I need to stay as far away from Hallwagner as I can

[Mrs. Xen_Warrior]

I usually play off and on all day and everyone usually follows the rules and whatnot until Hallwagner gets on.

He doesn't follow rules and gets players hyped up and spams with them so then they don't want to listen to admins.

For the past couple hours we couldn't get them to stop arguing about politics and religion bc hallwagner was one of the people joining in.

Then I get off to eat and return and Hall is calling Kaew an admin abuser because he muted Ghostman and Pappaya, the two people who I had been muting off and on earlier because they were joining in on Halls antics.

I'm just really tired of him, he ruins all the fun in everything.

[Mrs. Xen_Warrior]

Wierd thing is, I like him as a player before all this. Now it's like hes been on crack for the past two weeks.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

I suggest you PM Zero. This jerkoff won't be here long if he persists to be a what ? A Jerkoff.

[Rage]

SCREEN ADMINS! There may be a little loss in profit, but you will undoubtedly have more players sticking around the servers, more regulars which will in turn, pay for itself.

Hallwagner has become a huge nuisence to the IBIS servers. I used to enjoy playing with him as well, but ever since he got admin, he has turned into quite the bastard. Its another Dog brother #1...

[Mrs. Xen_Warrior]

I suggest you PM Zero. This jerkoff won't be here long if he persists to be a what ? A Jerkoff.

I know, I need to get a good demo of him. I have been saving some of the chat when he is slaying people and blinding people and such.

[Psycho Mantis]

Why does this feel like elitism? I like the people that play here, but.... some of the admins are becoming to butt hurt when someone doesn't agree with them.

I'm not going to say Hallwagner is perfect because he is far from it, but.... I think some of the admins here need to just chill out and quit taking everything so personal. It's creating a hostile environment.

Alot of people, including myself, actually like Hallwagner as an admin. Sure he plays around, but when it comes down to doing something, he does get it done immeditely, at least from what i've seen.

This thread on it's own, seems just like a thread to hate on Hallwagner, that isn't really fair. Though Xen, you may be upset... sometimes it's best to not openly display things like this.

[Jeimuzu]

Psycho, I agree with you that some of us need to just chill out, but I've asked Hallwagner on multiple occasions to behave. Just like on the forums there is a time and place for everything in-game. Being racist, arguing about religion and politics, and various things regarding the sorts isn't something I would recommend doing. Muting and kicking other admins isn't a smart idea either.

What do I want to happen to Hallwagner? I want him to get along with everyone and behave. We should all know that everyone starts somewhere, but if he is doing any of this intentionally, it does need to be dealt with. Especially if it is disrupting the server and gameplay.

@Xen Write down the time he abuses. Zero can look at the admin log for him.

[Christmas]

Hey Xen, it would help if you put this thread in the right fucking place.

[Mrs. Xen_Warrior]

Why does this feel like elitism? I like the people that play here, but.... some of the admins are becoming to butt hurt when someone doesn't agree with them.

I'm not going to say Hallwagner is perfect because he is far from it, but.... I think some of the admins here need to just chill out and quit taking everything so personal. It's creating a hostile environment.

Alot of people, including myself, actually like Hallwagner as an admin. Sure he plays around, but when it comes down to doing something, he does get it done immeditely, at least from what i've seen.

This thread on it's own, seems just like a thread to hate on Hallwagner, that isn't really fair. Though Xen, you may be upset... sometimes it's best to not openly display things like this.

I, up until the past few days, just ignored everything that he did and felt bad about the posts that were going up about him. But he responds in the posts that he is going to calm down and then doesn't.

I get that hes just "joking" around when he does these things but when he gets serious and starts calling other admins abusers it really pisses me off because he seems to be the poster child right now.

[Mrs. Xen_Warrior]

Hey Xen, it would help if you put this thread in the right fucking place.

I'm sorry?

[Psycho Mantis]

I, up until the past few days, just ignored everything that he did and felt bad about the posts that were going up about him. But he responds in the posts that he is going to calm down and then doesn't.

I get that hes just "joking" around when he does these things but when he gets serious and starts calling other admins abusers it really pisses me off because he seems to be the poster child right now.


Well some of the admins are abusers. You're obviously better friends with them then Hall, so of course you'd take offense to that. It's only natural, but the point is... he does call them out on things that should be called out on.

Otherwise if everyone is just patting eachother on the back, nothing gets done.

[Christmas]

I'm sorry?

Just...you know...take a few extra seconds to figure out where your thread should be going.

[Mrs. Xen_Warrior]

Just...you know...take a few extra seconds to figure out where your thread should be going.

