LG sues SONY

[maynard]

LG is suing SONY for sony infringing on LG patents regarding the blue ray player. PS3's are already being band in Europe at this point and if the court rules in favor of LG, LG will either end up getting paid out for every ps3 ever sold, or decide they want all PS3's bannd till new versions without the blue ray come out Lol

http://ps3.gamespy.com/articles/114/1148415p1.html

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seeing as I'm a 360 kinda guy, I find this quite funny.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

xbox fan or not... this is HUGE..
not only will sony get screwed but all the other gaming company's who will no longer get income from ps3 game sales.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

xbox fan or not... this is HUGE..
not only will sony get screwed but all the other gaming company's who will no longer get income from ps3 game sales.

it'll be sony's fault for using patented things that they shoulnd't have.

[StarsMine]

uhm WTF? Blu ray is a sony technology

[Hitman]

This ban is def not happening.....

[Steamer]

^Ditto...

A company MUST license it's patents or lose them. At worse SONY and LG will come to a licensing agreement (previous sales compensated of coarse).

If LG loses.. they may be forced to pay a VERY hefty sum to SONY for damages.

4 Patents and suing SONY... They are either nuts or have rock solid evidence.

This stems back to the cell phone case.... Seems to me like they are trying to "bully" a way for cheaper licensing fees.

Everyone loses. EVERYONE.

On a side note, the patent system needs a LOT work...


uhm WTF? Blu ray is a sony technology

No it isn't. They may have the highest stake in it as far as R&D ect, but it isn't theirs. It was a group effort. LG being part of it. Each manufacturer has it's own way's of dealing with the core tech and if it does not it pay's licensing fees to use another company's.

[dice]

I still say if HD-DVD had won this wouldn't be a problem. But no, bluray sounded cooler.

Did anybody else buy an HD-DVD player when they first came out because they were cheaper than bluray and then like a month later had nothing to watch on it because it was ALL bluray? I was pissed.

[Cry_Wolf]

Does this mean i can make phone calls using my PS3? :phones:

[Steamer]

I still say if HD-DVD had won this wouldn't be a problem. But no, bluray sounded cooler.

Higher quality laser. Higher capacity discs. "Future Proof".


Does this mean i can make phone calls using my PS3? :phones:

You could and can make VOIP calls with the PS3....

[anex]

not only will sony get screwed but all the other gaming company's who will no longer get income from ps3 game sales.

Good, I got bitter at Sony since the homebrew scene.

[Cry_Wolf]

Well ummm "Will it Blend"?!? Playstation smoke, Don't breathe this!

[dice]

Higher quality laser. Higher capacity discs. "Future Proof".

First off, HD-DVD players used an almost identical laser. And furthermore, bluray had over a year of additional R&D time after they had a prototype in mass production before HD-DVD started getting major support. The very first bluray was about the same size as HD-DVD. The problem was, when bluray upgraded its capacity, HD-DVD hadn't had the time to be improved upon - it was a fresh and imperfect MP prototype. HD-DVD is mechanically better for video games because of the lower seek time, but all people see is AMG ITS BLURAY and it had a higher capacity (at the time).

Not like any of that matters now with SSDs being proof-of-concept for massive flash storage. It wont be 5 years before everything goes to chip-based storage. I can't wait to play console games again without load times. Solid-state = win.

[Steamer]

First off, HD-DVD players used an almost identical laser. And furthermore, bluray had over a year of additional R&D time after they had a prototype in mass production before HD-DVD started getting major support. The very first bluray was about the same size as HD-DVD. The problem was, when bluray upgraded its capacity, HD-DVD hadn't had the time to be improved upon - it was a fresh and imperfect MP prototype. HD-DVD is mechanically better for video games because of the lower seek time, but all people see is AMG ITS BLURAY and it had a higher capacity (at the time).

Not like any of that matters now with SSDs being proof-of-concept for massive flash storage. It wont be 5 years before everything goes to chip-based storage. I can't wait to play console games again without load times. Solid-state = win.

Well said. I do not own any type of Blu-Ray Drive or a PS3 for that matter. PC to TV! Now only if the ISP's could give me better speeds, caps, and price plans.... That's another thread though... anywho... This is all licencse/market BS.

[Rage]

http://www.joypadgame.com/images/classics/n64sys.jpg

That is the only gaming system you will ever need. Throw in a couple James Bond games, Perfect Dark 2, some epic Mario Party and Mario Kart and your set for life. Gaming systems are meant to play games, not make phone calls

[Superman]

Solid-state = win.

