Clusterfuck in the making

[ZERO]

So as some of you know my main monitor recently showed some signs of its 10 year old age. Unfortunately technology has decreased in the last 10 years resulting in a world with no suitable replacement for the display which years ago was a few grand. As a result it should be no surprise that obtaining something worthy as a replacement would be costly. Luckily I found a reasonable display the W3000H (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005115) with a low 12-17ms input lag. However it may be worth just paying the hundred or so extra for the dell model with the <8ms input lag being closer to my crt 0ms input lag.

Input lag aside the "upgrade/downgrade" has created another problem, grafix card... to display at the correct resolution I must use both my gpu inputs for one display however I still need one for my secondary monitor (yes I need 2 monitors) so I need to also buy another gpu just to use this!

So basically I can estimate that if my main monitor fails it will cost me about $2000 to replace it! :violin:

Now on this note a new strategy will be implemented, everyone is to pray very very hard that this monitor NEVER dies :wtg:

Below is a for fun pro and con list of the clusterfuck that will someday occur:

Pros:
Larger screen size
Greater productivity
Higher Resolution
Better picture
Better grafix
Higher fps (result of buying a second and faster gpu in order to have 2 so that I can have a secondary monitor)
chicks dig big screen and high res!? :lmao:

Cons:
$2000
$2000
$2000
Input Lag
Lower Response Time
Lag
$2000
Possibility of dead pixels
Destruction of savings account
Loss of things $2000 could have been spent on like booz and hookers?!
$2000, just fucking crazy :reddot:

[Hitman]

So as some of you know my main monitor recently showed some signs of its 10 year old age. Unfortunately technology has decreased in the last 10 years resulting in a world with no suitable replacement for the display which years ago was a few grand. As a result it should be no surprise that obtaining something worthy as a replacement would be costly. Luckily I found a reasonable display the W3000H (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005115) with a low 12-17ms input lag. However it may be worth just paying the hundred or so extra for the dell model with the <8ms input lag being closer to my crt 0ms input lag.

Input lag aside the "upgrade/downgrade" has created another problem, grafix card... to display at the correct resolution I must use both my gpu inputs for one display however I still need one for my secondary monitor (yes I need 2 monitors) so I need to also buy another gpu just to use this!

So basically I can estimate that if my main monitor fails it will cost me about $2000 to replace it! :violin:

Now on this note a new strategy will be implemented, everyone is to pray very very hard that this monitor NEVER dies :wtg:

Below is a for fun pro and con list of the clusterfuck that will someday occur:

Pros:
Larger screen size
Greater productivity
Higher Resolution
Better picture
Better grafix
Higher fps (result of buying a second and faster gpu in order to have 2 so that I can have a secondary monitor)
chicks dig big screen and high res!? :lmao:

Cons:
$2000
$2000
$2000
Input Lag
Lower Response Time
Lag
$2000
Possibility of dead pixels
Destruction of savings account
Loss of things $2000 could have been spent on like booz and hookers?!
$2000, just fucking crazy :reddot:

Come to NYC and I can guarantee that I can find anything you need here without paying

[Perry]

maybe i can find cheaper over here too zero. On Base you see alot of people leaving for deployment selling things. (i.e car, computers, wives...etc)

just let me know what you want in Normal person jargin lol!

[ZERO]

Actually if it ever happens you may be able to get me a 22" widescreen that has a swivel base for portrait mode. I will need this as a secondary monitor so I just need what ever I can find the cheapest. I will half to remember to pm you if my shit ever breaks lol

[Rapedollar$]

Cons:
Loss of things $2000 could have been spent on like booz and hookers?!


that is a HUGE con.

/prays for zero's monitor/lottery ticket

[Rage]

So what Zero is saying here is this:

Admin subscriptions shall rise to the price of $15/month to pay for the cocaine and alcohol he will need whilst dealing with such a problem as this.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

So what Zero is saying here is this:

Admin subscriptions shall rise to the price of $15/month to pay for the cocaine and alcohol he will need whilst dealing with such a problem as this.

well, once i get a job this summer i'll still pay that, but for right now i'm getting 2 months via a friend.

or at least that's the plan last i heard...

