Punishment Park (Film)

[anex]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Punishment_park.jpg

(1971)

"Punishment Park" is a pseudo-documentary purporting to be a film crews's news coverage of the team of soldiers escorting a group of hippies, draft dodgers, and anti-establishment types across the desert in a type of capture the flag game. The soldiers vow not to interfere with the rebels' progress and merely shepherd them along to their destination. At that point, having obtained their goal, they will be released. The film crew's coverage is meant to insure that the military's intentions are honorable. As the representatives of the 60's counter-culture get nearer to passing this arbitrary test, the soldiers become increasingly hostile, attempting to force the hippies out of their pacifist behavior.

LINK ---> http://www.movshare.net/video/6jmjy55bfgfcu

I just got done watching this and thought it was a fantastic film. Some of you might find this film boring, but the point of the film is about police brutality and brainwashed hypocrites who would intentionally turn against a fellow American for conflicting beliefs. To me it is remarkable in present day America, stuff like this happens. Anti-war protesters portrayed as "anti-American" "anti-establishment "hippies" "druggies." This is a fictional story but events in this film are being applied in real world scenarios, such as courtrooms and police officers who think that they are above the law.

This film really made me think and I hope you guys become more consciously aware rather than the ignorant bystander who thinks that this could never happen in America.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

There is no such thing as police brutality.

[anex]

There is no such thing as police brutality.


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Ya, theres no such thing.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

This what happens when people don't comply to commands given by a law enforcement officer. Steps to avoiding a ass whippin' is simple.
Liberal scum are always trying to make a quick buck on the same people who protect them from the scum of society.

[anex]

So because someone didn't listen to an officer, that gives that officer the right to point a gun at them and threaten to shoot, beat them with a riot stick, or shoot them with a tazer?

If you think there is no such thing as Police Brutality, then you fail at history and observing the world around you.. :[

Edit: Those "Liberal Scum" are people trying to get America into the 21st century. But hey, if you want to believe that we are trying to make a "quick buck" after suing police departments for unlawful assaults on citizens, then I guess that makes us horrible people. God I am glad I do not live in New York.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

How about being in the shoes of a law enforcement officer and work for a few years and see if you feel the same as before.
You don't know anything until your out there risking your life every single day you put on that uniform.
As for now go march with your gay pink anti-cop banners.

[anex]

Anti-cop? Oh now your just putting words in my mouth. I'm not against Cops. I am against the actions that they display. I do not care if you risk your life everyday, that does NOT give you the right to hurt innocent civilians and trample over their rights as Americans.

If you had better comprehension skills, maybe you would have been able to infer that... but hey, who really cares right?

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

Judging from a guy who praises alcohol....ummm yeah.

[anex]

What does my drinking on the weekends have to do with what we are talking about?

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

What does my drinking on the weekends have to do with what we are talking about?

Judgment...

[loka]

Not for nothing, but there is police brutality. I've been warned by local and state police officers to watch for "rogue" cops. They are there. I don't care what you try to defend. I stand by the thin blue line, but some of the actions certain police officers make are disturbing.

When I did an internship at my local PD, one particular P.O. hated minorities. I live in town where the average income of the household stands at 100k+ with a minority of about 90% white 10% other. I am Puerto Rican so I fit in that 10%. This one P.O. bitched to me for an hour how Hispanics are lazy, he pulls over Black/Hispanic drivers that come into the town because he feels they don't belong in this rich town and they will drive down the town. Racial profiling is just as bad, and fits with police brutality. Well, I told that certain P.O. that not every minority thinks police officers are scum of the Earth. He called me a no good punk. Apparently the Sgt. heard him and he got suspended without pay while they investigated him.

He had a history of abusing his powers, and when the Sgt. told me about it he asked me if he made any racial/sexist comments to me. Because I stand by that blue line I said no. They all ignore it, but this guy was a dick. Since then I heard he works security. So to each his own and their own discretion of how to treat a person.

