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So now that I am back in town it is time to get ready for my computer upgrade so that I can continue to maintain the server and pwn you noobs :smirk:
So far it includes a few required upgrades/replacements such as:
replace fried 280 with 480
replace 2 dead 120mm fans
add additional 120mm fan
add fan exhaust sound dampeners
construct custom 24 pin tower link connector
enables tower merger to be sped up making moving the computer faster and easier!
fan grills and other such things that were intended in version1 but never implemented
more HDD space
the means to address this issue are still being looked at
possibly a new mouse so I can pwn you all easier
what do you think of this?
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/worldexclusive_review_rat7_best_gaming_mouse_ever_ 0
I am looking at a $1000-$2000 upgrade this is both great for performance and terrible for my wallet :banghead:
My largest problem is HDD space currently I have maxed a 1tb drive, a 2tb drive, a 300gb raid 0 and almost a 60gb os drive...
I wanted to just buy a 3tb drive to hold me out until the 4tb internals come out next summer but I can not find one anywhere. Currently I will max out all of my HDDs by the end of the week so I got to do something fast even if it is just to order another 2tb :banghead:
The biggest problem is that for some data it can not be spread across multiple drives for filing reasons and the folder is going to max a 2tb drive soon :reddot: worst of all I am playing Russian Roulette with this much data and not having any raid backups. It may be worth taking the bullet and spending the money on a 6TB raid 5 array and then migrating to 4tb drives in 2 years. I am really stumped on this :headache:
Please post comments/suggestions below. I will also use this thread as sort of a work long to not only keep my plans in order but also to allow comments. Sometimes it helps to have some extra eyes on a big project like this. :wtg:
Idea, I could actually just buy another 2tb and then redirect the data to the folder of the original drive so that digitally it looks like it is all together without the risk of raid 0 or without reformatting anything!
mastercheff
07-10-2010, 08:13 PM
That sounds like a pretty bad situation ZERO, I'm no techie when it comes to computers and what not but good luck on the rest of this predicament.
Schnacky
07-10-2010, 08:28 PM
not bad, for a mouse id suggest Razer or a high end Logitech.
XxMastagunzxX
07-10-2010, 08:47 PM
Mouse suggestion:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2247404840_05348e07de.jpg?v=0
Honestly though...
http://dl.maximumpc.com/galleries/RAT/RATFront_sm.jpg
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/worldexclusive_review_rat7_best_gaming_mouse_ever_ 0
not bad, for a mouse id suggest Razer or a high end Logitech.
I have a g5 now but never liked the way it felt in my hand, also the scroll wheal does not work correctly sometimes.
As for razer I actually do like that shape but I need side scroll b/c I work with spreadsheets and other stuff that requires the extra abilities too much.
XX0wnsXY
07-10-2010, 09:16 PM
I have a razer naga, and it is the best feeling mouse i have ever used, even though it is made more for MMO's, the 12 side buttons come in handy because you can intertwine them with the num keys.
Christmas
07-10-2010, 09:55 PM
It's a fucking mouse, guys.
Just get one that works well and lasts.
Mine was south of 20 bucks and has lasted for the past 3 years without error. Great mouse.
Kavinsky
07-10-2010, 11:42 PM
Zero isnt this the second or third time you've tried or reportedly tried to build your ultimate machine?
No it was built and then sabotaged a month later. Then 6 months later it was repaired and upgraded with a better motherboard. Then 6 months after that I upgraded to windows 7 and added an ssd and a 2tb drive. Also 6 months ago my gpu fried but I have managed to use it with a trade off of crashes every few hours for 6 months to buy time for the 480s to come out.
Of forgot to say that this update also switched to 64 bit and adds another 3gb of ram.
mag36
07-11-2010, 02:02 AM
It may be worth taking the bullet and spending the money on a 6TB raid 5 array and then migrating to 4tb drives in 2 years. I am really stumped on this :headache:
Please post comments/suggestions below. I will also use this thread as sort of a work long to not only keep my plans in order but also to allow comments. Sometimes it helps to have some extra eyes on a big project like this. :wtg:
Hmm whats your total data storage up to now ?
But honestly Raid 5 would probably save you time and hassle in the long run. But with SATA6 and USB 3 still not fully supported by most manufactures yet holding off might be your best bet. I don't know if you want to go ahead and pay for 3 2TB SATA3 Gb/s drives when 6Gb/s drive are just hitting the market but then your motherboard has to support SATA6 and even though some say they will; they sacrifice GPU speed supporting it. It is hard choice:headache:
But i would probably hold off on it then.
StarsMine
07-11-2010, 03:19 AM
Hmm whats your total data storage up to now ?
But honestly Raid 5 would probably save you time and hassle in the long run. But with SATA6 and USB 3 still not fully supported by most manufactures yet holding off might be your best bet. I don't know if you want to go ahead and pay for 3 2TB SATA3 Gb/s drives when 6Gb/s drive are just hitting the market but then your motherboard has to support SATA6 and even though some say they will; they sacrifice GPU speed supporting it. It is hard choice:headache:
But i would probably hold off on it then.