[StarsMine]

Wait I see nothing on that moniter that would mean you need 2 DVIs per moniter. also.. thats a 27.5 Inch on 30" You cant have a screen larger then the dimensions, that's just silly. 27.6" x 20.7" x 10.6"

[maynard]

Come to NYC and I can guarantee that I can find anything you need here without paying

lmfao... epic.

[ZERO]

Wait I see nothing on that moniter that would mean you need 2 DVIs per moniter. also.. thats a 27.5 Inch on 30" You cant have a screen larger then the dimensions, that's just silly. 27.6" x 20.7" x 10.6"

The fact that it is 2560x1600 tells me it is dual dvi according to the dvi spec. Also all 30" monitors are basically those dimensions. Bolth issues can be confirmed by the 3007WFP-HC which is the other screen I am considering b/c while a few hundred it has 50% less input lag.

[StarsMine]

The fact that it is 2560x1600 tells me it is dual dvi according to the dvi spec. Also all 30" monitors are basically those dimensions. Bolth issues can be confirmed by the 3007WFP-HC which is the other screen I am considering b/c while a few hundred it has 50% less input lag.

Well I dont see how you will plug in two DVIs into a moniter with one DVI port, You just need to use a dual link, thats still just one DVI though.

[OnEyEdMaN]

Actually if it ever happens you may be able to get me a 22" widescreen that has a swivel base for portrait mode. I will need this as a secondary monitor so I just need what ever I can find the cheapest. I will half to remember to pm you if my shit ever breaks lol

i got mine for 65 bucks:assault: it may not have the same resolution but 1680 x 1050 is just right for me woot.

[ZERO]

Oh it is impossible to buy a 22" with the same resolution as the 30" they do not exist. But I can force a higher one and have it scaled down so it looks the same size. It is not as if I care about great quality on the secondary monitor. I just need it b/c it makes it easier to work on things.

[Rage]

Just buy a Insignia 32" flat screen tv. It has everything so it doubles as a PC monitor. With the LCD/HD it makes a wicked sick monitor.

[StarsMine]

Just buy a Insignia 32" flat screen tv. It has everything so it doubles as a PC monitor. With the LCD/HD it makes a wicked sick monitor.

1920 x 1080 or 2560 x 1600, unless you are going to be 20 feet away from your monitor, you buy a monitor, not a TV

The whole HD thing is sortof bullshit when computer monitors have been "HD" or greater since the mid 90s.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

1920 x 1080 or 2560 x 1600, unless you are going to be 20 feet away from your monitor, you buy a monitor, not a TV

The whole HD thing is sortof bullshit when computer monitors have been "HD" or greater since the mid 90s.

with the tv, i'm sure you could scale it in such a way that you don't use the full screen when it's acting as the comp. monitor, but do use it when you wish to watch tv.

[StarsMine]

with the tv, i'm sure you could scale it in such a way that you don't use the full screen when it's acting as the comp. monitor, but do use it when you wish to watch tv.

And make the resolution smaller?
A tv only has so many pixles

[acolyte_to_jippity]

And make the resolution smaller?
A tv only has so many pixles

your previous ppost made it sem the problem w/ the tv was the size of the screen, while i said you could possibly make the comp. display on only a section of the screen (so as to not make it over-huge). and anyway, a 32' tv's maximum resolution would probably be too big anyway, so reduceing the resolution for when it's in comp mode should be fine. essentially, running at 1280x800 would be reduceing the resolution, yet that's still a perfectly acceptable resolution

[ZERO]

I actually do not care that much about the res, it is the speed and color that are important. On that note every TV is ruled out except for plasma. The tech used in lcd tv is a joke compared to real monitors. The screens I am looking at are using ips panels and require virtually no input lag. Most LCD screens have terrible input lag over 30+ms and use crappy TN panels.

