This is madness

[ZERO]

Apparently this video has been shown in schools across this nation:
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The blatant propaganda in this video and the total disregard for truth or facts is utterly disgraceful. Who in there right mind would ever show this to a young group of people and then tell them that it is a fact!

I believe that anyone who would show children this propaganda should be banned from teaching for violating basic principles of ethics.

This is outrageous that children have been exposed within the public school system to such madness. What is next, having children be told that the founding fathers are nuts and that we should follow the likes of Chavez and Ahmadineja!?

[ZERO]

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[Christmas]

Wow that was stupid.

Only stood through five minutes.

[wickedtribe]

Wow that is the most incredibly stupid thing I have ever heard of, how on earth this was ever allowed to be shown to anybody in a public school system is beyond me, I would think there would be extremely thick regulation on this.

Encouraging a rebellion from what I see "What we do is wrong, what we started on was wrong, this causes problems for the world" yea.... awesome I havn't heard something this completely retarded in an extremely long time.

Biased opionion not supported by facts... Thats unbelievable

[loka]

First of all.

You guys should take a course on White Collar Crime. You would be amazed how much big corporations have dabbed their pockets into government and vise versa... hence why it's called white collar crime (although now some average person can commit white collar crime based on the level of the crime) but whatever... continuing on....

You guys should look up who exactly is releasing the video...
the schools do not give this shit for teachers to look at without the state government taking a look at the video so I rather DOUBT they are being shown ALL ACROSS the nation cause my sister saw this video and said she never saw it before. Usually a video goes through a process of being viewed before they give it to teachers. If a teacher wants to show it in her curriculum, she/he has to speak to the education board.

Tides Foundation? Progressive nonprofit organization that is almost a mimic group of the Human Rights Campaign but much broader.

EGA one of the board of directors is from Mitsubishi Corp. Sound familiar? Yeah the same people who make the cars and electronics and other bullshit. Another one is from Tiffany Co. Yeah the same people with the diamonds and shit. The rest are all scientific research centers places. Of course these people put foundations to save face but whatever.

Point is your children will learn alot of shit in school. LOL I don't remember half the shit I learned from videos so if you think this is going to get into the minds of a 5 year old to an 18 year old your wrong.

Do I believe the shit on this video? No. Cause I just don't care.

[wickedtribe]

First of all.

You guys should take a course on White Collar Crime. You would be amazed how much big corporations have dabbed their pockets into government and vise versa... hence why it's called white collar crime (although now some average person can commit white collar crime based on the level of the crime) but whatever... continuing on....

You guys should look up who exactly is releasing the video...
the schools do not give this shit for teachers to look at without the state government taking a look at the video so I rather DOUBT they are being shown ALL ACROSS the nation cause my sister saw this video and said she never saw it before. Usually a video goes through a process of being viewed before they give it to teachers. If a teacher wants to show it in her curriculum, she/he has to speak to the education board.

Tides Foundation? Progressive nonprofit organization that is almost a mimic group of the Human Rights Campaign but much broader.

EGA one of the board of directors is from Mitsubishi Corp. Sound familiar? Yeah the same people who make the cars and electronics and other bullshit. Another one is from Tiffany Co. Yeah the same people with the diamonds and shit. The rest are all scientific research centers places. Of course these people put foundations to save face but whatever.

Point is your children will learn alot of shit in school. LOL I don't remember half the shit I learned from videos so if you think this is going to get into the minds of a 5 year old to an 18 year old your wrong.

Do I believe the shit on this video? No. Cause I just don't care.



I'm yet to meet a child that doesn't hang on every word they hear below age 10.

If they see this video they will believe it to be fact. As would 90% of the uneducated populace.

If you show an ingnorant person a video that they think makes them intelligent they will believe it, and if you tell them about how stupid everybody else is dear god you have just opened a flood gate.

And Loka we don't expect people on our forum to believe this, the point of this is that some schools in the nation ARE playing this and those FEW schools are enough to cause signifigant damage to a young child and sever them from facts and the desire to research.

[uuntiltheendd]

yea that video was stupid.
and lies are being taught at public schools every day.

[loka]

well this is where the parents comes in. and asks the kids below age 10 "what have you learned today?" I do remember getting some forms from teachers saying "i'm going to be teaching them xyz do you want them to be dismissed for that time until i am done with the curriculum" etc etc.

For me this is a 2 way street. Parenting and being responsible to know what exactly your child is learning in school. I doubt this is going to cause any harm, but make kids more aware of progressive thinking. Whether that's dangerous or not who knows. I heard her mention military and the first thing i said was "hoooahhh" so who knows what a kid wants to latch onto.

[loka]

yea that video was stupid.
and lies are being taught at public schools every day.

i was taught a penis went inside a vagina. that surely was a damn lie in my book.

[Christmas]

i was taught a penis went inside a vagina. that surely was a damn lie in my book.

If you want to repopulate the planet, not so much.

Also a teacher does not have to ask for a note every time they play a video. That is only required when it comes to mature content such as sex education or graphic violence.

Also parents cannot know everything a child is learning, and cannot be held responsible for everything the public school does.