Ok will do

[Mrs. Xen_Warrior]

Well some of the admins are abusers. You're obviously better friends with them then Hall, so of course you'd take offense to that. It's only natural, but the point is... he does call them out on things that should be called out on.

Otherwise if everyone is just patting eachother on the back, nothing gets done.

This is actually a really good point, i'm not good at admitting that i'm wrong but when I saw him calling Kaew an admin abuser I got really mad and made this post haha.

I don't take back anything I said about what he does because he does over use his powers but if I had taken a breath I probably wouldnt have posted this lol.

[Psycho Mantis]

Anyways, this is going to be my last post in this thread... it's very negative and i'd rather not affiliate with negativity.

Something we all can agree on is... alot of the players and admins need to just chill out, take an hour break or so from the server and then come back on. We can ALL agree on that one.

The next thing is, posts like this, should be kept too themselves, no matter how angry you get, it's just inciting for a flame war and more seperation, if you have a problem with an admin or player, post the logs or video. Not much to say on that.

I'm not an admin, but I still feel like I have a right to speak my opinion, which I was told the players respect the admins and vice versa. But most problems in communities stem from admin's attacking eachother.

You have to remember, we're all different people with different lives, occupations, views, religions ect. There are bound to be clashes and rivalaries, sometimes segregating it isn't the answer.

It's okay to disagree with someone, but to be persecuted for disagreeing is when it becomes a problem. Admins, understand Hallwagner is more of a free spirit and not really "apart of the team" that you guys are on.

He looks at it in his own views which makes him right, but at the same time, you guys are right for looking at it on your own views as well. So I would like to suggest a few ideas that could solve admin problems, and this whole problem with Hallwagner, so we can finally move on.


A) Perhaps set admin times, for when you play the role as an administrator, for example. "Psycho Mantis, you are an admin for at 4:00 - 2:30 AM."

Now let me post the pro's and cons.

Con's:
-What if an admin isn't online at that time? We need constat admins!
-That really makes me not want to pay for admin if it's limited...
-It's just not fair, if I pay monthly I deserve my full time!

Pro's:
-This will keep admin hostility at a minimum
-This will keep players from turning to admins to help them out instead of dealing with the admin in charge.
-This will keep players playing while the admins can admin. So both get turns equally.

B) Giving Administrators less freedom, to kick and ban when they please.

Pro's and Con's.

Cons:
-Sometimes they won't be able to kick or ban when it's really needed.
-They might have to wait for hours for the guy to start fucking up again.

Pros:
-Less admin abuse.
-Less complaints against admins




The point is, there are many ways to stop these sort of things from happening. Though, what is the perfect equal grounds to help all these different people to really be able to work together?

I don't think Hall should be removed for his political, religious views, since that is human nature to talk about these things and be involved. In fact, it's HEALTHY to discuss these things, but I believe that it should be kept at a point of... well... a healthy discussion. When things start turning bad, an admin SHOULD WARN and not just mute because he doesn't like it.


Though there is a big difference with satire and blatant racism. I think some of the admins should know when people are joking and when they are serious, instead of just outlawing it all together. It'll be like the War on Drugs, it'll never end.

Though the constant racial remarks is a very difficult thing to maintain. You have people coming in with racist names and satirical racist names. It's amusing to some and offensive to others. So where is the balance?

The balance truly is up to that person. Now we want the community to be a healthy one right? Well we should give it room to breathe and not constrained. Or we can go back to the system of kindgergarden, "If you don't have something nice to say, it's best not to say it at all."

I wish the latter was still in effect, but that isn't the real world. Too keep things peaceful we have to be healthy and discuss instead of, "Admin first, discussion second."

All admins are guilty of that procedure from my experience. Now, I say that you guys drop this whole thing, discuss it with Hall in some sort of meeting, that when you guys are online, you don't want to hear those type of things. That way it's fair, it's reasonable and it's healthy for the community.

This is all I have to say on this.

[tupacs cousin]

why didnt kaew post this? scared of hall?

[KɅΞW]

You called?

And why should I be scared of Hall?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

yeah, psycho...i'm not reading that.

hall, you need to seriously chill the fuck out. you were fun to play against, until you got admin. admin doesn't mean you can do and say as you please. it means you're supposed to be an example for the rest of the community.

[Christmas]

Am I the only one who hasn't had a huge problem with Hall?

Granted I haven't played ZM much but still.

[maynard]

Am I the only one who hasn't had a huge problem with Hall?

Granted I haven't played ZM much but still.

never seen the guy in game.

[Jeimuzu]

Psycho Mantis, I love you.