[StarsMine]

anything less then 5ms is gravy

[Rage]

Thats pretty similar to the flatscreen i got. The color is and contrast is god blessed unreal. Sounds good too.
Personly, I am not into all that crazy spec stuff. But this tv is awesome as a pc monitor.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia%26%23174%3B+-+32%22+Class+/+1080p+/+120Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9588387.p?id=1218131058370&skuId=9588387

[StarsMine]

Thats pretty similar to the flatscreen i got. The color is and contrast is god blessed unreal. Sounds good too.
Personly, I am not into all that crazy spec stuff. But this tv is awesome as a pc monitor.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Insignia%26%23174%3B+-+32%22+Class+/+1080p+/+120Hz+/+LCD+HDTV/9588387.p?id=1218131058370&skuId=9588387

I like the 120HZ, however god damn I want people to tell me the actuall Contrast Ration not some bullshit DCR they pulled out their ass. DCR means NOTHING.

[ZERO]

Also that like all 120hz screens is TN and has 50% the image quality of what I am looking for.

On another note my main crt appears better in recent days with no noticeable issues. Maybe this is a sign that it will keep ticking for years to come.

[ZERO]

While my monitor is still kicking my ram is not and I have ordered another 3gb to try to stop the crashing I have been having on and off for months.

[ManBearPig <ibis>]

Psshhh just get a projector and hook it up to your computer. Then you got any size screen you want.

[StarsMine]

Psshhh just get a projector and hook it up to your computer. Then you got any size screen you want.

1080p projectors with 3 color wheels(or whetever those things are called) (he said he wants high contrast) costs shitloads of cash

[ZERO]

Also the light moving across the room would be too laggy. I do not want wireless photons! :lmao:

[StarsMine]

I think light speed is moot

Actually this ones not a bad deal, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824248064&cm_re=1080p_projector-_-24-248-064-_-Product

however if I was going to by a top end projector for gameing I would want to ask that guy from HDnation, Robert Heron I think was his name

[Fireye]

have to worry about focus on projectors, and lamps cost a fuckton

[SCRIBBLE]

an issue i've had with hooking up my 32" 1080p is the actual screen configuration seems too large or too small for the tv to handle or for my card to display one way or the other. I can never seem to get it right with the tv and i've got a great rig. I'm using an HD ASUS now that came with a great price tag from newegg. considering this seems to be an issue with all tvs i've tried hooking up too i don't recommend that route.

[Fireye]

Are you sure you're sending a signal in your TV's native resolution? Also, make sure that your TV is in just scan mode, or something similar. That's where it displays literally every part of the video signal given, negating overscan.

[SCRIBBLE]

Are you sure you're sending a signal in your TV's native resolution? Also, make sure that your TV is in just scan mode, or something similar. That's where it displays literally every part of the video signal given, negating overscan.

Thanks fireye, I will never have this issue again. I love porting to the tv now because the videos I play through it do not have their edges cut off because of overscan.

[ZERO]

Main monitor has failed. 7+ days until upgrade/replacement equpment is avalable.

Temporary system will be on line in a few hours.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Main monitor has failed. 7+ days until upgrade/replacement equpment is avalable.

Temporary system will be on line in a few hours.

damn. too bad it didn't last any longer eh?

[ZERO]

Got it working again... ???

[ZERO]

In an attempt to figure out wtf is causing my crashes I am swapping out my gpu for 7 days. If no crashes occur then I know it was from the gpu.

[ZERO]

So far no solid color crashes with the backup gpu in. We will see how today goes.

[ZERO]

Still no crashes over this weekend it will become clear if I need a new gpu...

[StarsMine]

If it is your GPU, what do you plan on getting to replace it?

[ZERO]

It will be replaced with a 480.

So far still no crashes...