[Vladninja]

well this is where the parents comes in. and asks the kids below age 10 "what have you learned today?" I do remember getting some forms from teachers saying "i'm going to be teaching them xyz do you want them to be dismissed for that time until i am done with the curriculum" etc etc.

For me this is a 2 way street. Parenting and being responsible to know what exactly your child is learning in school. I doubt this is going to cause any harm, but make kids more aware of progressive thinking. Whether that's dangerous or not who knows. I heard her mention military and the first thing i said was "hoooahhh" so who knows what a kid wants to latch onto.

Oh my god.... everyone run... They have already gotten to her.

Warning Rant ahead... :rant:

You think the video is stupid but how can you say you don't care? Your really not bothered by this kind of blatant propaganda being shown in schools? You want to watch something like this fine... its your right whether its bullshit or not (some people like Michal Moore movies personaly I like documentaries were the facts arent edited to such a biased extreme its laughable) .... but you should choose to watch it. The biggest problem I have here, is if even one classroom was forced to watch it... that's to many.

Thank you Zero for showing this to all of us it servers as a reminder how fucked up the school system has gotten. Teachers who aren't allowed to show the works of Mark Twain because its not politically correct are allowed to push this on our children is just beyond the pale.

As far as parents... I don't even know where to begin.... The majority (not all) of parents of this generation are not involved in their children's lives... We have parents out raged because they bought there kids Grand Theft Auto and wonder why little jimmy talks about stealing cars or how you can get the hooker and beat her to death to get back your money... The FUCKING games called GRAND THEFT AUTO did we think it was about charity car washes? Ive been in game stop and watched a parent buy her child this game several times (they asked for her ID how can they claim ignorance?) You play ZM so I know you've seen kids on at 3 a.m. that aren't even old enough to purchase the game.

Maybe this wont cause any harm but something sure is... I would like to see the future generation surpass the current one... I would like to think we are raising a generation that will fix a lot of the mistakes we have made. The reality though is that history is doomed to repeat itself and I think the worst is still yet to come.

I don't want to grow up and be old with a generation of punk ass kids high on meth, stealing my money, collecting food stamps, taking government health care (and other hand outs) and bitching about having to pay taxes (oh shit no wait I already live in that world)... Lets be the smart minority that allows ourselves to be out raged by this... it may not be the problem but its this kind of blind ideology we are bombarded with every day that affect the lowest common denominator (aka stupid people).

I know everyone is entitled to there opinion and I don't mean this as an attack but please understand why some of us don't take this as lightly as you. I completely understand Zeros frustration. Again good catch Zero. :wtg:

Added::: I apologize for any misspelling or bad grammar this video got me so steamed its hard to type.

[ZERO]

Oh, you will not be. You will be growing up with a group who is more than willing to give anything up for the sake of government. For the government has the job to "take care of everyone right" so who needs individual liberty or freedom? Clearly only evil people who only care about themselves would want that. What is really being created here is mindless drones who will ultimately bow down below the almighty STATE, for the state is GOD! Why do you think yet another part of the erosion of our nations heritage has been the wilting away of religion? If there is no GOD then where does man get his rights? If there is no GOD what is man, simply another beast. If this is true than what is the true ultimate power in the universe, GOVERNMENT! Currently, God endows man with rights that we hold dear in the Constitution, we LEND these to the government in exchange for defense. However without God we possess nothing to lend and at that point we are merely owned by the state. If you study pre WWII Germany you will find the exact same things being done for the same reasons. The only difference now is that they are cloaked under the names of freedom, liberty, diversity and happiness; however, it is too a sad that to a growing number of people these words really are a replacement for tyranny.

[Vladninja]

Why do you think yet another part of the erosion of our nations heritage has been the wilting away of religion? If there is no GOD then where does man get his rights? If there is no GOD what is man, simply another beast.

I get what your saying except for this one thing... Doesn't the past prove that the state will hide behind and use Religion to blind and lead the masses. Could the government really replace god on its own? Wouldn't it be easier and quicker to maintain the religious strange hold. So that future generations can blindly fight the governments Holy Wars?

[loka]

Oh, you will not be. You will be growing up with a group who is more than willing to give anything up for the sake of government. For the government has the job to "take care of everyone right" so who needs individual liberty or freedom? Clearly only evil people who only care about themselves would want that. What is really being created here is mindless drones who will ultimately bow down below the almighty STATE, for the state is GOD! Why do you think yet another part of the erosion of our nations heritage has been the wilting away of religion? If there is no GOD then where does man get his rights? If there is no GOD what is man, simply another beast. If this is true than what is the true ultimate power in the universe, GOVERNMENT! Currently, God endows man with rights that we hold dear in the Constitution, we LEND these to the government in exchange for defense. However without God we possess nothing to lend and at that point we are merely owned by the state. If you study pre WWII Germany you will find the exact same things being done for the same reasons. The only difference now is that they are cloaked under the names of freedom, liberty, diversity and happiness; however, it is too a sad that to a growing number of people these words really are a replacement for tyranny.


So that future generations can blindly fight the governments Holy Wars?

