Save the Internet!

[Jeimuzu]

This explains it: http://www.theopeninter.net/

This gives you ideas of what you can do: http://www.savetheinternet.com/resources

A friend wanted me to post this.

Oh, and Obama helping is full of sh*t. He's supporting a law that weakens net neutrality.

[Poker$tar$]

I heard about this, corporations/america is so corrupt.

[mcilwain]

If this happens im heading over to asia where internet isn't a problem at least with money...
nuff said.

[ZERO]

Yea unfortunately having the gov increase regulation over the internet will not help any of us. Especially as we have seen over the last few decades they care nothing to actually solve problems but just increase their own power at our expense and freedom under the guise of helping us. If you want to stop the problem of companies being able to screw over their customers then you simply need to increase the number of competitors. It is the government that created this problem by making it so that in many states and cities there is only one cable internet provider who is granted a "legal" monopolization over service. Well when they are the only provider (no dsl and other shit that is 20% as fast does not count) they can do whatever the fuck they want.


The point is that real business and capitalism works government solutions to problems nearly always fail or make the problem worse and or create new problems worse than the original. While I am worried about them trying to charge me for shit I already pay for I wonder why they have not been able to do this already. If they really were so evil and just wanted our money then why wait. Why have they not done this already. Well because although they do in many cases have a monopolization over service in particular areas it is only temporary, the local government can tell them to gtfo if they get pissed off. So in other words the reason we have not seen this yet and the reason we likely never will is because the customers though their local government will make them gtfo and replace them with a different corporation. In fact the entire problem can be avoided by altering the contract between the local government granting the service rights to declare that it is not allowed to charge users differently based on the types of data they transmit over the network.

[ZERO]

Actually I just found the solution. If the local contract that the individual local governments right up contain a clause that does not allow the isp to charge based on the type of data then the problem is solved. We also do not need any new spending or bureaucracy to enforce it as like now any problems would be handled in court. I am going to study this method further when I get back from vacation but I am convinced that this will be the best way to solve the net neutrality problem permanently.

[ZERO]

Yea I made some calls and the current franchise agreements for these providers ALREADY prevent them from being able to charge based on the type of data. For them to charge for these things it requires Government approval from the commission that handles the franchisee agreement. So currently the only thing they could try to do it limit bandwidth on some traffic if the current franchise agreement does not cover it.

[Steamer]

That's Corporate America for ya. Sadly.... It's a little too late. With COICA on the fringe and the recent bouts of DNS seizures, things don't look very good.

:25: :redx:

[taz1stP]

well hell Canada isnt to far off from me and there is less darkies there so i think i would just move there.

[chase]

well hell Canada isnt to far off from me and there is less darkies there so i think i would just move there.

I won't allow this.

[Steamer]

I won't allow this.

http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4779604/U-MAD.jpg?imageSize=Large&generatorName=Obama-lol

[Holy-Sonic]

>< that means the ISP want to charge you for certain websites you want to use, which means they are invading your privacy to know what you are doing online?

Sigh

[Jeimuzu]

[11:28:22 PM] Howler: dude
[11:28:23 PM] Howler: http://torrent-finder.info/torrent-finder-domain-seizure.php
[11:28:26 PM] Howler: This...
[11:28:27 PM] Howler: Is...
[11:28:29 PM] Howler: 100%
[11:28:30 PM] Howler: illegal
[11:28:34 PM] Howler: by our government
[11:28:47 PM] Howler: our government is making acts that cannot be justified
[11:28:50 PM] Howler: even remotely.
[11:28:59 PM] Howler: They siezed a search engine.

I'm contemplating on summoning the powers of 4chan to combat this evil.

[ZERO]

by what, ddos so that they can give the government a reason to pass this shit. A lot of these hacking groups are falling right into the hands of the gov.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

Government is going to act in the interest of corporations no matter what. Disruptive behaviour raises awareness, and it's better to have controverial legislation on the front page than to have it anonymously tucked away.

[Oasis]

Sucks.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

by what, ddos so that they can give the government a reason to pass this shit. A lot of these hacking groups are falling right into the hands of the gov.

this

suprisingly, a large group of people rising up to isrupt services is normally viewed as a problem (i know i see it as such) an this just gives the government more an more reason to step in.

