the map is played or who is camping round after round, the point is you are exploiting a piece of the map that was not meant to be used that way which is illegal/glitching and therefor should not be allowed, pretty simple.

Just because you cant shoot through there should not mean its ok. If a person with wallhacks came in and said, well i wasn't shooting thru the wall, even tho i can see every1 i ran up to them with a huge advantage knowing were they are at without them knowing were im at...

You can peak,then shoot, and it will be the same shit because you have an advantage that the other player does not, which is illegal exploit, this is pretty simple of a glitch.

[Akoiah]

I never understood why the area above the cs_italy tunnel is not against the rules. Obviously the person camping up there can see through the ceiling, but the players below cannot see up through the roof. I realize the rule is, if you can see them it is fair game. But the person up top ALWAYS takes cover and reloads behind the invisible roof, allowing them to safely reload and keep an eye on the players below, which i'm pretty sure is against the rules since you cannot go anywhere where people cannot see you. Anyone want to clear this up for me? I've seen admins do it.

edit: just read the link blackmage posted. is that really the rule? i've had multiple different admins tell me you cannot hide where other people cannot see you