Did you say Holy War? 9/11 ring a bell? You think we were attacked just because we are inferior or because Al-Qaeda has a fucked up sense of Islam? They hate our ways. They think we are the devils. Southboro Baptist church (http://www.godhatesfags.com/) praised Al-Qaeda in leading with this "Holy War". I can't even get on that website without popping a vein.

Technically we already are in a Holy War. Whoever really started it doesn't matter. But you don't think for a minute we're in the midst of a Holy War? In the name of Allah those assholes prayed before hitting the towers and Allah is God. God is one person for all different religions. And religion is all misconstrued in one book for people to decipher in their own ways to fuck everyone royally in the name of God.

[Vladninja]

Technically we already are in a Holy War. Whoever really started it doesn't matter. But you don't think for a minute we're in the midst of a Holy War? In the name of Allah those assholes prayed before hitting the towers and Allah is God. God is one person for all different religions. And religion is all misconstrued in one book for people to decipher in their own ways to fuck everyone royally in the name of God.

LOL... I agree that's why I asked Zero about it. "Doesn't the past prove that the state will hide behind and use Religion to blind and lead the masses."

I agree with what you said... not sure how I could have made that more clear :banghead:

[loka]

LOL... I agree that's why I asked Zero about it. "Doesn't the past prove that the state will hide behind and use Religion to blind and lead the masses."

I agree with what you said... not sure how I could have made that more clear :banghead:

nah i wasn't responding to you lol i just don't do quotes.

[anex]

Loka and thats exactly why if everyone was Atheist, the world would be a better place.

I will agree with one point in the video though. Our government loves to kiss the ass of big corporations. The government just banned my favorite kind of cigarettes. Not because they are worse then other cigarettes, but because Phillip Morris could have a more hold over the cigarette distribution and sales in America. :(

[Vladninja]

Loka and thats exactly why if everyone was Atheist, the world would be a better place.

I will agree with one point in the video though. Our government loves to kiss the ass of big corporations. The government just banned my favorite kind of cigarettes. Not because they are worse then other cigarettes, but because Phillip Morris could have a more hold over the cigarette distribution and sales in America. :(

I'm no fan of holy wars in fact I'm against most major religions but isn't believing in something important... I personally think maybe its the belief in something that is more powerful than what you believe in... just a thought.

Oh and anex sorry about yours cigs.... smokes kill but its your right as an american to kill yourself... lol
Just like if ya don't wanna wear a seat belt good... I wish the government would stop interfering with Darwinism

[loka]

Loka and thats exactly why if everyone was Atheist, the world would be a better place.

I will agree with one point in the video though. Our government loves to kiss the ass of big corporations. The government just banned my favorite kind of cigarettes. Not because they are worse then other cigarettes, but because Phillip Morris could have a more hold over the cigarette distribution and sales in America. :(

That's the only part I agreed with too especially while doing a report on corporations and government crimes in my white collar crimes course last year.

I believe in a God... I was Catholic... technically still am, but I think my limit pushed at 16 when I saw how fearful, closed minded, and hypocritical some Catholics and Christians can be. I rather just know I believe in God and I pray to him without being so vindictive and spiteful to everyone around me and not used God as an excuse to reasons I say or do things.

[everclipse]

how many of you people out there have seen the movie Equlibrium with Christian Bale in it? It is a bad ass movie with a very good point in it that you all have hit on. This up and coming generation is being manipulated by the goverment, trying to make them into the little soldiers they think they will need in the coming years so they will pull a slite(sp)of hand in front of everyone to make them do what they want and please the masses. I mean when was the last time we have had a president who went on public television and spoke directly to the children of the nation? To me that is just wrong nut to some that may seem right, i am not here to judge anyone for what has happened,but things are changing fast in the world and it is only a matter of time before, like Vlad said, man will utterly kill himself.
Well that is my vent...side note though anyone who hasn't seen that movie i mentioned they should it really is cool and kind of matrix style too.
Peace and happy hunting:pistols:

[walterbrunswick]

So far into the video, I have to say it's pretty accurate and on point.

Sorry if all of you disagree, but corporations run America, profits are key above all (including human life), and yes we are living in quite a toxic world.

My Police Foundations department head told us one day when we were getting ready to do the practice exam, that in WWI days, it took the human body an average 30 days to decompose; now-a-days it takes 4 months. That's what synthetic products and toxins do.

I don't like the state of the world at this current time, but realizing that we are are in this state is important if we ever want to improve in the future.

[D-Monic]

yes equilibrium is a bad ass movie:wtg:

[Sin]

There's nothing wrong with white-collar crimes. ^_^

[Christmas]

Loka and thats exactly why if everyone was Atheist, the world would be a better place.

I will agree with one point in the video though. Our government loves to kiss the ass of big corporations. The government just banned my favorite kind of cigarettes. Not because they are worse then other cigarettes, but because Phillip Morris could have a more hold over the cigarette distribution and sales in America. :(

You shouldn't be smoking, period. So serves you right.


So far into the video, I have to say it's pretty accurate and on point.