With that said, the only problem I see with Hallwagner and his free spirit is that it may go rampant eventually. If he can't prove that by choice he can be controlled when he doesn't need to be, then what will it be like when he does?

As I said, there is a time and a place for everything, just like on the forums.. And yes Xen, I tried to hint it.. The thread isn't in the right place, unless this was genuinely a discussion, which is what it has turned out to be..

Anyway, I have nothing against admins who want to have a fun time.. In fact, I encourage it.. But there is a wrong and a right way of doing it, along with a right and wrong time..

Late at night when all the kids went to bed, me, hobo, a bunch of other admins/regulars would be on until 4 am having a blast just screwing around. Do that now and you would definitely get called out for in a negative way..

[Swifcfer]

Hallwagner is awesome. Psychos right Admins do need to chill. Being an admin does mean your suppose to keep the servers fun and make sure everyone is having a good time and take charge. Just because you have admin does not meen you have to be an up tight bossy jerk off. Hallwagner sure he does admin abuse, but its been a couple of times im sure all admins have. You can see that he slays people but he could do it because hes there friend and joking around with them. I personaly think hes doing good as admin because he keeps the servers fun :)

[tupacs cousin]

You called?

And why should I be scared of Hall?

cause hallwagner is more man than you will ever be .. literally

[brentidge]

get the sand outa your pussy's everyone wagner is cool

[KɅΞW]

cause hallwagner is more man than you will ever be .. literally

This is why I ignore Hall, because flaming is all he does.

And I could careless how much more of a man he is than me, because frankly, it doesn't affect my life in anyway.

[Christmas]

never seen the guy in game.

Cause you are a WCS whore, silly. :icon_mrgreen:

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

does hall try to pick up underage women?

if so, i see this escalating to another walter indecent


im scurred )=

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

ive never had a problem with him before.

That being said, has he been hack or ect...

I've known him quite some time and he's never been a problem.

[Rage]

He was cool shit until he got his mic and admin. From there, he has gone downhill fast. Some stuff is fun, but the majority of his 'jokes' are pathetic and really set a bad example.

[Clone]

I suggest you PM Zero. This jerkoff won't be here long if he persists to be a what ? A Jerkoff.

reminds me of someone i know....

Clone

[XxMastagunzxX]

Ms. Xen if you want to make peace with Christmas all you have to do is offer him chocolate.

[KɅΞW]

He was cool shit until he got his mic and admin. From there, he has gone downhill fast. Some stuff is fun, but the majority of his 'jokes' are pathetic and really set a bad example.

I completely agreed with Rage. Hall managed to cut down his misuse of admin power, but his behavior and attitude still set a bad example and reflects poorly on the server admins.

[Christmas]

reminds me of someone i know....

Clone

I resent that attack on my character.

[Clone]

I resent that attack on my character.

lol your a different kind of jerk... the good kind that makes adults cry and children smile :D

Clone

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

reminds me of someone i know....

Clone

The fat ugly kid speaks...

[OnEyEdMaN]

Hall..!!..didnt i told you to keep your brother away from the computer.?

[TheLittlestHobo]

So far a 4 page spread and Hallwagner has yet to speak.

James, we had some good times hahahaa! We tend to goof off once in a while, but we take the rules seriously nonetheless. I put up a ton loads of votequestions and James likes to kick it up with music. If any...and i mean ANY player asks us to stop, we do so willingly and apologize.

We also tend to go on spectate just to monitor rounds and keep an eye out for rule breaking. Hell, we also even look out for people that ask for beacons and we do it almost immediately upon request.

What's the point? Nothing really...I just wanted to say that the era when me and James would make it to top10 together, those were the upmost epic and memorable times.

I guess the point is to fool around if you will, but never forget the golden rule:

"Treat others as you would like to be treated". It's pretty simple.

Shout outs to Mastagunz, mag36, anex, res, holy, evl_ripper, ceiling_cat, ImGonnaGetCha, Christmas, Aztec, man...so many many others who were with us...oh and Crim, Chase, terracotta pie, Kavinsky, even walter, etc...we made some golden times together...at least when I was around...oh and CrazyDart, Potato, CURDY!!!! (fuck almost forgot him...), Sonicno...gee...I miss most of these people!

[mag36]

Those were great times HOBO its what got me hooked to IBIS. Maybe we can get it back that way :icon_mrgreen:



He was cool shit until he got his mic and admin. From there, he has gone downhill fast.