Anex, police brutality is touchy with anyone in law enforcement. I wrote a paper on the Rodney King case for my police supervision class, and its tough, but most good police officers will agree it happens. But it's part of the job whether to live or die in risky situations.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

Not for nothing, but there is police brutality. I've been warned by local and state police officers to watch for "rogue" cops. They are there. I don't care what you try to defend. I stand by the thin blue line, but some of the actions certain police officers make are disturbing.

When I did an internship at my local PD, one particular P.O. hated minorities. I live in town where the average income of the household stands at 100k+ with a minority of about 90% white 10% other. I am Puerto Rican so I fit in that 10%. This one P.O. bitched to me for an hour how Hispanics are lazy, he pulls over Black/Hispanic drivers that come into the town because he feels they don't belong in this rich town and they will drive down the town. Racial profiling is just as bad, and fits with police brutality. Well, I told that certain P.O. that not every minority thinks police officers are scum of the Earth. He called me a no good punk. Apparently the Sgt. heard him and he got suspended without pay while they investigated him.

He had a history of abusing his powers, and when the Sgt. told me about it he asked me if he made any racial/sexist comments to me. Because I stand by that blue line I said no. They all ignore it, but this guy was a dick. Since then I heard he works security. So to each his own and their own discretion of how to treat a person.

Anex, police brutality is touchy with anyone in law enforcement. I wrote a paper on the Rodney King case for my police supervision class, and its tough, but most good police officers will agree it happens. But it's part of the job whether to live or die in risky situations.

You're right in some sense. There are bad apples in every job. That doesn't make the right to condemn the whole force.
I too am a minority but I do appear to look white. I surprised my colleagues at work when I transferred over to my home facility in staten island. They had no idea I was hispanic. Did they change their views on me ? Not at all. I guess I showed in the beginning that I'm not some lazy bastard complaining on people getting better jobs than me. I was given a job at a particular post and never complained.
As for those results....I get to work in my favorite part of the facility. THE BOX !

Does racism still exist ? You betcha, but it exists everywhere. Does Police Brutality exist ? If u wanna point out at a few..now im stressing few because there are 10000000's of law enforcement officers in the nation. Try and sum up a ratio to that.
If you as a person would like to condemn law enforcement due to some very few bad apples.
Guess what. GO fuck yourself.

[loka]

I'm not condemning law enforcement. Like I said it happens. Those apples shine through like a bald guys head. I just don't appreciate those bad apples making a name for the entire police force. (but we both know media/public reaction will always be the stigma on how they view a few bad apples to all the brave men and women who risk their lives to protect and serve the right way)

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

I'm not condemning law enforcement. Like I said it happens. Those apples shine through like a bald guys head. I just don't appreciate those bad apples making a name for the entire police force. (but we both know media/public reaction will always be the stigma on how they view a few bad apples to all the brave men and women who risk their lives to protect and serve the right way)

I didn't say you were. I agree with you all the way. :wtg:

[loka]

lol sorry. i'm sleepy

[Sin]

I <3 Super Troopers.

[loka]

I <3 Super Troopers.

can i slap you with a cookie plz?

[anex]

Alright NYS lets go back through the posts that we have both written. Lets do a recap since you fucking fail at reading and understanding.

First of all let me say that the point of this thread was
1. Americans turning on each other for believing in different ideal
2. People being discriminated against for their opinions.
3. Police and Military using the excuse "I felt my life was in danger" to be overly aggressive with innocent unarmed citizens.
4. Our rights in this country are being slowly taken away from us.

(Had to clarify because NYS has the reading level of a first grader)

You say there is no police brutality.

I show examples of it.

You try to defend the "bad apples" by saying this is what happens when you don't comply. (Condoning Police State ideals.) You then insult me by calling me liberal scum.

I try to point out that it doesn't give that officer the right to be overly aggressive with that individual.

You try to defend basically saying that if you wear the uniform for plus years that gives you the right to trample on citizens humans rights, then another insult.

I then say risking your life or not that doesn't give you the right to do what a lot of cops do.

Then you just hurl insults and try to discredit me because I drink on the weekends.

