Rice and Chicken Permanently banned for Wall Hacking

[ricochet]

Name in Game: Rice and Chicken
Players Steam ID: STEAM_0:0:14172530

Let me start by saying that this player has been on my radar for the last few months. This player was mediocre at best and in the last few months has gotten exponentially better.

I have been receiving an extra large amount of complaints against this player from IBIS Pub regulars that I have played with for years and I have at least two other respected admins who have viewed this player and made demo's I have multiple demo's of him. I've watched them all and I have taken notes to highlight the obvious spots. I was able to get a demo of him zoom in with an awp on two CT's through a wall, step aside and awp them both after having acquired them from behind the wall.

This player is pretty careful to not look directly at players. You can notice nearly every time that he looks slightly in a direction such that opposing players come into his field of view. this is a common tactic of a good waller.

Here's the notes from the demo's. The first one is the most damning in my opinion. All others serve to reinforce my argument.


rice+chick1,

1:12 , he double zooms in on one CT right through the door then awps that CT. Then goes back behind the door and does the same thing for another one.
rice+chick2 ,
0:45, sees CT's coming through DD from behind the blocks

1:09 , stares at CT through the wall
1:48, sees whacko come in through DD from behind the bricks and awps him

riceandchicken1:
0:15, sees the player coming down the stairs through the walls and throws the nade

riceandchicken4:
0:25, looks at awper behind the wall

0:50, player gets knife kills only because he's seeing opposing players through the wall.

riceandchicken5:
0:20, looks at opposition players through walls
0:30, again looks at opposition players through walls
1:50, looks up just as a CT is getting close and prefires.
2:30, looks at CT through walls and generally looks at entrance to the room through the walls.
2:48, again looks through the walls at a CT.

This player contacted via steam friends after the banning took place. He didn't once declare that he was NOT wall hacking. I have also attached the conversation (screen captures of the chat window) in which he admits to having wall hacks and that player lazytown provided the location for them.

I would suggest adding lazytown to the perma ban list as well based upon this information.

Rice and Chickens demo's should be sent to Steam Bans and he should be permanently banned from all ibis servers and the forums. He admitted to me in the attached steam conversation that another clan had banned him and sent demo's to Steam Bans. Hopefully, mine hold up a bit better.

the other three demo's (rice_balt, rice1_balt and rice2_balt) were recorded by baltimore and emailed to me. I did not take detailed notes on those demo's but I'm told they are chock full of evidence as well.

[dice]

I like Rice and Chicken. I like him a lot. However, I played with him today and what I saw him do left me with very VERY little room to deny it to myself. I think he's walling, and after watching these demos, I 100% support ricochet's decision.

Rice - don't take this personally, but I honestly think you cheat. And we don't need that in our server.

[RicenChicken]

ha funny, dont remember making an acc here.

Dice, its all good nothing personal.
And rico, even if i said iwasnt wallhacking you wouldnt have changed your mind, i dont need to defend myself, you already have your opinion.



But i agree, this ricenchicken guy looks like hes wall hacking. (ha?)
and Baltimore, im proud of you. Befriending me, but really against me by taking demos how smart of you, unlike ricohet where he just derp herps everything.

I'll watch demos tommorow (on laptop)

Dice im sorry that you thought one shotgun shot in cellars made it look like i was walling, do you have headset? cause there was a guy derp running right into my herp fire.


haha :D my post probably makes no sense, oh well.


RICOCHET. YOU. ARE WAY TO SRS.

[dice]

I use Grado SR60i's with an Azuntech Meridian. I have a pretty good audio setup and if there's anything I'm good at in CS:S its paying attention to audio cues.

As I said in-game, I was speccing that shot from the moment you entered apartments. You fragged me, so really I was watching you most of the round :p. And that shot was inexplicably blatant. Furthermore, it wasn't the only questionable shot you had today, not to mention these demos are pretty dirty.



EDIT

I DO NOT believe any action should be taken on lazytown as a result of the pictured steam conversation. I would take those screenshots with a grain of salt >.> Rice isn't someone you should take seriously lol

[ZERO]

I will check these out tomorrow, is there any demo in particular that really stands out?