Yeah, Solid state is win, except that GB for GB its the most expensive form of data saving on the planet. :) I say we got a bit more than 5 years to wait before everything goes chip. And even longer before solid state becomes standard.

[dice]

Yeah, Solid state is win, except that GB for GB its the most expensive form of data saving on the planet. :) I say we got a bit more than 5 years to wait before everything goes chip. And even longer before solid state becomes standard.

$ per GB has reduced by a rate of about 25% a year since it began serious mass production (around 2007), not to mention capacities have skyrocketed. 5 years? Nah. Sure, its more expensive... for now, and probably will be when the rush hits but not much longer after that. In fact, the nature of solid-state media would actually offset the increased cost at least for the videogame industry - there would be no need to have internal storage on the console. Making them smaller, cooler, and consume less power. The only hurdle I see that might slow solid's progress is lifetime - discs basically last forever if you treat them well, but solid-state media has an active lifespan of just a couple years (currently) depending on how much the chip is written to. Considering console generations seem to be lasting longer and longer, you'd want your games to last at least as long as your console. There are, of course, ways around this but none of them are pretty. Install games to console, or include backup licenses with the games.

Another thing that should be interesting to see is how much broadband availability/bandwidth improve in the same timespan. Bets on the first console developer to offer top titles 100% streamed? You can call me crazy for that, but I'd wager the blockbuster CEO would take the bet right about now...

[StarsMine]

a chips active life span is HUGE with current technology, yes it may be 3 years, but thats only when CONSTANTLY writing/rewriting, 24/7, for 3 fucking years

[dice]

a chips active life span is HUGE with current technology, yes it may be 3 years, but thats only when CONSTANTLY writing/rewriting, 24/7, for 3 fucking years

Its a matter of IOPS, and the only higher IOPS appliction than video gaming would be, well, mass network storage. But those rackmount SSDs use a totally different architecture than the ones in laptops, etc. Those aren't as durable.

[Rage]

well dispite the huge epic fail of the picture in my last post....

an N64 is all you will ever need

[Superman]

Solid state is still REALLY expensive and its been going for well over 5 years, 4 of which you may of heard about, but they been working on it for a long time. Right now you can get a 30GB Solid State for $100. Seriously, thats like, windows and wow and thats it, get an external for anything else...lol 100 GB one will run you $200-$250. With that much money I can get a 2TB Raided (0) and still have the performance of the solid state. You have a while before prices are down and even longer before they consider implementation of SS in games.


And as for the lawsuit, its asinine, its bogus, its outrageous. Its.... Its just a waste of time. And its only going to ruin one or the other's reputation. Either they win and LG makes big and Sony goes bankrupt, or they loose and LG is now know as the scandal-is company that whines and cries. Either way the public looses.

[Steamer]

Either they win and LG makes big and Sony goes bankrupt

No way in hell. This is normal shit... The only reason it made top news is because of the seizures.

[Tickle Me Emo]

I can get a 2TB Raided (0) and still have the performance of the solid state.

I know it's not entirely on-topic, but I couldn't leave this alone. The only way to get 2 consumer mechanical drives to match SSDs in any benchmark is to put two 10k VelociRaptors in RAID-0, and that will get you close to the sequential write speed of a SandForce 1200-based SSD. This does not make it match the SSD with 4k random writes, where mechanical drives get trounced by SSDs. Additionally, RAID doesn't do anything whatsoever to bridge the gap in access times, which are typically 50-100x faster on an SSD. As for pricing, my 120GB drive (with the SF-1200 controller) was $180. It's not cheap, but I'm not poor either, and it's noticeably faster, so I'm happy.

That said, I don't think they'll be shipping games on solid state in any hurry, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised to see pretty much anything in 5 years. The electronics industry is remarkably agile.

[dice]

You can't match the performance of instantaneous I/O with any conventional drive array. Sorry, its not mathematically possible. Semi-related but totally OT to thread: http://www.youtube.com/embed/96dWOEa4Djs shows samsung employees building a dual-quad comp with 24 SSDs in RAID 0 with 6TB total capacity. The performance is scary. They call Paul an IT genius, but he's clearly retarded because he de-fragged an SSD. I want his job.

And it seems clear that one way or another SONY is about to get ripped a new asshole. They'll need a game changer to stay afloat, and thus MY bet is the next generation of playstation uses solid state. I'll put money behind that. $50 paypal. Takers?

[Steamer]

I will keep my 50$ thanks you.