Sorry if all of you disagree, but corporations run America, profits are key above all (including human life), and yes we are living in quite a toxic world.

My Police Foundations department head told us one day when we were getting ready to do the practice exam, that in WWI days, it took the human body an average 30 days to decompose; now-a-days it takes 4 months. That's what synthetic products and toxins do.

I don't like the state of the world at this current time, but realizing that we are are in this state is important if we ever want to improve in the future.

The problem is that even with all these toxins the state of human life is improving and so is life expectancy.

Saying "toxic" over and over doesn't prove jack squat. And your decomposition argument is meaningless considering where the human body goes when it dies.

[Sin]

You shouldn't be smoking, period. So serves you right.

Everyone has their vice.

[Christmas]

Everyone has their vice.

Most vices don't have the risk of cancer associated with them. And most vices aren't that expensive.

[Sin]

Most vices don't have the risk of cancer associated with them. And most vices aren't that expensive.

All vices have their risks. And they can all turn out to be detrimental to your physical, mental and emotional health. That is why they're called vices.

My favorite vice is t-baggin' drunken women. Am I going to stop doing what I enjoy, because of the "risk" that one day one of those women will wake up, mid t-bag, and take a chunk out of my sack? NO!

"To each his own."

EDIT: My apologies from derailing this epic thread, slightly. Please continue with the assumptions on the future of our failing world.

[Revenant]

I actually thought it was a well made video with good points and facts. I don't know how I feel about the video being shown to children, because it kinda seems to me like it's brainwashing them to think a certain way (only because it's extremely bias), but it doesn't mean that the video is absolute shit.

[uuntiltheendd]

in response to what people were saying about religion. i thought these were interesting, especially coming from thomas jefferson:

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."


"My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there."


-Thomas Jefferson

[loka]

Decomposition has nothing to do with toxins unless you dipped yourself in chemicals and preserves before dying (like the Egyptians did that helped mummify Pharaoh's and Queens). The way you died gives off how exactly your body decomps and embalming does NOT count in the way your body decomps because embalming is used to retard decomposition so idiots like us can view our loved ones in a casket with out getting queasy. In essence embalming fluid retards the process of decomp from leeching on to the body so quickly.

Full body decomposition WITHOUT any embalming fluid can take as much as 10 years. The breakdown of the tissues and enzymes alone can take as much as 5 years alone and that is just the first step of decomp.

The most disgusting step in decomp is black putrefaction. That's when the body just implodes and it's all there for you to see in front of you. It's disgusting.

Other ways to speed or slow down decomp would be temperature, COD, size and weight and other factors.

But a forensic pathology class will teach you all that. Or you can visit a body farm. I'd stick to the forensic class.

[loka]

in response to what people were saying about religion. i thought these were interesting, especially coming from thomas jefferson:

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."


"My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there."


-Thomas Jefferson

Our founding fathers never built this country on the intentions of finding religion. That was the Puritans on the Mayflower.

Yet again Jefferson was an intellect. Not a drone devoured by his faith.

[uuntiltheendd]

Our founding fathers never built this country on the intentions of finding religion. That was the Puritans on the Mayflower.

Yet again Jefferson was an intellect. Not a drone devoured by his faith.

yupp.

[Christmas]

I actually thought it was a well made video with good points and facts. I don't know how I feel about the video being shown to children, because it kinda seems to me like it's brainwashing them to think a certain way (only because it's extremely bias), but it doesn't mean that the video is absolute shit.

I think the critique of the video sums up how "shitty" it actually is quite nicely.

I think he could have added more to prove his point, but his point was valid nonetheless.

[ZERO]

I am not comparing them to the past where gov used religion it starts as that and then they move to replace it with the state. If you study what Germany did the same was true. If they had won the war it would only be a few more years before organized religion was removed. Take for example the following religious lyrics taught to children:


Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Only the Chancellor steadfast in fight
Watches o’er Germany by day and by night
Always caring for us.
Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, and all is bright
Adolf Hitler is Germany’s wealth
Brings us greatness, favour and health
Oh give us Germans all power!

This is a prayer TO hitler note that it is not for him but to him because lets face it what is the difference between him and god in a nation where the state will replace the divine:

Leader, my Leader,
given to me by God,
protect me and sustain my life for a long time
you have rescued Germany out of deepest misery,
to you I owe my daily bread
Leader, my Leader,
my belief, my light
Leader my Leader,
do not abandon me

I am not trying to say anything about organized religion but what I am saying is that replacing a "higher power" with the state is the quickest way to lose your liberty.

Other than that religion has little to do with this topic. I was merely trying to demonstrate the links between past and current fascistic methods of indoctrination.

Here is some food for though: could you imagine what would happen if teachers wanted to show a video that demonstrated the fact that socialism has failed to work in every single nation that has used it. From the national socialism of the Nazis to the better known and more direct controlled methods of the soviets it has failed time and time again. Our current economic problems are a fine example of what happens when you try to dabel in socialism, let us not forget that one of the largest contributing factors to the housing crisis was made by our governments push for low income housing claiming that the American deam is to be given to everyone. This was accomplished though the community investment act and though changes in Fani may and Freddy mack that allowed them to buy junk bonds and repackage those as investment bonds rated for 0% risk.