[stalin]

i've been suspicious of rice myself, just never got a good solid demo. i watched the first 4 demo's, the first is by far good enough for a permanent ban in my opinion. he also takes advantage of map glitches in demo 4. as for lazytown, rice is always trying to get lazy banned. he nags me all the time. i have run countless demo's on lazy, none showing anything. best way to kill lazy is to camp an unlikely spot and he is an easy kill. i am confident in saying lazy does not hack and that rice does.

[ricochet]

zero, the first demo listed in my notes is the most obvious. All of them, however, show signs of walling. He's pretty good at not looking directly at any players. He mostly looks in the general direction of players to see where they are.

[BladeTwinSwords]

Hey this IS the guy who we permabanned just before the update for walling. He is also the guy who managed to trick hallwagner into permabanning himself.

[elpolloloco]

Put me down in the "I like Rice and Chicken he's a cool guy but I also think he's hacking" camp.

I used to wall-hack. When I first got onto Ibis many many moons ago, at the time, I had replaced the wall textures with transparent textures. I had my fun but after a while hacking gets boring.

My KD ratio should tell ya that I suck but I don't care. I'd rather get the team win and do something hilariously stupid that gets myself killed than PWN SUM NUBS.

My point? umm.. I guess. I think if peeps are cool like Rice and Chicken and are given a chance to admit they're hackin', we should give em a little time to umm.. admit it without penalty. I personally don't care that much if someone is hacking as long as I KNOW they're hacking for sure.

[ricochet]

My point? umm.. I guess. I think if peeps are cool like Rice and Chicken and are given a chance to admit they're hackin', we should give em a little time to umm.. admit it without penalty

I care. Hackers should be dealt without mercy. There needs to be a ZERO tolerance policy here. There are enough honest players to fill the ranks of the ibis servers that we don't need dishonest players here.

If I were zero, I would remove your admin rights immediately.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

yeah...pollo...you kinda just fucked yourself over right there.

i mean, in the past, someone was banned for no other reason than because he had hacked in a different game in the past (comic, in case no-one remembers who i'm talking about)

[elpolloloco]

Hey man, I got no problem admitting it. If ppl feel the need to ban me for something I did about 2 years ago then so be it. I just thought I would be honest. I enjoy playing for the sake of playing now, no matter how shitty my score.

As far as what I said about not banning ppl who admit they hack. That's just if I ran my own server. I know the rules here and if I suspect someone of hacking I'll keep my eye on them and pass some info on, but I'm not the kind of guy to ban someone. I'd rather someone else do it. Mostly because I don't trust me own final judgement. Some people are just badass players.

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but I'm not the kind of guy to ban someone

At least not for hacking. I'll kick/ban tk'ers, mic spammers, and other people who are constantly annoying

[BladeTwinSwords]

I received word from hallwagner (yes him) that Rice and Chicken has been banned from VA gg server for wallhacking as well. I'm also going to put a link to the perma ban on him from pub before the update once I find it.

Found it

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/3848-STEAM_0-0-14172530-iHek-Rice-and-Chicken

[๖ReS]

I always smelled something fishy about him...

Or maybe that smell...

was poultry...

[BaL-|-imore]

Here’s my 2 cents:
1. I think Rico makes a good point. We cannot afford to go easy on hacking. If we start allowing hacking on our server to go openly unpunished then we’ll lose the reputation this server has created over the years of being a fun server with good talent.

2. I’ve played with Rice now for a while and never took much notice if he was hacking or not. If he was, he was always sly enough to not draw my outright attention to it. When I first heard he was being accused of hacking I was skeptical as I’ve had a LONG history of playing this game getting ban’d from many a server over the years for “alleged” hacking, ALL while being completely legit. I’ve never once used ANY type of hack or cheat; I’ve always just taken it as a complement of my skill. I’ve found that some people get jealous if you continually own them. I still have ZERO aim, but my only hack is 10 years of Counter Strike experience and a brain that was able to master biostatistics. But, when I started to hear server veterans like Rico and Dice talking about that he’s hacking it made me pay more attention.

3. Rice is a difficult case. Most of the hackers that come on the server are random players. They don’t stick around, they don’t establish friendships. On top of that, Rice is a top-notch talent w/o hacks…which makes spotting hacks all that more tough. He’s got a TON of hours/weeks/years invested into playing this game. What I noticed was that he wasn’t hacking ALL the time, but mostly when he thought someone else was hacking. This, in no way excuses him from hacking, as Rico’s point is solid, but all this together does sort of put him in a different type of hacker. I think he’s a hacker that legitimately enjoys playing on this server.

