Mafia

[Joker]

Player : Mafia
Reason for ban : wall hacking
Length of ban : Perma
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The first demo is the best one it's really obvious with in the first few minutes

[Naka]

... The second demo showed absolutely nothing.. The third was even worse.
The first had a single wallhack-looking moment when he threw the grenade at the beginning, the rest is very inconclusive, he didn't even have a gun to aim with, there should have been way more evidence with him having an actual weapon, the evidence where he DOES have a weapon is useless.
Tell me I'm wrong about mafia2.dem and mafia3.dem, what were they supposed to show?

[Joker]

no your not wrong demo's 2 and 3 i didn't see anything either but than i looked over the first one and it was completely obvious

[Naka]

Ok good, I was thinking for sure I've gone crazy.

The first one doesn't look like hacks to me honestly, if I were to claim someone was hacking I'd want to see a demo of him with a real weapon out, when he had a knife and grenade, his tactics of facing walls was completely legit. He likely watches his radar for teammates death, and goes in for the swoop. Looking towards walls gives him the advantage of not having his weapon stick by crates, not to mention there's no wall-looking when he actually has a weapon out. Should I watch it again?

Offtopic: Will you review my demo again? I'm waiting for whoever banned me to get on the ball. name: germans

[brett friggin favre]

Looks like walls to me. Usually it can be tough to tell on deagle but that sure didn't look legit. Good catch and good call on the ban.

[wack0]

wall-hacking is a very difficult thing to catch. unless it's really super obvious I suggest getting a second, third, and maybe even fourth opinion before banning someone for it. remember, the goal is to keep people playing on the servers, not ban everyone from them.

[&&toasties]

Ok good, I was thinking for sure I've gone crazy.

The first one doesn't look like hacks to me honestly, if I were to claim someone was hacking I'd want to see a demo of him with a real weapon out, when he had a knife and grenade, his tactics of facing walls was completely legit. He likely watches his radar for teammates death, and goes in for the swoop. Looking towards walls gives him the advantage of not having his weapon stick by crates, not to mention there's no wall-looking when he actually has a weapon out. Should I watch it again?

Offtopic: Will you review my demo again? I'm waiting for whoever banned me to get on the ball. name: germans

I banned you and you're going to stay banned.

ONTOPIC:

Good catch Joker, he was next on my list.

I did befriend him, Mafia is a good guy, but I had a feeling he, too, was hacking.

And I agree with Wacko, wallhacks are very hard to catch. I had 4 different people watching Germans before I banned him, all agreed with me.

It's hard work, but we're trying.

[Joker]

I banned you and you're going to stay banned.

ONTOPIC:

Good catch Joker, he was next on my list.

I did befriend him, Mafia is a good guy, but I had a feeling he, too, was hacking.

And I agree with Wacko, wallhacks are very hard to catch. I had 4 different people watching Germans before I banned him, all agreed with me.

It's hard work, but we're trying.

Just an F.Y.I. I suspected him, but if it wasn't for Jerm saying that he didn't seem legit it just confirmed my suspisions, so I went into the server and started to see if I could catch him in the act.
just thought I would point that out.

[dice]

I see no hacks. Its deagle. You don't need wallhacks to wallhack on deagle.

[Naka]

I see no hacks. Its deagle. You don't need wallhacks to wallhack on deagle.

I agree, and the only evidence posted was Mafia using a knife and grenade on deagle. In that situation, making good use of sound and teammate positions is what's required to get kills, anyone would look hackish in that situation, your attention is not as focused on looking visually for players. If I was an admin, I would really love to see better evidence before allowing a ban.
Anyone out there with a better demo?

[brett friggin favre]

OK so it's safe to wallhack on deagle. Thanks for letting me know, I'll be downloading my hacks as soon as possible.

On a non-sarcastic note, it is difficult to detect hacks on deagle. But I watched the demo 2 days ago, and 2 specific times stuck out to me. he was waiting with a nade looking directly at a corner and threw it with almost perfect timing before the guy popped out. Footsteps? Maybe...but to get that kind of precision 2 times in a row is pretty nuts. Minimap? OK...but the guy could have easily stopped running. He seemed to know that the enemy was going to pop out at the precise moment, which isn't anticipation or good usage of visual and audio information, it's wallhacks. I would know, not because I've hacked but because I know what it's like to be skilled, using all of the cues available to you at any given time, and not be able to place a nade like that, especially twice in a row.

[Naka]

OK so it's safe to wallhack on deagle. Thanks for letting me know, I'll be downloading my hacks as soon as possible.

On a non-sarcastic note, it is difficult to detect hacks on deagle. But I watched the demo 2 days ago, and 2 specific times stuck out to me. he was waiting with a nade looking directly at a corner and threw it with almost perfect timing before the guy popped out. Footsteps? Maybe...but to get that kind of precision 2 times in a row is pretty nuts. Minimap? OK...but the guy could have easily stopped running. He seemed to know that the enemy was going to pop out at the precise moment, which isn't anticipation or good usage of visual and audio information, it's wallhacks. I would know, not because I've hacked but because I know what it's like to be skilled, using all of the cues available to you at any given time, and not be able to place a nade like that, especially twice in a row.
I only saw that situation arise once, I must not have caught the 2nd time. Good detective work, I'll check the demo for clues and sound travel distance tomorrow. How about putting those detective skills to work on my demo and prove I'm hacking ? *wink nudge*

[brett friggin favre]

If I feel like it. Also keep in mind the other sounds going on all around him which could override the sounds from that given enemy, and the fact that while footsteps can indicate direction, they are not precise, and can only give a general location.