But far as Hallwagner I goes I can agree with you there. Last night we had some german kid playn in zm that apparently didnt understand much english. And wagner an scubasteve were having him repeat curse words and stuff Like "I Fuck your SHIT" Which I admit the first 10min it was kinda funny but, after a while going on and on its just becomes mean. I know this cause we always gets guys that make fun of my voice. And me and owns both told wagner "ok its enough" but it kept going on, so ultimately Owns had muted the german kid since we are not allowed to stop an Admin.

Wagner I love playing with you man but sometimes you take things to far.

[Scrubbleboo]

Every time I steer away from this forum a new thread of drama lulls me back in. Damn you fuckers. It really wasn't worth reading though. :SLEEP:

[Clone]

The fat ugly kid speaks...

not much of a kid anymore.. but you only speak big cause ur online so i understand why ur being an asshole..

Clone

[Rage]

Those were great times HOBO its what got me hooked to IBIS. Maybe we can get it back that way :icon_mrgreen:




But far as Hallwagner I goes I can agree with you there. Last night we had some german kid playn in zm that apparently didnt understand much english. And wagner an scubasteve were having him repeat curse words and stuff Like "I Fuck your SHIT" Which I admit the first 10min it was kinda funny but, after a while going on and on its just becomes mean. I know this cause we always gets guys that make fun of my voice. And me and owns both told wagner "ok its enough" but it kept going on, so ultimately Owns had muted the german kid since we are not allowed to stop an Admin.

Wagner I love playing with you man but sometimes you take things to far.

I've asked him to stop several things and he just calls me a fucking faggot etc etc.

And Hobo, I have my fun too, why just the other day on abandoned down, i firebombed myself in a over crowded small room. Granted I threw up a vote and got all the admins ok's before i did so, it was still fun!

Btw that german kid was in this morning haha still saying the same stuff. And coupas, a new admin, talked to me this morning about hallwagner slaying people all last night. I told him to record anything he see's and save console logs and send it to James, but idk if he quite understood what I meant.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

not much of a kid anymore.. but you only speak big cause ur online so i understand why ur being an asshole..

Clone

Ok Fat and Ugly....LMAO !!

[Clone]

Ok Fat and Ugly....LMAO !!

so immature... :wtg:

Clone

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Ok Fat and Ugly....LMAO !!

just so we're clear, are we talking fat as in lisa sparxx fat?
or fat as in gabriel iglesias fat?

[TheLittlestHobo]

We're talking Star Jones diva fat.

[XxMastagunzxX]

We're talking Star Jones diva fat.

May god be with us...

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

what about rosie odonald fat?

[Clone]

Cartman fat :D

http://www.layoutlocator.com/graphics/dldimg/4afac0d8a359a45477cb927a1bb4a7f1_cartman-2521.gif

Clone

[DrTran]

just so we're clear, are we talking fat as in lisa sparxx fat?
or fat as in gabriel iglesias fat?

Gabriel Iglesias is not fat, he's fluffy -_-

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Gabriel Iglesias is not fat, he's fluffy -_-

relatively though. that's what i meant

[KɅΞW]

You should know, there are 6 levels of fatness
-Big
-Healthy
-Husky
-Fluffy
-DAMN!
-Oh HELL NO!

[Mrs. Xen_Warrior]

ahahahahaha oh hell no hahahhahaha

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

You should know, there are 6 levels of fatness
-Big
-Healthy
-Husky
-Fluffy
-DAMN!
-Oh HELL NO!

you forgot pleasantly plump

[Pink]

I been playing with hell the past few days he use to be an reg and hes a nice guy. Sure he little weird but arnt we all? Spamming?????? I havent seen thats at all why is there all this hate for him?

[mag36]

you forgot pleasantly plump

Dont Forget Truffle Shuffle
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[Lt Pancakes]

Personally in games I've been in with him hes been somewhat crazy but not to the point of abusing really. We don't go around calling everyone a racial slur or something he just gets some of us riled up. Unfortunately my mic is broken so i can't embark in his fun adventures of screaming and ranting. Only place i have seen him is in GG- Other then that hes never on another server but i haven'y played pub in a while anyway. Instead of ranting on and on about this why doesn't someone tell him? Sorry if someone already has only read two pages in and felt the need to comment.

[Christmas]

Dont Forget Truffle Shuffle
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That's a dance, not a fatness.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

hahahhhahahaahahah

[hallwagner]

Those were great times HOBO its what got me hooked to IBIS. Maybe we can get it back that way :icon_mrgreen:




But far as Hallwagner I goes I can agree with you there. Last night we had some german kid playn in zm that apparently didnt understand much english. And wagner an scubasteve were having him repeat curse words and stuff Like "I Fuck your SHIT" Which I admit the first 10min it was kinda funny but, after a while going on and on its just becomes mean. I know this cause we always gets guys that make fun of my voice. And me and owns both told wagner "ok its enough" but it kept going on, so ultimately Owns had muted the german kid since we are not allowed to stop an Admin.