4. I’ve heard from another respected admin on this server (not Pollo) that he’s upset that Rice is being accused of hacking and that he’s thinking of quitting IBIS all together over this issue. I think that may be a little over-dramatic, but I do recognize what this means. It means that Rice was able to establish some strong friendships on this server. I personally thought he could be a lot of fun to play with from time to time, but every once in a while he’d get in some antagonistic mode and just try to piss everyone off, e.g.) camping spawn as a T on de_maps, or block teammates to try to get them killed so he could steal their awp. Overall, he’s succeeded in pissing off too many people and got the server to turn against him.

5. Perma baning him may not be the best option on the table at this point. It appears he’s been perma ban’d before. From what I hear, it’s not too difficult to download a new steam ID. He’ll probably just end up coming back and become an even bigger asshole as he’ll now have an ax to grind. I think there's a SMARTER option. That is, if we can teach him that he really doesn’t want to hack regardless if a few do from time to time…but instead helps us to find those fucktards so that we can ban them, then he just might turn out to be an asset for this server. In the end, he’s just a teenage douche bag, but with potential to be a cool guy and a great addition for this server.

So, my recommendation is this. I think we need to take Rico’s point and ban him, but only temporarily, maybe a week or two. Give him some time to think about it. Give him some time to go play on other servers and maybe find one he prefers or maybe he’ll discover that good FF/On servers are a rare thing. But, give him one more chance to come back and join our community. But, if he comes back early or even starts a whisper of hacking then the name Rice and Chicken goes on an auto-perma ban w/o the need for any further evidence.

[ricochet]

On top of that, Rice is a top-notch talent w/o hacks…which makes spotting hacks all that more tough.

I completely disagree with that. If he was a "top notch talent" he wouldn't be hacking to begin with.

He's demonstrated that he could give two shits about the ibis community. He doesn't deserve be playing here.

If he gets a new ID and comes back he'll be caught again and banned.

I'm dissapointed, baltimore, that you would suggest anything other than a zero
tolerance policy towards hacking. He won't change and nothing you do or say will change him. That, I can gaurantee.

He wasn't just hacking when he thought someone else was, as you would claim. He was doing it ALL the time, unless he felt he was being watched or recorded.



Also, who give a flying fuck that he made friendships here. He was caught hacking and needs to be banned. If his friends are that upset then they can go find another server with him for all I care.

He needs to GTFO :assault:

[fLoSs]

agreed with rico. there should be a no tol on hacking... if you're lame enough to go get them and use them on servers you usually play on, then you deserve a perma with no questions asked... and rice ROFL@YOU! i was working my own demos on you aswell, and i love that i had a convo with dfleet about specing you the other day, to which he says blah blah he's played here forever, he doesnt hack noob... how do people not understand that this is the damn internet... people you think you know on a game can easily deceive you in any way, just because he's "played here forever" doesnt mean he can't still be hacking....

rice has been so obvious with it it's retarded... he'll go off on a bogus walling spree, then start running around acting like an idiot and make sure he dies to someone he easily sees thru the walls, to get people off his trail... so stupid...

and what's up zero long time no see... i been gone for like a year or 2, good to be back O_o

edit: not trying to bash you or anything dfleet, i like u bro, it was just lame that you just tossed my advice out the window...douche....

[stalin]

yea, it doesn't matter how long rice has played or how many friends he has....the point is, he cheats. ricochet made a good call with the perma ban and rice should not have a second chance. if we were to let him get away with it we might as well just invite hackers into the server. being an admin is a job, and sometimes it may require banning a friend or a regular, but it has to be done if they're cheating.

[ricochet]

he was already banned for walling before the update came out. This time around WAS his second chance as far as I'm concerned. He was allowed to have one too may chances!

[wack0]

I was going to come here and defend him, then I did some googling and saw how many other servers he has been banned from for walling, and then I saw that he had already been banned from this server last year. I like the guy but the evidence against him is too strong to ignore.

[Spasm]

Hey man, I got no problem admitting it. If ppl feel the need to ban me for something I did about 2 years ago then so be it. I just thought I would be honest. I enjoy playing for the sake of playing now, no matter how shitty my score.

As far as what I said about not banning ppl who admit they hack. That's just if I ran my own server. I know the rules here and if I suspect someone of hacking I'll keep my eye on them and pass some info on, but I'm not the kind of guy to ban someone. I'd rather someone else do it. Mostly because I don't trust me own final judgement. Some people are just badass players.