4chan is a cancer that is seriously ruining the world. i'm not being ironic or anything.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

this

suprisingly, a large group of people rising up to isrupt services is normally viewed as a problem (i know i see it as such) an this just gives the government more an more reason to step in.

Yes, let's crack down on those pesky dissidents who demand reform. People only exist to subserviently benefit the government.

I'm sure that if everyone just sits completely still and breathe quietly, then government won't be lobbied by corporate interests, and perhaps the NSA and DHS won't see ghosts everywhere. This is the sort of stuff that won't go away without sufficient public outcry, and neither the EFF, the FSF, or any of the other traditional interest organisations have had much luck with traditional interest organisation awareness raising. At least now, the issues are being talked about outside of technological circles.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Yes, let's crack down on those pesky dissidents who demand reform. People only exist to subserviently benefit the government.

I'm sure that if everyone just sits completely still and breathe quietly, then government won't be lobbied by corporate interests, and perhaps the NSA and DHS won't see ghosts everywhere. This is the sort of stuff that won't go away without sufficient public outcry, and neither the EFF, the FSF, or any of the other traditional interest organisations have had much luck with traditional interest organisation awareness raising. At least now, the issues are being talked about outside of technological circles.

i'm not saying sit quietly, but ddosing and other such actions just give the government much more reason to step in.

[dice]

You want net neutrality?

Vote republican.

Bonus points: Support Tea Party.

I'm not gay but if I was Ron Paul would be my love crush. I'm not sayin... I'm just sayin.

[Jeimuzu]

i'm not saying sit quietly, but ddosing and other such actions just give the government much more reason to step in.

You don't know Anonymous very well then.

Peacefully protesting across the street isn't against the law. And Fox News made a mockery out of them. Legion isn't some secret gang of internet bullies. They believe that knowledge should be free, and I do too. The government is censoring more and more, and even illegally taking control of websites..

Who do you think found the person who threw puppies into the lake? They do good, but if you ask for something to benefit yourself then they'll probably rip you a new one.

Honestly I don't really know all that much about them, but for some reason my views are different than yours regarding them. Also, I think there were two hives, one who threatened, and one who went about it peacefully, only exposing information.

This isn't the only problem going on either (censoring the internet and various other things regarding it's use), they are invading our constitutional rights, conditioning us and changing things more and more.

+1 to Fluffy's post btw.

[anex]

Vote republican.

Bonus points: Support Tea Party.

Please don't, you will only make shit worse.

Btw, Ron Paul is a Libertarian.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Please don't, you will only make shit worse.


actually, not true. republicans are for small government. democrats want the entire nanny-state shit.

[Steamer]

7 of the Senators that think it's fine to pass are Republican...

Jeff Sessions
Orrin G. Hatch
Chuck Grassley
Lindsey Graham
John Cornyn
Tom Coburn

[acolyte_to_jippity]

7 of the Senators that think it's fine to pass are Republican...

Jeff Sessions
Orrin G. Hatch
Chuck Grassley
Lindsey Graham
John Cornyn
Tom Coburn

7 out of...?

[taz1stP]

I won't allow this.

how you gana stop me.

[Steamer]

7 out of...?

19 :wtg:

[anex]

actually, not true. republicans are for small government. democrats want the entire nanny-state shit.

Nanny-state how? It seems to me that the Republicans want to tell who to marry, what to do with your reproductive system and tell you what you can and can not smoke. The Republicans are doing a far better job at achieving the nanny-state than the Democrats...

but back to the topic at hand. Save the internet.. and shit.

[taz1stP]

so if this were to happen then it would be impossible to share movies online such as in torrents. which you can do now as long as you say you are sharing.

[Steamer]

so if this were to happen then it would be impossible to share movies online such as in torrents. which you can do now as long as you say you are sharing.

Wrong and no.

[taz1stP]

Wrong and no.

i do all the time is legal as long as you are not uploading or downloading. which i am not i am sharing with my friends who i have never and will never know.

[&&toasties]

i do all the time is legal as long as you are not uploading or downloading. which i am not i am sharing with my friends who i have never and will never know.

Honestly, your stupidity worries me.

[๖ReS]

Honestly, your stupidity worries me.