Wagner I love playing with you man but sometimes you take things to far.

bahahaha i cant believe i didnt comment/flame this thread :P lol i guess there were too many to keep track of. anyways that russian kid started it, and he was fucking hilarious. omfg i even friend requested him. scuba steve and i are just waiting for the glorious day he comes back to zm. anywho, i guess this thread and my comment are completely irrelevant now, since i no longer have admin ;)

[DeadEyeDeNNi$]

bahahaha i cant believe i didnt comment/flame this thread :P lol i guess there were too many to keep track of. anyways that russian kid started it, and he was fucking hilarious. omfg i even friend requested him. scuba steve and i are just waiting for the glorious day he comes back to zm. anywho, i guess this thread and my comment are completely irrelevant now, since i no longer have admin ;)

Amazing what admin does to some people =/

Anyway, DR. Heal thyself!!! You were a pretty good guy once upon a time, no reason that you can't be once again.

IMO you deserve another chance as all should as there are people that DO learn from their mistakes.

Maybe I'm going out on a limb here but... WB doctor Hallwagner, nice to have you back again instead of that terrible impersonator that was here for awhile!

:smirk: :smirk: :smirk:

[hallwagner]

Amazing what admin does to some people =/

Anyway, DR. Heal thyself!!! You were a pretty good guy once upon a time, no reason that you can't be once again.

IMO you deserve another chance as all should as there are people that DO learn from their mistakes.

Maybe I'm going out on a limb here but... WB doctor Hallwagner, nice to have you back again instead of that terrible impersonator that was here for awhile!

:smirk: :smirk: :smirk:

sorry, but dr wagner had a little problem with some malpractice lawsuits. anyways no more doctoring for me, just an honorary md!

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

sorry, but dr wagner had a little problem with some malpractice lawsuits. anyways no more doctoring for me, just an honorary md!

is this because you wear a helmet? or your extremely severe social disorder.

[hallwagner]

is this because you wear a helmet? or your extremely severe social disorder.

no, its because of the joy i recieve in needlessly hurting people

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

no, its because of the joy i recieve in needlessly hurting people

so a severe social disorder

[hallwagner]

so a severe social disorder

well if you put it that way, yes. even my friends enjoy it!

[Mrs. Xen_Warrior]

Lol Ghostman whatever happened to him?

[hallwagner]

Lol Ghostman whatever happened to him?

LOL, idk he hasnt been on steam for 20 days or so. btw this wasnt ghostman, it was some 12 year old russian kid that kept repeating "fuck your shit" and me and scuba steve thought he was hilarious, so we kept encouraging him for like 5 hours. haahhaha

[Rob]

LOL, idk he hasnt been on steam for 20 days or so. btw this wasnt ghostman, it was some 12 year old russian kid that kept repeating "fuck your shit" and me and scuba steve thought he was hilarious, so we kept encouraging him for like 5 hours. haahhaha

I remember that shit.
he was fucking hilarious.

"I'LL FUCK YO SHIT!"
and we'd just laugh. probably him wondering why.

[Jeimuzu]

Old thread is old..

[hallwagner]

Old thread is old..

youre old james

[mcilwain]

Wow, hes still causing shit....

Just get rid of him...

[hallwagner]

Wow, hes still causing shit....

Just get rid of him...

LOL robert comes on the forums and thinks this is a current thread, what a noob. we're just having fun making fun of "benchic"

[uuntiltheendd]

Hey Xen, it would help if you put this thread in the right fucking place.
this is why i love you christmas.

[HfG≈๖ۣۜÇĄŖŅĄĢĘ]

I'm sorry?

Double Post much?


As for Wagner, yea hes a goofball but hey, who in our community doesnt fuck around at all? NO ONE. I think you guys are being way too harsh on wagner when he isn't a bad admin at all. He handles all the noobs and assholes of the servers with the corresponding ban/mute. I play almost EVERYDAY on ZM and Wagner hasn't showed any ignorance when im on...I actually enjoy playing ZM with him.:wtg:

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Double Post much?


As for Wagner, yea hes a goofball but hey, who in our community doesnt fuck around at all? NO ONE. I think you guys are being way too harsh on wagner when he isn't a bad admin at all. He handles all the noobs and assholes of the servers with the corresponding ban/mute. I play almost EVERYDAY on ZM and Wagner hasn't showed any ignorance when im on...I actually enjoy playing ZM with him.:wtg:

because he don't have admin