[ZERO]

Yet another day with no crashes...

[Christmas]

So what exactly have you been able to do lately?

[ZERO]

Oh I have just been running the computer all day long doing different shit streaming video to my laptop and playing less demanding games like ns. I also started running bonic again so that the system would be stressed more during the testing. Previously the system could crash via a solid color crash even if sitting idol doing nothing. So in reality the computer only needs to be turned on for it to be able to simulate the conditions.

So far the test has been very clear that the gpu is the cause. As there has been no crashes of any kind let alone solid color crashes. However this computer has never in 4 months gone more than 8 days in a row with any crash of any kind(but that was when i was moving and it was off for 3 days). So after day 7 ends it will basically be 100% the gpu.

[ZERO]

Yet another day with no issues. Currently rebuild is scheduled for 30 days from now. As I am already upgrading the gpu I will take this time to do some other minor repairs and updates to the sb2.

As a result the SB2.1 project will be completed this summer:
Repair 2 broken 120mm fans.
Create buffers for front 4 120mm fans to improve cooling performance of radiator #1.
New GPU
6GB ram
64bit OS
24pin custom tower link connector, this will make tower merging and splitting easier.
Updated cabling, finalize interior cable routing.
Additional 120mm exhaust fan above PSU.
Fan guards for 80mm fans.
Improved noise cancellation.
Ported lower exhaust vents for cooling tower.
4 air zone temp sensors in cooling tower.
Possibly a 3TB HDD or an upgraded SSD.

[Rage]

Damn Zero you should build me a computer.

[StarsMine]

Damn Zero you should build me a computer.

its not that hard, you should try to do it yourself.

[Rage]

I've done it before, but i fell out of the technology spot light. I used to be pro with PC's, now im just slightly above average. I wouldn't know whats good and whats not enough to build my own awesome pc anymore.

[StarsMine]

Just ask and we will tell you what to buy

[ZERO]

And here goes yet another day with no crashes...

[ZERO]

Well with today it is apparent that the gpu was the cause of the crashes. In about a month I will replace it with a new one. For now I will just make due with this older gpu. In addition I think that once the 3tb drives come out I will build a 12tb raid 5 array so that there is enough space to continue to backup data and also redundancy for failure. Currently if I was to have a HDD failure all of my data will go by by. The added space will also be useful for when natural selection finally comes out and we start servers for that game too. Currently I have multiple copies and versions of our servers on my local computer for testing and fail safe backups. Not only would a raid array offer better protection but it would also speed up access times allowing for me to work faster!

[yours' truely]

Contrast Ratio. I've read several articles stating that many of the specs prized by the manufacturers are fake specs just to sell. Make your own decision, but this was the best article I could find on it written by a guy that is currently employed involving the testing and rating of digital televisions. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/display_myths_shattered

LCD response time. Back when LCD monitors were entering the affordable range, 12ms was standard and anything less than 8ms was godly. I can see how 12ms may be noticable when gaming or viewing a complex moving picture, but is it a noticable differance btwn 8ms to the <5ms ppl claim is the minimum neccesary?

NVidia VS AMD
Currently, i'm to poor to afford an upgrade, but have been trying to keep up on what is a good buy. I have seen a couple of 'user' articles and mentions of how NVidia is really trying to make a quick buck by 'upgrading' their cards when it's just a tiny upgrade from the last. Keep an eye on AMD, they appear to be surpasssing NVIdia in several areas. They even had a single GPU running 6 30inch monitors, pushing 2560x1600 each, configured as a single 7680x4800 screen playing L4D2 on DX11 and XPlane9, full res, on dx9 without a stutter. I'll repeat again, A SINGLE GPU (single processor).

Resolution. My take on resolution is: Bigger is better, but when gaming, unless it supports the supper high resolution, there's no point in getting it, and when you turn up the resolution too high in a game it may be too difficult to see your targets when you cram all those pixels into one little screen.