NYS you fail at reading and comprehending. You missed the whole entire POINT of what I was trying to say. When I bring up points you just sit there and insult me. That's what a child does. How about this, you start using logical rebuttals and get on the interesting topic that this thread was supposed to be about.

EDIT: @ Loka

There are good cops out there and I love law enforcement when they do their job. Its not an easy job especially in the west with all the gangs. Ill say this, if their lives are in danger and the person they are after has a gun then that's probable reason for hostility. However there becomes a point in which at peaceful protests and other various situations that cops use that "live or die" excuse to be abusive. When politics intervene and police are asked to do unconstitutional things.

"But it's part of the job whether to live or die in risky situations"

All of the examples that I have showed, none of those cops lives where in Jeopardy.

[Christmas]

Hey Anex, you think 9/11 was an inside job?


Seriously though, there are cops that are brutal. Would you like to dedicate a documentary to show people that the Pope is Catholic too?

[anex]

I think if you pick up a history book and read about the Nazis, Communism in Russia and China, you could guess my position on the subject. History repeats itself.

Hey dude guess whats going on this weekend in Germany? There is a 9/11 truth movement here and they are conducting a protest outside the United States embassy here. You know that the majority of other countries think 9/11 was an inside job? You know why? Because the same shit happened in their countries 60 to 70 years ago.

Christmas you need to stop watching Bill Oreilly and Sean Hannity. :[

[Christmas]

I think if you pick up a history book and read about the Nazis, Communism in Russia and China, you could guess my position on the subject. History repeats itself.

Hey dude guess whats going on this weekend in Germany? There is a 9/11 truth movement here and they are conducting a protest outside the United States embassy here. You know that the majority of other countries think 9/11 was an inside job? You know why? Because the same shit happened in their countries 60 to 70 years ago.

Christmas you need to stop watching Bill Oreilly and Sean Hannity. :[

Oh dear god please tell me you are kidding.

[walterbrunswick]

Oh dear god please tell me you are kidding.

Do you think 9/11 was NOT an inside job?

Please God tell me YOU are kidding...

[anex]

Oh dear god please tell me you are kidding.

Do you know the history of the world or do I have quote it for you? Government doesn't care about you. Never has never will. They only want more power.

Take a look at Bush. Saddam Hussein, who was the dictator in the middle east and had dominance over oil, was wanting to start trading in Euros. Just like if China was to start trading in another currency, would help ruin the dollar as is stood. He saw the decline of value in the dollar and decide to trade in something worth more value, the Euro. Then 9/11 happens and it is said that Osama did it. Americans get upset and want to invade. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany and their invasion of Poland? We then invade the middle eat "looking" for Weapons of mass destruction. We never found any. Then we are told that Saddam is harboring Osama so we go after him. Kill him and still no Osama or WMDs. Later we find out that Osama was an ally of the us and fought along side us in previous wars. We still can't find the mother fucker and now we have pissed off a lot of Iraqis and Pakistanis by invading their homeland.

America is trying to expand its authority and influence to other countries that it has no business in. Imperialism. We also have the man who supports America in power. So its likeley that he will keep trading in the dollar. All thanks to 9/11.

Isn't this starting to resemble past historical events?



Bah, back on topic, bitte.

[Christmas]

Do you know the history of the world or do I have quote it for you? Government doesn't care about you. Never has never will. They only want more power.

Some evidence that the US government carried out/had a hand in the 9/11 attacks would be nice.


Take a look at Bush. Saddam Hussein, who was the dictator in the middle east and had dominance over oil, was wanting to start trading in Euros. Just like if China was to start trading in another currency, would help ruin the dollar as is stood. He saw the decline of value in the dollar and decide to trade in something worth more value, the Euro.

Cool story bro.


Then 9/11 happens and it is said that Osama did it.

Well he did admit to it, but I guess he was brainwashed?


Americans get upset and want to invade. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany and their invasion of Poland?

Reminiscent of Pearl Harbor. The US didn't blame a religion for anything, didn't send a single race in concentration camps, there was no mass genocide of innocent civilians in those non-existent camps, etc etc.


