OCCUPY gets out of hand

[elpolloloco]

haven't you made mistakes at your job?

If I did it deliberately with intent to injure, then it wouldn't be a mistake, now would it?

[brett friggin favre]

If I did it deliberately with intent to injure, then it wouldn't be a mistake, now would it?

yes it would be. not an "oopsie" mistake, an "i overreacted" mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. also note that flashbangs, while capabilities of causing injury, are intended to disorient, and nothing more. it is a non-lethal form of crowd control, and as i stated before, the protesters were also lobbing things at the cops (with intent to injure?)

[elpolloloco]

the protesters were also lobbing things at the cops (with intent to injure?)

Some were, yes. This group wasn't even looking at the cops and the cop that threw it had a front row view of this. He could see that NONE of these guys presented any immediate harm. Throw a flash bang at the guy throwing a rock. Throw some smoke next to the group that was trying to help. But when you see that your "OOPSIE" did serious injury to someone that caused the fuckin' guy to lay there BLEEDING FROM THE SKULL 3 feet away from you and you do it again, with EVEN MORE direct intent, that's just fuckin' retarded.

I know neither one of us are going to sway the other, but if this guy was so stupid that he didn't know that lobbing a flash bang in someone's face would do serious injury and couldn't figure it out after the guy RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM got hit in the face and laid on the crowd bleeding from the head, he needs to have his balls stapled to the wall.

And this opinion is coming from a conservative guy here who thinks the "Occupiers" are a bunch of smelly hippies. And think about this. The guy that was on the ground was obviously injured. And he threw a flash band just 1 foot from a man that was already bleeding from the skull.

Let me repeat that: The COP.... threw a flashbang, 1 foot away... from a guy... that was BLEEDING.... from the skull, man that was a few FEET from the cop that he could see.

And let me ask you this: Since now you seem to be arguing more about how big of a mistake it was, it looks like you are indeed admitting it was a mistake. So you're essentially admitting that what the cop did was wrong then, right? We're just arguing about HOW wrong?

[brett friggin favre]

i wouldn't say arguing, i'd say bantering. i'm saying from what i can see, it appears to me that a mistake has been made. however i don't know what happened before this, incident, so i can't say for sure. but really the person wasn't injured as bad as it seems. from what i know about flashbangs, it was a minor facial laceration combined with disorientation (temporary blindness, ears ringing, etc.) now if the guy had a huge gash in his head, blood spewing from his eyeballs, and was unconscious, then yes this would be a huge deal. in all likelihood though he may have to wear a band-aid for a few days, but again i can't say for sure cuz i don't know what happened after this. the second flash does seem unnecessary, but riots are very confusing times and it's difficult to think clearly. i'm just trying to give the cop benefit of the doubt because i know a lot of cops and none have any intent of harming anyone in their community. yes it could be a retarded nasty cop, like percy in the green mile, but i'm gonna give the guy the benefit of the doubt here. just my personal opinion, not saying i'm right or wrong, just that based on the evidence at hand and on my own personal experience, that's how i feel.

[elpolloloco]

i wouldn't say arguing, i'd say bantering. i'm saying from what i can see, it appears to me that a mistake has been made. however i don't know what happened before this, incident, so i can't say for sure. but really the person wasn't injured as bad as it seems. from what i know about flashbangs, it was a minor facial laceration combined with disorientation (temporary blindness, ears ringing, etc.) now if the guy had a huge gash in his head, blood spewing from his eyeballs, and was unconscious, then yes this would be a huge deal. in all likelihood though he may have to wear a band-aid for a few days, but again i can't say for sure cuz i don't know what happened after this. the second flash does seem unnecessary, but riots are very confusing times and it's difficult to think clearly. i'm just trying to give the cop benefit of the doubt because i know a lot of cops and none have any intent of harming anyone in their community. yes it could be a retarded nasty cop, like percy in the green mile, but i'm gonna give the guy the benefit of the doubt here. just my personal opinion, not saying i'm right or wrong, just that based on the evidence at hand and on my own personal experience, that's how i feel.