We have all seen how people with money use that money to create small business that provide 70%+ of our gdp yet those "evil rich people" constantly need to "give there fair share". I guess creating and providing all those jobs was not enough was it? Our gov constantly wants to "spread the wealth around" yet I have never known a poor man to give me a job. At the same time this same gov enables big business so are they really for the little guy or is a few large corporations easier to control than small independent companies. This same strategy was implemented in Germany as one of the ideals of fascism, that being a form of corporatism. Germany unlike the USSR brought corporations under the wings of government so that they could be used to help enforce the govs ideals and act as a defense for the gov. Unlike in the USSR where the state business could do something bad in Germany companies that were found to do something wrong were suddenly separate from the gov similar to how Fani may and Freddy mack suddenly have no relation to the US gov as soon as problems arise.

As for the comments on the tides foundation, yes I do know exactly who they are and no the content is not surprising given that it is from an organization such as that. Maybe they could team up with their friends at acorn and make a video about the benefits of child prostitution over buying lunch at burger king.


As far as the content of the video goes there would be almost as much truth in me telling kids that if they jump off a building after taking acid a unicorn will come and let them fly around. While it is possible that this event may occur in their mind as they fall to there death it does not make the event actually real. Just like repeating lies over and over again does not alter the reality of their non existence.

[-=Toy=-=Québec=-FR]

Could someone explain basically the video? please xD?

[Christmas]

Could someone explain basically the video? please xD?

Corporate America is killing everyone, we need to go green, insert green peace and leftist dogma here, yada yada.

Also:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yvSPVNXA4eM/R1Q4VUOheDI/AAAAAAAAACg/Bh6iHBnB93U/s1600-R/Caution_THIS-IS-SPARTA!.jpg

[yours' truely]

just watched the original vid, not the critiques.

I've got to say that they do a good job with making the presentation easy to follow and they do a good job of 'outlining' the very 'basic' process; but yes, it's very one sided with it's negativety and spiteful commentary on todays society.

This shouldn't be shown to kids in a public school system. This should be shown at adult settings and the such.


What is next, having children be told that the founding fathers are nuts and that we should follow the likes of Chavez and Ahmadineja!?not to argue this point, but just to point out:


I speculate that at the time, the british viewed the US leaders in a very similar light that the US views leaders like Chavez, Ahmadineja and and even Castro.

With as much time that has passed from the American Independance what fact have been altered or misinterpreted either intentionally or accidentally... the same could happen with Chavez and Ahmadineja.

Heck, Castro is already being seen in a much more positive light over what he was 15 or 20 years ago.


I don't want to grow up and be old with a generation of punk ass kids high on meth, stealing my money, collecting food stamps, taking government health care (and other hand outs) and bitching about having to pay taxes (oh shit no wait I already live in that world)... Lets be the smart minority that allows ourselves to be out raged by this... it may not be the problem but its this kind of blind ideology we are bombarded with every day that affect the lowest common denominator (aka stupid people). I DO!!! I say let the mentally weak and easily influenced ppl be systematically eliminated by their own habits so I can have a better chance on top.

Sure, with more crime, my survival may not be ensured, but hey that's life.

[uuntiltheendd]

well the way things are in this world, i wouldnt mind if something actually did happened to us all in 2012...

[yours' truely]

well the way things are in this world, i wouldnt mind if something actually did happened to us all in 2012...diet dr peppers will taste more llike regular dr peppers.

[uuntiltheendd]

diet dr peppers will taste more llike regular dr peppers.

:O
and i hope they can find out how to kill that extra .01% of germs! that would be awesomeeeee!

[mastercheff]

from the famous words of spartan leonidas this is sparta that video was fucking stupid i learn more from here than damn school

[loka]

Nothing is going to happen in 2012. Those silly Mexicans and their dirty Mayan math.

[ZERO]

Castro, is not in a more positive light. The only thing that has changed is the people who believe in his ideology have grown in power and influence. Mussolini was also cast in a "good" light by early progressives (ironically the same people who love Castro so much). It was not until he allied with Hitler that he suddenly way bad. (well not his ideas, just him?)

The fact is that none of those men are good the only thing is that people try to put a smiley face on them. Once again tying it to the Nazis; who cares if your killing Jews as long as it makes you feel good. This logic is predominant in an array of propaganda, do not mind the facts, the actions or the results just do what "feels right" and how do you know what feels right well that is easy! It is what ever your told "feels right".

A classic example today is the people who have all that stuff with Che on it. Would a reasonable person put the image of a Marxist revolutionary who killed countless people. Apparently it is just fine if it is just a harmless image of Che, want to read a short on who Che really is: http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535

Remember that at the end of the day the only thing that matter is what the TRUTH is. If our nation is to remain it must stay founded in principles and facts not lies and deception.

[ImGonnaGetCha]

well the way things are in this world, i wouldnt mind if something actually did happened to us all in 2012...