We then invade the middle eat "looking" for Weapons of mass destruction. We never found any.

The majority of politicians (republican and democrat, including Hillary Clinton and Al Gore) believed that Saddam either had WMDs or was aggressively attempting to access them.


Then we are told that Saddam is harboring Osama so we go after him. Kill him and still no Osama or WMDs. Later we find out that Osama was an ally of the us and fought along side us in previous wars. We still can't find the mother fucker and now we have pissed off a lot of Iraqis and Pakistanis by invading their homeland.

1. The "saddam is harboring Osama" was a blatant falsehood.
2. Osama was part of the Afghanistani resistance in the Cold War. That doesn't make is okay for him to conspire to kill thousands of Americans. Pointless
3. We have also pleased a lot of Iraqis and Pakistanis, but that has nothing to do with 9/11, so I digress.


America is trying to expand its authority and influence to other countries that it has no business in. Imperialism. We also have the man who supports America in power. So its likeley that he will keep trading in the dollar. All thanks to 9/11.

Isn't this starting to resemble past historical events?

Bah, back on topic, bitte.

Sorry, if you honestly are going to believe that the US government had a hand in 9/11 based on "History told me so" then you shouldn't even be recommending any kind of movie to any of us.

In other words: you are fucking retarded and should GTFO.

[loka]

Do you think 9/11 was NOT an inside job?

Please God tell me YOU are kidding...

This is coming from someone who wants to join the US Marines? wow.

I don't agree with the War, but you better believe every fucking soldier is defending for freedom whether they believe in the war or not. It's their fucking job. God I hate my ex so much, but I never wish her to be harmed if she gets deployed. good god.

[walterbrunswick]

@ anex

This argument with Christmas is pointless.

He's thick-headed (as we've seen him display with Autumn).

You present facts and historical basis and logic; he dismisses it with a one-liner "Cool story bro."

@ Christmas

It might be hard for you to accept certain truths, such as that the government uses people and only wants power and money.

Until you accept this, YOU are fucking naive and should GTFO.

[walterbrunswick]

This is coming from someone who wants to join the US Marines? wow.

I don't agree with the War, but you better believe every fucking soldier is defending for freedom whether they believe in the war or not. It's their fucking job. God I hate my ex so much, but I never wish her to be harmed if she gets deployed. good god.

I stand behind the Marines (and the entire U.S. Military), and their core values and oaths. This doesn't mean that I support every war that the government declares.

These are two very different things.

Every Marine is fighting for freedom, and this does not change no matter what war they fight in.

[Christmas]

@ anex

This argument with Christmas is pointless.

He's thick-headed (as we've seen him display with Autumn).

You present facts and historical basis and logic; he dismisses it with a one-liner "Cool story bro."

@ Christmas

It might be hard for you to accept certain truths, such as that the government uses people and only wants power and money.

Until you accept this, YOU are fucking naive and should GTFO.

History does not prove that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the United States, or even planned.


Until you can give me proof that shows the attacks at the World Trade Center, Pentagon, and Shanskville were by our own government, then you can't prove anything.

I'm not saying the government isn't greedy or uses people or whatever. But you can't say that the government carried out the attacks because they are greedy.

Some evidence, please. Of course you can't even get a fucking greencard, so this may be a difficult task for someone like you.

[walterbrunswick]

There is evidence. What about that missile that landed in the Pentagon?

Or that plane in Pennsylvania? No evidence of it?

Building 7 in NYC?

Who taught the terrorists how to pilot commercial airliners?

What about the very structured fall of the Twin Towers?

Or the fact that only 40% of the building was occupied? Or the practice drills they had the few weeks before?

...I know it's a sickening thought, just unbelievable, and a liberal thinker would never think that the government would do something like this, and it scares me...


As for the Green Card, just a phone call away. I'm going to call my friend this week.

[๖ReS]

My entire fucking country scares me.

[Christmas]

There is evidence. What about that missile that landed in the Pentagon?