Well that's about as close as we're going to get on the subject and I respect your opinion. I just dont' trust a lot of cops, especially Oakland cops. The people of Oakland shouldn't have much cause for trusting them either. They're involved in countless court cases right now about abusing their powers and one was even found guilty of straight up murder earlier this year.

Plus I don't live too far from the University of Maryland. Every other year or so there's a basketball riot, the last one being due to us beating Duke. I had a friend was was running around and got shot in the face with a rubber bullet. Even *I* admit that he got what he deserved. But I've also seen tons of abuse during these riots as well. Anyone from th DC area can tell ya about an incident going on right now a high profile beat down that happened during that last duke riot. A man got a severe beat down by about 3-4 cops with batons. The cops claimed he attacked them first. Which is funny, because the next day, video emerged on youtube of the incident which show the guys literally SKIPPING down the sidewalk, stopping about 10 feet away from a few horseback cops. A few words exchanged and the man didn't do so much as even flip a cop off and they jumped off their horses and bashed his brains in. Even after the video went viral on youtube the official word was that he made the first gesture and it wasn't until the local news grabbed the video and showed it that the PG county cops had to eat their words.

I just don't trust cops. They LIE just as much, if not more than your average citizen.

Anyone who witness shit like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPwyodTkYA would have just as much reason to be pissed off at cops

[Rosie]

the trouble with this is that guy got injured in someway not associated to the flashbang. We see a 15 second clip that shows him already on the ground, but what if it was 4 or 5 gusy who were whipping his ass. When the crowd rushes back in who is to say one of those guys didn't come to finnish the job he started. I have used flashbangs quite a bit, and they are only about a half a pound. A head injury like that doesn't come from a flashbang. Just saying.

the trouble with the video is that it is posted by Occupy. Therfore it is propoganda related to enforce their cause. You do not see what happened for the 5 minutes prior to the crowd being dispearsed.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

the trouble with this is that guy got injured in someway not associated to the flashbang. We see a 15 second clip that shows him already on the ground, but what if it was 4 or 5 gusy who were whipping his ass. When the crowd rushes back in who is to say one of those guys didn't come to finnish the job he started. I have used flashbangs quite a bit, and they are only about a half a pound. A head injury like that doesn't come from a flashbang. Just saying.

the trouble with the video is that it is posted by Occupy. Therfore it is propoganda related to enforce their cause. You do not see what happened for the 5 minutes prior to the crowd being dispearsed.

this.

fucking, this.

[elpolloloco]

the trouble with the video is that it is posted by Occupy. Therfore it is propoganda related to enforce their cause. You do not see what happened for the 5 minutes prior to the crowd being dispearsed.

This is true. In a court of law, nothing would come of this because you can't conclusively say what caused the dude to be on the ground.

You're right about the propaganda, though. I mean, there's all this uproar about this "IRAQ VET that got HURT". What does his veteran status have ANYTHING to do with that other than to just conjure up emotions in the readers. The first thing I thought when I read that headline was "WHO THE F&K cares if he was a vet. That has NOTHING to do with this. The cops didn't know he was a vet. Being a vet doesn't give his opinion on an economic protest any more weight." Ya know?

I think it's more likely he got hit with a tear gas canister which is probably way heavier, than having got his add beat. If someone got his ass beat right in front of a cop, you'd think the cops would have stepped up and stopped it.

But then again, you're right. However, if he had gotten hit in the head with a tear gas canister RIGHT in front of the cops so they could see it, don't you think the flash bang was a bit uncalled for? He already had a head injury. What if that thing had exploded right in his face.

I think it's very important for people to document these protests on video. There are plenty of cops out there that love abusing power and being in a situation like this gives them carte blanche (sp?) sometimes to live out their violent fantasies. I just wish someone had captures a few different angles of this.