Sata6(otherwise known as sataIII confusing shit :() and usb 3 are backwards compatible so there is no reason to not upgrade if the price is right. however SataIII is only usefull with SSD, 7200 rpm, hell even 10000 RPM wont make use of it.
Im confused how does sata interfere with GPU speed?
there would be no benefit in using the new sata as a high storage HDD can not exceed the banwith of the current version. Also full 3.0 speeds will not ever exceed current sata speeds and the max speed of the buss will not be supported until the end of next year.
Lastly m/b raid controllers are always very slow compared to a dedicated board. When the HDD prices fall I am going to buy a 8port raid card and run RAID 6 on 8 drives. This way I can get really good performance and stability along with high storage. However this plan is based on 2tb costs dropping in a few months or so.
Also they have nothing to due with gpu speeds...
If you use onboard and you have a very large array you do cut into your cpu and ram a lot but on a system like mine there are extra resources. However even if you do have the extra resources a dedicated express card is always faster.
shit the little extra drive hack I wanted to do does not work the way I thought it would... raid 5 it is.
Now the quest to find a good raid card!
Looking for (in this order):
Reliability
RAID 6
>= 8 SATAII drives
<$800
I am trying to find reviews but unfortunately there is not a lot of them for such devices...
This is the card that I am going with so far: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816131004
After looking up some reviews I am going to stick with the raid card above. Now instead of throwing all the drives into some funky drive bay I will instead use the heat pipe silent and vibration dampened heat sinks that make each drive use 1 bay as I have for years. Luckily I have 24 drive bays so it is not like I could run out of space rofl! For each drive I will run one of these: http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1858/ele-21/Tailed_Red_5mm_LED_w_2_Pin_Mobo_Header_Connector.h tml?tl=g6c455s125
This read led will be attached to each drive so if one fails it will indicate which one to replace! Otherwise I would need to buy expensive and ugly hot swappable bays that ruin the look of my computer, waste a shit ton of money, and add noise.
Just about got everything together. Looks like it will come out just under $2000. This is turning into some project! The good news is that when completed I will be back up and running at full speed and I can finally call this computer completed as this update also includes a lot of little things that were intended in the original build but cut for time.
saw that the evga 480 cards are on sale + rebate on new egg so I am buying one now. I can water cool it after I know what block to buy. I will order the rest of the stuff when I get the block. The cool news is that I can actually get good fps in my games again while I wait to see what block to get.
StarsMine
07-12-2010, 08:46 PM
saw that the evga 480 cards are on sale + rebate on new egg so I am buying one now. I can water cool it after I know what block to buy. I will order the rest of the stuff when I get the block. The cool news is that I can actually get good fps in my games again while I wait to see what block to get.
Im more interested in the 1gig 460, 5850 peformence for ~ $220. sli them together and its on par or powerful then a 5970. http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/gtx460-review-thread/1094884?page=1
I am giving serious thoughts on buying this
Personally I would have liked to get my hands on a 485 or a 490 but I do not have the time to wait with a fried card.
480 and a free copy of just cause comes in tomorrow!
Fireye
07-13-2010, 02:03 PM
Personally I would have liked to get my hands on a 485 or a 490 but I do not have the time to wait with a fried card.
Why not nab one of the new 460's? They're pared down, so they have less of the tesla gpu/cpu features, but run cooler and on less power, for a competitive price.
StarsMine
07-13-2010, 02:36 PM
Why not nab one of the new 460's? They're pared down, so they have less of the tesla gpu/cpu features, but run cooler and on less power, for a competitive price.
Less of the features? no it actually has more features like being able to bitstream on the HDMI.
and not really pared down either, the gf104 is a revised gf100 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-gf104-fermi,2684.html
You do realize that the 480 OCs 30% on water and is already way faster than the 460... or have you not read that the 470 is also faster. The only real deal of the 460 is vs the 465 as the 460 OCs better and actually has better overall performance. However it is important to note that stock they end up about the same performance.
You guys are trying to get me excited about the 350z when I just ordered a GTR it does not make a lot of seance lol (that was reference to cars for those who did not know). Heat is the only real problem the 480 has and I got a dedicated quad 120mm rad that says OC heaven on it.
Fireye
07-13-2010, 02:45 PM
Less of the features? no it actually has more features like being able to bitstream on the HDMI.
and not really pared down either, the gf104 is a revised gf100 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-gf104-fermi,2684.html
, so they have less of the tesla gpu/cpu features,
They took out a number of features/capabilities that were aimed at GPU computing.
Zero; hadn't really kept up to date on the tesla line, just read the review of the 460 at anandtech. Seems like a good step in the right direction, hopefully one they'll take for their higher-end models as well. A cooler running, more efficient 480 would kick ass, but if you're building a box with heavy watercooling and a nice PSU, then I could see the appeal.
StarsMine
07-13-2010, 02:45 PM
You do realize that the 480 OCs 30% on water and is already way faster than the 460... or have you not read that the 470 is also faster. The only real deal of the 460 is vs the 465 as the 460 OCs better and actually has better overall performance. However it is important to note that stock they end up about the same performance.
