Balancing weapons.

[Bane of Soldiers]

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, but if it's what I think it is, I would disagree with implementing this kind of idea.
Are you suggesting that fast firing weapon proc %s to be nerfed, or that the proc % of slow firing weapons be raised? Or both...?


The way I see it, shouldn't switching weapons be a tradeoff? Sacrifice range, damage dealt, costs, recoil, accuracy, firing rate, ammo size, convenience, preference, weapon weight, etc., all depending on what weapon you want to use? Whatever weapon you choose, it should be accounted that you are sacrificing something when you decide to use one weapon over another. This includes the firing rate; the possibility of that weapon to proc a certain skill, in my opinion, should be no different. This should also come into mind when you're selecting your race -- the weapon restrictions and proc percentages should all come into mind. WCS does like to keep strategy in mind.


I think I'm still missing what you're suggesting, but meh >_<? But correct me if I'm wrong o.O?

[Blackmage]

Can you PM an example of a server where it was done? I want to see it in practice. Do you know of the numbers behind it for a server it worked well in?

As it stands, it looks like an alternate percentage idea. I can see it working in some instances, some where it will be worse than "by bullet", either by working too often, or being too random.

[LogaN]

Can you PM an example of a server where it was done? I want to see it in practice. Do you know of the numbers behind it for a server it worked well in?

As it stands, it looks like an alternate percentage idea. I can see it working in some instances, some where it will be worse than "by bullet", either by working too often, or being too random.

Well the only server i know that had this no longer exists. The server was hosted by TeacherCreature and Koshy, if you use the wcs or war3source forums you but me able to contact them...

[What]

[QUOTE=LogaN;144628]Thats the way it works in real life but not ingame. If it was the same thing ingame when you shoot at someone near you it would proc a skill almost always and it doesn't. You can check this easliy you just need to shoot at someone near you once, then when you die you'll see that it only counts 1 hit.

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actually no, in game a human or spider with a pump will get their bash off the vast majority of the time, hence some players being tools and flying around with spidy and a pump. The prco right is definitly higher with the pump.

[brett friggin favre]

so let's make tmp = p90 = m4 = ak = aug = shotty

aaaaand take half the game away. fuckin genius.

[LogaN]

The way I see it, shouldn't switching weapons be a tradeoff? Sacrifice range, damage dealt, costs, accuracy, firing rate, ammo size, convenience, preference, weapon weight, etc., all depending on what weapon you want to use? Whatever weapon you choose, it should be accounted that you are sacrificing something when you decide to use one weapon over another. This includes the firing rate; the possibility of that weapon to proc a certain skill, in my opinion, should be no different. This should also come into mind when you're selecting your race -- the weapon restrictions and proc percentages should all come into mind. WCS does like to keep strategy in mind.

You should pick the weapon you like the one its better for the map or the situacion you are on. Not the one that gives you more procs.
The way it is even from afar a p90 can be better than a scout because it procs alot more so you will do more dmg.

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so let's make tmp = p90 = m4 = ak = aug = shotty

aaaaand take half the game away. fuckin genius.

Get a brain and read again. The way it is tmp its better than m4 or ak even from far away when it shouldn't.

[What]

You should pick the weapon you like the one its better for the map or the situacion you are on. Not the one that gives you more procs.
The way it is even from afar a p90 can be better than a scout because it procs alot more so you will do more dmg.

Yeah, and if your anebula running down a hall thats great for you, but if a human with an m4 is at a distance, your toast. Its called, different weapons are better in different situations. Its freaken WCS, so in this cas the situations include what race you are.

[Blackmage]

The way I see it, this would be very finicky, as well as somewhat counter intuitive. Do you have any idea how this would be coded? Or some math behind it? Is this a function of shots hit over the time it takes to hit? It also seems VERY abusable. Once he procs, vaga hides until such time that he can proc again. Or if you don't hit in X-1 time, you know your next hit WILL hit, so you change your target.

Can you clear up any of these concerns?

[SCRIBBLE]

The weapons are balanced for competitive gameplay. This is a competitive server.

Strategy.

[LogaN]

Yeah, and if your anebula running down a hall thats great for you, but if a human with an m4 is at a distance, your toast. Its called, different weapons are better in different situations. Its freaken WCS, so in this cas the situations include what race you are.

A player playing human with a tmp it's better than one with m4 because your target will be bashed more often if you know how to control the recoil well.

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The weapons are balanced for competitive gameplay. This is a competitive server.

Strategy.

In a normal server they are. The way the proc rate works here they arent.