Your over abundance of clothing worries me :C

[&&toasties]

Your over abundance of clothing worries me :C

Has you a remedy for this issue?

D:

[๖ReS]

It's called "taking off all your clothes"

Based off a simple 5 step plan !

Step 1: Stand up
Step 2: Take off all your fucking clothes
Step 3: Shake your tits
Step 4: ??????
Step 5: Profit.

Simple.

[&&toasties]

It's called "taking off all your clothes"

Based off a simple 5 step plan !

Step 1: Stand up
Step 2: Take off all your fucking clothes
Step 3: Shake your tits
Step 4: ??????
Step 5: Profit.

Simple.

amgmyribshurt<33

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

You want net neutrality?

Vote republican.

Bonus points: Support Tea Party.

I'm not gay but if I was Ron Paul would be my love crush. I'm not sayin... I'm just sayin.

Are you for serious? Pro-business, selectively small-government pretend-libertarians are going to use big-government methods to enact anti-business measures in distinctly non-libertarian manners?

The government is complicit, but the government isn't the cause. Corporate greed is the cause, and libertarians have no problem with that.

[dice]

Please don't, you will only make shit worse.

Btw, Ron Paul is a Libertarian.

Yes..? and? So am I.

Half the politicians in office are corrupt, so the 7 "republicans" that voted for this shit have lost their sense of party direction. Just as the repubs who are against gay marriage have lost direction.

Fluffy, since when is capitalism bad? If it weren't for lobbyists and corrupt politics there would be MUCH more competition in the ISP world - enough competition that corporate "greed" would be held in check by competitors. Money talks, and when the government lets things take their own course, generally, markets have more competitors and the economy benefits. Read ZERO's first 3 or so posts. +3 internet points.

[StarsMine]

dice, wtf are you talking about. Also since WHEN has someone of a party had to follow every damn platform the party supports? Never, and I hope it never will happon

his point was enforcing net neutrality is simply not a republican thing to do, so saying vote republican and then tea party(quite possibly the stupidest party in existence and im republican) was silly to say. unfortunately here we need some government. ISP already are doing what james showed, if you are getting torrent trafic, they slow down all torrent data so you dont "hog" the line, load of bullshit right there, but its there. and thats just one example.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

Fluffy, since when is capitalism bad? If it weren't for lobbyists and corrupt politics there would be MUCH more competition in the ISP world - enough competition that corporate "greed" would be held in check by competitors. Money talks, and when the government lets things take their own course, generally, markets have more competitors and the economy benefits. Read ZERO's first 3 or so posts. +3 internet points.

I don't recall ever saying that capitalism is bad. I recall saying that it's fairly dense to suggest that the solution to the problem at hand is best carried out by individuals whose political convictions are at odds with it.

You can't merely cut loose regulated monopolies and expect any kind of positive outcome. Unfettered capitalism is viable strictly on the notion that competition keeps corporations in check, to the benefit of consumers, and falls apart in the face of uncontested monopolies. If you're seriously suggesting that massive deregulation of service providers will suddenly spur healthy competition and resolve the issues at hand, then you don't understand the service provider industry.

I don't understand why you ask me to read ZERO's posts. I have worked for years in the service provider industry, and I have been in the industry in a time when regulated monopolies were abolished. I know first hand what works, and what doesn't work.

[ZERO]

You can not really separate things like this by parties as largely both contain people who are more progressives. These people just ware the hat of the democrats and republicans but are really for socialistic principles that go way beyond where even the democrats are supposed to be. The media constantly misrepresents left and right by using Europe as the mesuring stick. However doing it this way makes so that your only choices are always left of the center that our nation was founded on. This is why you always hear of the right being related to fascism which should make no sense as being right should mean that you want less gov. However by defining the spectrum in basically what kind of socialism we are going to have leaves us with guess what, socialism.

This is why we need to look at where things are positioned on the real political spectrum where left is total government control and right is total anarchy. As we ideally want to be as far from both as possible it is therefore important that we continue to try to plant ourselves firmly at the center, just as our founders did.

But face it do we really want people who say this to be any where near things that half to do with economics: "From my own experience with earthquakes, being from San Francisco, I think that this can be an opportunity for a real boom economy in Haiti." -Yea there economy is so much better off now that everything has been destroyed...