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At least not for hacking. I'll kick/ban tk'ers, mic spammers, and other people who are constantly annoying

I like you el pollo loco, but you might have just dug yourself a grave. Comic got permabanned for previous hacking, ibis has a zero tolerance for hacking, previous or current offender.

As far as rice is concerned, I enjoyed playing with the guy and even if he was hacking I loved pwning his ass. Rules are rules though, even if you are a regular and have friends on the server.

[ricochet]

spasm, did you get your avatar at the same place I got mine?

lol

pollo can be annoying at times but I believe he's a good guy. I don't have issues with him.

[Spasm]

spasm, did you get your avatar at the same place I got mine?

lol

pollo can be annoying at times but I believe he's a good guy. I don't have issues with him.

I got mine off of 4chan lol, in the .gif section. I don't have any problem with the crazy chicken either, I was just bringing up the past really, with comic getting permabanned for previous hacking. It's something he should be keeping to himself imo.

[elpolloloco]

So be it.

But seriously. I'm willing to bet at least half of you have hacked in the past, at least for curiosity's sake, and not necessarily on THIS server. You just (wisely) won't admit it. Seriously though? How can you really tell if someone is aimbotting or wallhacking just from looking their behaviors unless you've taken part in it at once time in the past, however long ago it may have been?

[Spasm]

you tube.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

So be it.

But seriously. I'm willing to bet at least half of you have hacked in the past, at least for curiosity's sake, and not necessarily on THIS server. You just (wisely) won't admit it. Seriously though? How can you really tell if someone is aimbotting or wallhacking just from looking their behaviors unless you've taken part in it at once time in the past, however long ago it may have been?

i have never hacked. but you don't need to have hacked to recognize them in some cases.

[usmc../ fetty]

hahaha finally i knew the fag has hacked and jus never demoed because if i went spec or nething he wouldnt do shit hed be an idiot....but anyways rice is a whiney little bitch and i could give a fuck less what happened as long as i dont have to get a im on steam every two minutes about someone hackin especially lazyy its the most annoying fuckin thin at any random givin time of my day for him to post 7 million times!


fuck u rice and have a good day

[acolyte_to_jippity]

its the most annoying fuckin thin at any random givin time of my day for him to post 7 million times!


wait, wut?

[lazyotwn]

I just want to say that I don't think I've ever said more than two words to Rice. And I don't have him on my friend list either. I'm sure most of the people who play with me often will say that I barely talk to anyone when I'm in the server. But yea, him accusing me of providing him with a website is a complete and total farce. I do recall even providing my opinion to a couple of the admins on the question of whether Rice hacked or not.

I've played CS for a retarded long time, and I don't make a habit of accusing people of hacking unless I'm 99% sure (walls are pretty ambiguous and alot of the time you can't ever be 100% sure unless you are at the person's house watching them play). I know how much it can suck to be falsely accused of hacking, as it has happened to me for years. Unfortunately most people's default reaction to getting their shit pushed in on a video game; is to invalidate the other person.

Anywho, I'm not sure why he chose to try and drag my name through the mud, and to be honest I don't really care. Peace out homeslice.

[fLoSs]

sigh.... honesly i dont think that half of the people in here have hacked in the past or are currently, that's just something some retard that was "curious" would say because he has in the past. i have no need, or curiousity of hacks, and it's quite simple to call someone on hacks when you've been playing as long as some of us have... when someone peaks a door directly to an enemy 3 times in a row when there is no FUCKING way they would have known that they would be there (when talking about sniping of course) you pretty much KNOW it's bogus. I've been called on hacks on numerous occasions and yea for a while i'm like sweet that means i got some skill for some retard to call me on hacks, but it gets old after a while... lol about 3 or 4 yrs ago i had a guy (meAtfAce was his name) demo me for like a month while i murdered people on one of the old sourceinvite pub servers, then perma banned me... i went to their formum, posted about it, and before the next day their owner posted, sorry bro... i watched the first 5 of his video's and looks like you're just dominating.... and that meAtfAce guy got his admin removed for apparently not knowing dick. what a great day that was... lol

and once again restated.. rice was a whiney cock most of the time anyway, fuck that kid

edit: also on lazytown, i've been in the server specing him while people were calling him on hacks and he was eating people... everything i saw was legit... i have never really talked to lazy before nor do i really know him, but i have seen no reason to accuse him of hacking (and i really really doubt he gave a site to rice), he just pulls off some bogus shots sometimes lol. after the ammount of cal i've done and countless countless scrims, i've met some crazy good people on this game, and i've seen most of any kind of hacker... you just gota know what to look for. i think that that faggot rice was just looking to take someone he didnt like down with him, especially someone that could kill him while he was wallin rofl... (given he's not CRAZY good or anything, just occasionally lucky lol, and i'm sure it pissed off that QQing rice kid)

[ricochet]

zero,

what say you?