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

Assuming it would be financially smart to use a missile to replicate the damage a plane would cause and dispose of the plane and the passengers without anyone knowing.


Or that plane in Pennsylvania? No evidence of it?

Read above.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/flight93page1


Building 7 in NYC?

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction


What about the very structured fall of the Twin Towers?

Well it was a structure. Ask NIST. They wrote a paper on it.


Or the fact that only 40% of the building was occupied?

And?



Or the practice drills they had the few weeks before?

Do you even know how long it takes to rig up a tower with explosives? This is with a much smaller, gutted building, with 100% access by many engineers.


Also, compare the explosions.

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...I know it's a sickening thought, just unbelievable, and a liberal thinker would never think that the government would do something like this, and it scares me...


As for the Green Card, just a phone call away. I'm going to call my friend this week.[/FONT]

Good for you and the green card.

[loka]

My entire fucking country scares me.

your face scares me. :O

[walterbrunswick]

Okay Christmas, you have some good evidence there.

It's open to discussion, that's all.

[Christmas]

Okay Christmas, you have some good evidence there.

It's open to discussion, that's all.

Not really. Sure the government sucks and we are essentially a bottom line in their eyes, but there is no concrete evidence to suggest they carried out the 9/11 attacks.

[loka]

To be honest, I'm insulted you would say the pilots of the two planes intentionally crashed the WTC. I suppose the niece of John Ogonowski, who went to my high school was a make believe man who was the pilot of the American Airline plane. I suppose her tears were fake as she ran down the hall when at 8:40am I was sitting in my senior lit class and I hear everyone panicking. yeah. it was sure a day to fucking forget. I remember I couldn't even contact my friend for an entire day who was suppose to be working around the WTC that day. She ended up waking up late because we were on the phone so late. And by the way i didn't even know that pilot was a former alumni at the university i went to. 9/11 happened to be the FIRST successful disaster that Al-Qaeda accomplished. Hello? 1993 bombing that unsuccessfully was carried by Al-Qaeda so please spare the fucking derivative history lessons from youtube clips.

and lets not even forget inside terrorists. OKC Bombing with Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? He was pissed off about how the FBI handled Waco, TX (Branch Davidian cult) so let's not act like 9/11 was a fucking planned attack.

[๖ReS]

your face scares me. :O

*sniff*

:(

[Rapedollar$]

To be honest, I'm insulted you would say the pilots of the two planes intentionally crashed the WTC. I suppose the niece of John Ogonowski, who went to my high school was a make believe man who was the pilot of the American Airline plane. I suppose her tears were fake as she ran down the hall when at 8:40am I was sitting in my senior lit class and I hear everyone panicking. yeah. it was sure a day to fucking forget. I remember I couldn't even contact my friend for an entire day who was suppose to be working around the WTC that day. She ended up waking up late because we were on the phone so late. And by the way i didn't even know that pilot was a former alumni at the university i went to. 9/11 happened to be the FIRST successful disaster that Al-Qaeda accomplished. Hello? 1993 bombing that unsuccessfully was carried by Al-Qaeda so please spare the fucking derivative history lessons from youtube clips.

and lets not even forget inside terrorists. OKC Bombing with Timothy McVeigh ring a bell? He was pissed off about how the FBI handled Waco, TX (Branch Davidian cult) so let's not act like 9/11 was a fucking planned attack.


<3 thank you loka! <3

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

Oh dear god please tell me you are kidding.

Exactly my point. This kid is infatuated with propaganda bullshit. Go back to drinking and thinking that looks cool. Douche ! Yeah that's right I insulted you. Now go get your fucken shinebox !

[anex]

Exactly my point. This kid is infatuated with propaganda bullshit. Go back to drinking and thinking that looks cool. Douche ! Yeah that's right I insulted you. Now go get your fucken shinebox !

I don't care that you insult me NYS. It was just pissing me off because you were use using it as a substitute for an argument. You do not know the reasons I drink. I don't think its cool. The only real reason why I drink is because I worked a headache 11 hour shift or I am depressed. EDIT: Also my co-worker said something interesting to me this morning. If you don't think that the American government has propaganda of its own, then you are a fool.