Lawl!!! Speak For Yourself!!!!
Anyway I Dont Think That The World Is Going To END By 2012, It's To Soon, According To The.... Uh Nvm I'm Not Gonna Get Into That!!! Lawlz But Yeah, I Do Think It Will Be In Our Generation If Not, Then For SURE Our Kids Generations!!!!!!! But Some Scarry Shit (Excuse My French) Is Gonna Happen During Our Generation, Like That Chip They're Gonna Implant In People, It'll Give Them Freedom, While The Others That Didn't Take The Chip Have No Freedom WhatSoEver And Will Die Horribly!!!!!!! But If You Are Smart You Will Not Take The Chip..... Zero Please Explain What I'm Trying To Say Lawlz

[loka]

You truly miss the point in why 'El Che' is used as a popular cultural symbol. Of course in Latin America he is respected in other ways. Not necessarily because of his politics and involvement with the communist party for the cause of the Cuban Revolution or the fact that he was a guerrilla who hated American influence in Latin America.

I mean really, what has American involvement in Latin American caused? Puerto Rico's inability to choose between independence or statehood, many engineering factories moving to Mexico for cheap labor leaving many of those unemployed in the U.S. Citgo oil is owned by the Venezuelan government, Panama Canal, i could go on, but the point is America has shitted on Latin America assuming they are poorly educated and not well read.

Can't say I blame Guevarra for going on the brink of becoming America's target after the Bay of Pigs incident. What terrified the U.S. about Cuba was only that their distance to the U.S. border (90 minutes away).

Read Guerilla Warfare (http://www.smallwars.quantico.usmc.mil/search/articles/cheguevarraonguerrillawarfare.pdf). This manual was given to every soldier he recruited, and to peasants in Latin America to take action. The basis of the book is surrounded with a ton of military practices. I had to read all 49 pages of this article for a Terrorism class along with a redacted Al-Qaeda manual my professor obtained. They use American influence on their soil to empower their hate.

One of my cousins idolizes what Guevarra did. Not because he was a communist. It was because he spoke to a minority of people who wanted change in their surroundings. It's how people obtain and use that information as a weapon or as an influence to better themselves. I use Che as being an influence that a Latino can be as smart and well read as white people believe a Hispanic person to be.

[uuntiltheendd]

Lawl!!! Speak For Yourself!!!!
Anyway I Dont Think That The World Is Going To END By 2012, It's To Soon, According To The.... Uh Nvm I'm Not Gonna Get Into That!!! Lawlz But Yeah, I Do Think It Will Be In Our Generation If Not, Then For SURE Our Kids Generations!!!!!!! But Some Scarry Shit (Excuse My French) Is Gonna Happen During Our Generation, Like That Chip They're Gonna Implant In People, It'll Give Them Freedom Like us Now, And The Ones Who Dont Get It Will Die Horrably!!!! But If You Are Smart You Will Not Take The Chip..... Zero Please Explain What I'm Trying To Say Lawlz

:doh:nuff sed.lawlz.

[ZERO]

You truly miss the point in why 'El Che' is used as a popular cultural symbol. Of course in Latin America he is respected in other ways. Not necessarily because of his politics and involvement with the communist party for the cause of the Cuban Revolution or the fact that he was a guerrilla who hated American influence in Latin America.

I mean really, what has American involvement in Latin American caused? Puerto Rico's inability to choose between independence or statehood, many engineering factories moving to Mexico for cheap labor leaving many of those unemployed in the U.S. Citgo oil is owned by the Venezuelan government, Panama Canal, i could go on, but the point is America has shitted on Latin America assuming they are poorly educated and not well read.

Can't say I blame Guevarra for going on the brink of becoming America's target after the Bay of Pigs incident. What terrified the U.S. about Cuba was only that their distance to the U.S. border (90 minutes away).

Read Guerilla Warfare (http://www.smallwars.quantico.usmc.mil/search/articles/cheguevarraonguerrillawarfare.pdf). This manual was given to every soldier he recruited, and to peasants in Latin America to take action. The basis of the book is surrounded with a ton of military practices. I had to read all 49 pages of this article for a Terrorism class along with a redacted Al-Qaeda manual my professor obtained. They use American influence on their soil to empower their hate.

One of my cousins idolizes what Guevarra did. Not because he was a communist. It was because he spoke to a minority of people who wanted change in their surroundings. It's how people obtain and use that information as a weapon or as an influence to better themselves. I use Che as being an influence that a Latino can be as smart and well read as white people believe a Hispanic person to be.

Under this logic I say that we need images of Hitler and Stalin and Nero everywhere! These people also just wanted to help people change there surroundings. I mean who cares what they did do as long as we only think about the good that they wanted to do. I mean we should all put the swastika on because that symbol really means unity and happiness.

Is it ok for me to go up to a group of black people with KKK stuff becuase I believe that KKK symbols are an influence that Black people can overcome any obstetrical and achieve freedom? No, that would be totally incorrect. It is as I said before, the TRUTH matters and while man can reason away anything it does not change what the facts are. You can look at a mountain from many places but every time it is still a mountain.