[ZERO]

As I said before I get back late on Tuesdays. Finished my tests and looks like I did well. I am going to get a good night sleep and tomorrow I have a short day. So I will be reviewing all the demos then :wtg:

I take this seriously and that is why I will not review it until I can do it properly. I will even pull back logged source tv demos if I need. So keep your pants on I am going to be looking these over soon. :wtg:

[maynard]

4. I’ve heard from another respected admin on this server (not Pollo) that he’s upset that Rice is being accused of hacking and that he’s thinking of quitting IBIS all together over this issue.

then he might as well quit, we're not going 2 overlook a hacker cause someone is friends with the guy. we don't involve emotion, or personal feelings when it comes 2 reviewing demo's and making choices on bans, nor should any admin in this community. not sure why this thread is so big lol... it's simple... he's either hacking or he's not.

and given the fact he's already been perma bannd for hacking on 1 IBIS server.... well yeah.. doesn't look 2 good for him. and when he was bannd from WCS (I think it was) he shoulda at that time been bannd from all the servers.

but my point is that hacking is about as bad a thing you can do on CSS. In IBIS, we don't fuck around 1 bit when it comes 2 hackers. if you're found hacking, you're done in this community....... end of story.

[RicenChicken]

Ah floss, you make me laugh, you say im a whiner, yet your entire post is whining about me.

And i dont WCS maynard. I got banned on GG because the admins were abusing and i called them out on it, so they banned me to let their "friends" in.

[BaL-|-imore]

but my point is that hacking is about as bad a thing you can do on CSS.

This will probably bring fire and brimstone down upon me…but, I've always been a straight shooter and have already prepared my soul for hell, so here it is:

Hacking is more annoying than anything. It's about as annoying as admin abuse, but neither of them are the worst possible thing that could happen to the server.

Hacking is annoying but rather simple to fix. You can just jump into spectate or get the attention of an admin. But at the end of the day, we all know these hackers are usually some random fucktards who couldn’t go head-to-head with any of us legitimately. But, more importantly they don’t represent the server.

Admin abuse, on the other hand, is as equally annoying as hacking but much harder to fix, as you can’t just jump into spectate to avoid them as they’ll kick ya from there too. You can’t call another admin to ban them either, but I’ve seen many more people get picked on by admin abuse on this server than hacked. They’re those guys that think having a video game admin gives them a bigger penis. But, in the end, it’s still that microscopic flagellum it’s always been ever since they first picked up the awp 5 years ago after “lawling” from the Boom! Head Shot! video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olm7xC-gBMY). But the worst part is because they represent the server as admins they leave everyone with a bad taste in their mouth about the server, which leads me to my next point.

The worst possible thing that could happen to the server is if people stopped consistently playing on it. That’s the regulars who come day-in, day-out. A lot of them don’t have admin but whatever be their compulsion, they come to fill this server every day. Without the regulars the server dies faster than stage V lung disease. I’ve heard from many regulars on this and have sort of taken on the role of representing their voice in this discussion.

Speaking of this discussion, this really isn’t a debate whether he was hacking or not. I think the evidence is clear. He was definitely hacking. It’s now a discussion of how to pass judgment. If the server wants to mindlessly go about implementing draconian measures, so be it…end of discussion. On the other hand, if reason and logic have any sway then all the evidence needs to be considered when passing good judgment.

All that the regulars are saying is, Rice was a different type of hacker. He was like Omar from The Wire. Yes, he’s gay as fuck, but he’s also cool as fuck. What I mean by this is how Omar only robbed people “in the game” such as other drug dealers, from what I saw there at the end, Rice tended to only hack others “in the game” i.e.) other hackers and abusive admins. I think a lot of the regulars respected that about him, if not “respected” they at least acknowledged him as one of the regulars. The problem was, because HE was hacking he became paranoid and suspected EVERYONE else was hacking too…which is blatantly not true. For all of this he needs to be punished.