You guys are trying to get me excited about the 350z when I just ordered a GTR it does not make a lot of seance lol (that was reference to cars for those who did not know). Heat is the only real problem the 480 has and I got a dedicated quad 120mm rad that says OC heaven on it.
Dont foreget the SLI potential of the 460 :p 440$ (1gig models) for something about as powerful as a 5970
I know though why you got the 480 though, the 460 cant do that crazy as 30 inch resolution you use, unless its in sli.
Fireeye, I dont think they are going to re release the 480 with the gf104 or latter revision there of and still call it a 480, otherwise you would have huge fluctuation in performence card to card as half would be running gf100 and the other half running gf104. they might release something like a 475 and a 485 with the gf104 though, but that is just pure speculation. however, this gf104 or latter revision would be the only way to make a dual Fermi card as a dual gf100 is just a bad idea.
GPU computing? not in the Geforce line up, that would be in there fermi tesla lineup.
And what stops my 480 sli....
As for gpu computing I did quite a lot on my 280 although it can not be determined if that had anything to do with its death...
StarsMine
07-13-2010, 04:05 PM
And what stops my 480 sli....
As for gpu computing I did quite a lot on my 280 although it can not be determined if that had anything to do with its death...
nothing, just price an heat and powerconsuption
I got the 480 in my computer now! I am going to and am running it at 100% fan speed for the next few weeks until I get some wc on it. This keeps the temps under <50c when it is not working.
StarsMine
07-14-2010, 12:23 PM
I got the 480 in my computer now! I am going to and am running it at 100% fan speed for the next few weeks until I get some wc on it. This keeps the temps under <50c when it is not working.
yikes, dont bust a bearing. Hope you enjoy this bad boy at 30 inch resolution its almost on par with the 5970 (with AA)
When did I get a 30" screen. My crts are still kicking (thank god) otherwise I would be looking at a $3000+ bill
StarsMine
07-14-2010, 07:21 PM
When did I get a 30" screen. My crts are still kicking (thank god) otherwise I would be looking at a $3000+ bill
oh then nvm what resolution are you running then?
1024x768 I can run what ever I want as there is no native res on a crt but a low res like this is just fine until I get larger screens in the future.
Yesterday I placed the big newegg order. So now 85% of the budget has been spent and all of the required parts are ordered! The other 15% of the budget will be charged soon and it includes the cooling for the gpu along with some mods that were supposed to have been included in version 1. I have also thrown in a cheep upgrade for my tv pc from a 9500 to a 220. This will greatly improve the quality of video playback.
99% of parts ordered. In 2 weeks I will have a massive performance increase!
After admins and reserved slots are processed and a little break stage 1 of the build will begin when I shut down my computer. Hopefully I can complete this stage today and be back by tonight.
acolyte_to_jippity
08-16-2010, 01:37 PM
After admins and reserved slots are processed and a little break stage 1 of the build will begin when I shut down my computer. Hopefully I can complete this stage today and be back by tonight.
:salutes:
Well it should come as no suprize that there was problems. It turns out that my second loops pump has a cut wire due to the way that it is transported. The pump will need to be replaced and the entire second loop rebuilt. Luckily it currently does not cool anything and so I will just remove it and continue the build and hopefully be back soon.
One of the 4 drives was DOA so a replacement must be ordered right away. Build delayed 48 hours.
Luckily I can still use the system while I wait for this part.
So after 6 hours my raid initialized and was ready for format now it if formatting and that should take about 6 hours rofl. Luckily I started it a few hours ago so it is at 75%.
Once it is done I can copy all the files off my 2tb drive which should take about 3 hours. Then I can format that drive in about an hour. Then add it to the existing array which should take 2 hours and then expand the partition in windows which should take about 2 hours. So it will be all ready in about, 9-12 more hours. Then I can update the firmware on my SSD twice to get to the latest version and then reinstall windows and then reinstall all my programs.
So the good news is just about 20 hours until this dam upgrade is 50% complete. Yes you read that correctly 50% complete. The rest of the build will continue after a 2 week break back at school where the following will be done:
Add an additional 2tb to the array (when the DOA drive is replaced)
Redesign the 2nd cooling loop
Upgrade QDs on 2nd cooling loop
Install GPU water block
Reinstall the 2nd cooling loop
Install all HDD fault led extensions for future expansion
Finish sleeving all unfinished wires.
Replace faulty external temp sensors
Install additional fan filters
Enjoy a toast to a completed project.
Transferring files took longer than expected. I am just now CRC checking to verify the transfer. Should be ready for next step in like 8 hours.
File transfer done, expanding array...
OK now I got 6TB of usable space on this array and over 800mb/s read and write speeds! I even have over 90mb/s random 4k read and write speed (faster than any ssd)
Finally it is done. There are currently no pending repairs or upgrades for the first time in 2 years. This is actually the first time it has ever been in a completed status. The computer has actually be under: in progress, or repair needed, or upgrade pending, or broken for the last 2 years. This is the first time the computer has actually reached the completed stage. So now after 2 years my dam computer is finally complete!
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