[Christmas]

Under this logic I say that we need images of Hitler and Stalin and Nero everywhere! These people also just wanted to help people change there surroundings. I mean who cares what they did do as long as we only think about the good that they wanted to do. I mean we should all put the swastika on because that symbol really means unity and happiness.

Is it ok for me to go up to a group of black people with KKK stuff becuase I believe that KKK symbols are an influence that Black people can overcome any obstetrical and achieve freedom? No, that would be totally incorrect. It is as I said before, the TRUTH matters and while man can reason away anything it does not change what the facts are. You can look at a mountain from many places but every time it is still a mountain.

I think the term "The ends don't justify the means" works pretty well for what you are saying.

[๖ReS]

So... we shouldn't make things anymore...

I watched 7 minutes of this and I now know that breast milk is more toxic than drinking Mercury.

Also.

Your pillow will kill you with neurotoxins...

- *Res used "Ember"*

- It's not very effective...

- *Pillow used "Neurotoxin!"*

- Its' SUPER EFFECTIVE !

- *Res fainted*

[ZERO]

OMG you will never guess what broke on the news today! Remember the music I quoted yesterday from the Nazis and recall my rant about the state trying to replace god well here is what we get from the lyrics of Jesus Loves the Little Children:
bDDCRe_QzuM

Oh that second song sounds familiar:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Battle_Hymn_of_the_Republic.jpg

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

most of the people who posted in this thread are crazy, or yet, paranoid.

America has been running pretty good for the last few hundred years... There's no way it's going to change any time soon. Why make it our problem.

Future generations will be more easy to influence and more lazy.

30-40 years ago not as good as techonolgy, less lazy of a population and had to find more productive ways to spend time. The technology that they had influence them pretty radically. The LSD era? hardly any technology. Mostly cars, movies, tv, radios.

Eventually sticker and more complicated laws...and so forth.

[ZERO]

Yea my car has been running pretty good, I wonder if I run it into a wall what will happen but if it has been working up until now I doubt that hitting a 10ft thick stone wall at 200mph will have any effect, besides all those potholes did not do anything. Although turning has become strangely difficult...

[Breezy]

Apparently this video has been shown in schools across this nation:


The blatant propaganda in this video and the total disregard for truth or facts is utterly disgraceful. Who in there right mind would ever show this to a young group of people and then tell them that it is a fact!

I believe that anyone who would show children this propaganda should be banned from teaching for violating basic principles of ethics.

This is outrageous that children have been exposed within the public school system to such madness. What is next, having children be told that the founding fathers are nuts and that we should follow the likes of Chavez and Ahmadineja!?

Yeah, I made a lot of jokes when I watched this video. I had to watch it Freshman year, and just laughed at how rediculous it was. Yay, for a parent who knows what's up.

[Sin]

OMG you will never guess what broke on the news today! Remember the music I quoted yesterday from the Nazis and recall my rant about the state trying to replace god well here is what we get from the lyrics of Jesus Loves the Little Children:
bDDCRe_QzuM

Oh that second song sounds familiar:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Battle_Hymn_of_the_Republic.jpg

Holy shit... that school is about 15 minutes from me.

I thought that was pretty cool. xD

And Getcha... I love your downs. Can I haz sum?

[loka]

Yeah too bad you missed the point where they locked down school because of bomb threats. Most likely made by some nutcase Christian. Is that really what we teach our children? Intolerance cause your not able to use the word Jesus. My uncles name is Jesus... but i just call him Tito.

btw your stupid cuzo.

[ImGonnaGetCha]

And Getcha... I love your downs. Can I haz sum?

Oh Now I Have Down Syndrome!!!! Lawlz What's Next!?!?! :stupid:

[yours' truely]

Getcha, do you seriously press shift everytime you capitalize the first and sometimes other letters in a word... for ever word?



Castro, is not in a more positive light. The only thing that has changed is the people who believe in his ideology have grown in power and influence. Mussolini was also cast in a "good" light by early progressives (ironically the same people who love Castro so much). It was not until he allied with Hitler that he suddenly way bad. (well not his ideas, just him?)
the spin that makes everyones' statements true is perspective. Seeing these ppl as bad/evil is the general US perspective while other perspectives may be the opposite. I'm sure that the people that have come to power and influence that you've refered to are changing their target's perspective.


Remember that at the end of the day the only thing that matter is what the TRUTH is. If our nation is to remain it must stay founded in principles and facts not lies and deception.On a more philisophical lvl... Who can really say what is true? The majority gets to decide what's true and the minority will get labled as false.


Also, just to point out...
I'm not saying anything you say is wrong, I'm just pointing out possible different views and I'm not an expert in anyway so take what I say at your own value.

[ZERO]

No I did not hear of the threats made against the school. That is even more outrageous! The children are innocent and on top of that violence will not solve anything. Send complaints to the school and messages to the government but not bombs or violence. Resorting to violence is just, if not more evil than taking advantage of children!

[๖ReS]

Oh Now I Have Down Syndrome!!!! Lawlz What's Next!?!?! :stupid:

Cancer.