"Exactly my point." I didn't know you where trying to make one.

@ Walter

Going back and forth with evidence won't get you anywhere is a goes in one big circle. It goes like this. One thing gets said, that gets debunked, then that debunked gets debunked then that debunked debunked gets debunked.

@ Christmas

Christmas I question. I question authority and I question what is told to me. I would rather question something and be wrong then question nothing at all. Is it not plausible to look at the history of other countries and see the same path that America is heading down? Btw I wasn't comparing America to Nazi Germany. I was using it as an example of how they instigated an event to make the German people want to go to war.

"I'm not saying the government isn't greedy or uses people or whatever. But you can't say that the government carried out the attacks because they are greedy."

Well why not? Greed for power, money? It is a legitimate statement. One that has not been disproven since the events after 9/11.

I never said it was an inside job. I don't think the government planted bombs and blew up the buildings as others had said. I just take a look around the world, read, and find this interesting. I question. So you can call me retarded and tell me GTFO but the recent history of the United States has me really quite puzzled with it starting when Clinton was elected. EDIT** Bush Senior not Clinton**

@ Loka

You talking to Walter or I?

[Christmas]

@ Christmas

Christmas I question. I question authority and I question what is told to me. I would rather question something and be wrong then question nothing at all. Is it not plausible to look at the history of other countries and see the same path that America is heading down? Btw I wasn't comparing America to Nazi Germany. I was using it as an example of how they instigated an event to make the German people want to go to war.

"I'm not saying the government isn't greedy or uses people or whatever. But you can't say that the government carried out the attacks because they are greedy."

Well why not? Greed for power, money? It is a legitimate statement. One that has not been disproven since the events after 9/11.

I never said it was an inside job. I don't think the government planted bombs and blew up the buildings as others had said. I just take a look around the world, read, and find this interesting. I question. So you can call me retarded and tell me GTFO but the recent history of the United States has me really quite puzzled with it starting when Clinton was elected. EDIT** Bush Senior not Clinton**

Okay sure. I never said you shouldn't question. I never said you shouldn't be skeptical of US government propaganda. But just because history says that governments have instigated events to gain an advantage in the past doesn't mean that governments instigate every single major event in the world. The only way the US instigated 9/11 was with their presence in Afghanistan and the fact that the US is a secular state. They didn't let it happen on purpose or give Al Qaeda the tools or go ahead to pull off the attacks.

[loka]

Actually, during the 70's when a certain president was hell bent on Communist Russia, we provided weapons to a certain group of people in the Middle East. At that time they were not Al-Qaeda, but those same people today still have those weapons we provided to get rid of Russian occupation in the Middle East.

I suggest taking a Terrorism and Homeland Security course in college even if Criminal Justice isn't your major. Terrorism has been around long before the Holy Crusades. People look at the Roman and Persian empires to justify terrorism or reasons to go to war. However, people look at those as dynasties. I look at those times as tyrants who wanted to wipe out an entire race (genocide) and to this day terrorism is still rampant. Our history NO MATTER WHAT justifies it rightfully or wrongly.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

Packing a nine can't wait to use it !!
Up against the wall dont give me no lip son !!
I aint ya mamma and i aint ya pops !!
Keep your music down or you might get shot !!!
This is a warning so watch your tail !!!
Or im'ma have to put your ass in jail !!!
Im the police and im in charge !!!!!
You dont like it !!! Get the fuck outta dodge !!!

[Sin]

Off-topic quick key...

Got no life like junky hearts, fuck the vets its nerds day
Go write some monkey bars just to let your words play
I'm in front with art, first grade but new jersey don't have it
Rip your jaw, who needs a pitchfork to injure a cabbage
Its all in the practice, you want time and drastically lack it
Havin a shower in an hour glass... I happily smashed it
Attacking with graphic diction and spitting practically spastic
With three similies and a metaphor attached to my casket
Emcees crack like laughin' with chapped lips, the wack bitch
And my bile replaced saliva since the first time I spat sick ..