[ZERO]

With regard to truth, once again Truth is a fact that is governed by reality. It is a fact that gravity holds us to the earth, that I am sitting in a chair that electricity powers my lights. Another example of truth; "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." As I have said many times before the truth is what stands along as our founding fathers put it "self-evident". Truth may be covered up by the cloak of evil and deception however it does not remove it from existence, and long after the ones holding on so tightly to the cloak have vanished the truth will still remain. In a world surrounded by so many cloaks it may be difficult to locate the wizard of oz but that does not mean that he is not there.

Two great quotes that I have always remembered ever since childhood:
"The truth points to itself" -Kosh
"No one here is exactly what they appear" -G'Kar

Also yes those seriously are from an old tv show. A joke I sometimes tell myself: all the knowledge in the word with no wisdom is the perfect definition of a knowledgeable fool they may know everything but they are no more useful than a book. Logically this leads people to say well knowledge is all over but where can wisdom be found? Well the best part of wisdom is that you require nothing but yourself! Knowledge you learn but wisdom you practice.

Interestingly enough the activity we are engaged in right now is one that propagates wisdom. Although it is gained though you it can always be nurtured though intelligent discourse. "And isn't it a bad thing to be deceived about the truth, and a good thing to know what the truth is? For I assume that by knowing the truth you mean knowing things as they really are." (Plato)

I end with yet another quote so sum up my statements, also note that I found these quotes after writing my response and thus my previous statements are not based off these quotes but my own personal understanding of the issue in question. I will say however that these are some powerful quotes that probably do a better job at the answer than my own words ever could.

"Somebody who only reads newspapers and at best books of contemporary authors looks to me like an extremely near-sighted person who scorns eyeglasses. He is completely dependent on the prejudices and fashions of his times, since he never gets to see or hear anything else. And what a person thinks on his own without being stimulated by the thoughts and experiences of other people is even in the best case rather paltry and monotonous. There are only a few enlightened people with a lucid mind and style and with good taste within a century. What has been preserved of their work belongs among the most precious possessions of mankind. We owe it to a few writers of antiquity (Plato, Aristotle, etc.) that the people in the Middle Ages could slowly extricate themselves from the superstitions and ignorance that had darkened life for more than half a millennium. Nothing is more needed to overcome the modernist's snobbishness." (Albert Einstein, 1954)

[Mallissin]

I just went down every point she makes to refute, but the freaking session ran-out and I had to relog in. So, since I'm using IE 8, it didn't fucking save my post like Firefox would. Fifty minutes of work down the tubes, thanks Microsuck.

Anyway, most of what she says is bullshit, painting the rest of society as mindless drones, slaves to corporations, etc. Typical hippy bullshit.

Meanwhile, she's scaring kids into thinking the thin film of metal in their juice boxes are destroying the world.

You have to be a monster to lay this shit on the mind of a child.

[Vladninja]

I just went down every point she makes to refute, but the freaking session ran-out and I had to relog in. So, since I'm using IE 8, it didn't fucking save my post like Firefox would. Fifty minutes of work down the tubes, thanks Microsuck.

Anyway, most of what she says is bullshit, painting the rest of society as mindless drones, slaves to corporations, etc. Typical hippy bullshit.

Meanwhile, she's scaring kids into thinking the thin film of metal in their juice boxes are destroying the world.

You have to be a monster to lay this shit on the mind of a child.

+1 :wtg:

[ImGonnaGetCha]

I just went down every point she makes to refute, but the freaking session ran-out and I had to relog in. So, since I'm using IE 8, it didn't fucking save my post like Firefox would. Fifty minutes of work down the tubes, thanks Microsuck.

Anyway, most of what she says is bullshit, painting the rest of society as mindless drones, slaves to corporations, etc. Typical hippy bullshit.

Meanwhile, she's scaring kids into thinking the thin film of metal in their juice boxes are destroying the world.

You have to be a monster to lay this shit on the mind of a child.

Smartest Thing I've Heard You Say In Awhile
+1 :wtg:

And Yours Truely, Yeah I Actually Do Lawlz

[yours' truely]

"No one here is exactly what they appear" -G'Kar
OMG!!! babylon5! I'm a big fan. time loops, shadows, and parent races....




And Yours Truely, Yeah I Actually Do Lawlz
lol, most ppl's space bar wears out first... i'll put money that your shift key will.

[walterbrunswick]

OMG!!! babylon5! I'm a big fan. time loops, shadows, and parent races....


lol, most ppl's space bar wears out first... i'll put money that your shift key will.

Actually, at that rate they will wear out evenly.

The pattern is SPACE SHIFT <LETTER(S)> SPACE SHIFT <LETTER(S)> SPACE SHIFT <LETTER(S)> etc...

Then just file 'er down, lower the depth gauges, and she'll be sharp as new :icon_mrgreen:

[uuntiltheendd]

aT lEaSt sHe DoEsNt TyPe LiKe ThIs..

@mallissin:+1

[walterbrunswick]

aT lEaSt sHe DoEsNt TyPe LiKe ThIs..

@mallissin:+1

I don't understand why some girls do that? Does it make them cool?

[uuntiltheendd]

I don't understand why some girls do that? Does it make them cool?

pshya. and super sexy on top of that.