But, most of us regulars think that Rice needs to be punished but not perma ban’d. Give him a chance to learn from this mistake. His skill set has now improved to the point that he can face us legitimately, man-to-man if he makes that choice. I think this could be a good, “Take-the-training-wheels-off” moment for Rice.

[lazyotwn]

To be honest, I don't know where all this hacking against hackers came from. Most of the time I suspected Rice of hacking, there weren't any other suspicious types in the server; unless he thinks I hack, which would then explain that point. And even if someone hacks only when a hacker is in the server, I highly doubt he restricted himself to only killing that said hacker. So that means he was being a big a douchebag to everyone else who wasn't hacking, as the other douchebag he was trying to punish.

Two wrongs don't make a right. If someone is hacking in the server, record a demo; submit it to the forums for review. Hopefully, that person gets banned from the servers, and from the 3k+ SteamBans servers as well. Don't hackmode engage, and then allow for the guy to come back time and again to continue his spree of faggotry.

Basically, if someone is hacking, no matter what their justification, even if they are a "cool guy" or not; they are being a dipshit to everyone in the server. I would take it as a kick in the nuts for a guy I think is a cool dude, to through hacks in my face.

[ZERO]

Ok here is the breakdown in order:


Clear signs of walling, watched with and without mat_wireframe, no sb_status included in demo
Appears to be walling at the start looking at where the other team went, sb_stats included
Nothing
Just saw him breaking rules via camping
Showed that he knows how to play cs:s
Possible walls or good timing
Nothing
Showed that he can hear sound.

So from what I saw the only decent demo only showed 1 instance and did not include the sb_status required to report to steam bans. I am also reviewing source tv demos that I have and will post those up with a final review.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

So from what I saw the only decent demo only showed 1 instance and did not include the sb_status required to report to steam bans. I am also reviewing source tv demos that I have and will post those up with a final review.

do the sourceTV's do sb_status?

[StarsMine]

...

you represent the regulars what?
All of the regs are saying rice shouldnt be perma'd if he is hacking what?

Bal, do not project YOUR feelings on everyone else. Also Hacking against Hackers does not by ANY stretch of the imagination make it OK as he was killing everyone, not the suspected Hacker.

[maynard]

did not include the sb_status required to report to steam

.... oi

either way though if demo 1 is clear signs of hacking well.. then he should be gone. look forward 2 your final verdict. given the fact he's already been bannd by 2 diff clan memebrs now on 2 diff IBIS servers for the same reason... and the fact you said demo 1 is clear signs of hacking... lol ya... R I P Hacker.


do the sourceTV's do sb_status?

lets hope so.

[BaL-|-imore]

you represent the regulars what?
All of the regs are saying rice shouldnt be perma'd if he is hacking what?

Bal, do not project YOUR feelings on everyone else. Also Hacking against Hackers does not by ANY stretch of the imagination make it OK as he was killing everyone, not the suspected Hacker.

Well, let's see....you've got a pub#1 rank 0.

Anyways, I really don't give two shits about Rice one way or the other, but I have been getting plenty of PM's from many real regulars who agree he should be punished but disagree that he should be perma ban'd.

I just thought their voice deserved to be expressed...as well as everyone else here who's voiced their opinion on the matter. I think this all contributes to allowing Zero to make the best decision.

But, I agree with you COMPLETELY that hacking against hackers does not make it OK. I would completely disagree with not giving some sort of severe punishment, be it perma ban or long but temporary ban, etc.

[maynard]

but I have been getting plenty of PM's from many real regulars who agree he should be punished but disagree that he should be perma ban'd.

cool story bro. we don't give hackers second chances.

actually... you can claim we do give second chances! cause when he was permabannd the first time for hacking, he some how managed 2 slip through the cracks and not get permad from all the servers... and now yet again he's come up for hacking... and even though this is the only first reported time prior 2 his last, many people have said they believe him 2 be backing at many points in the past... and he probably was.

[StarsMine]

Bal why in hells name are they PMing you as if you can do anything about it? All these ghost people you are talking about are free to post their opinions here. Other then that, I have never heard anyone in wcs, gg, or zmod that they dont want him perma.

[BaL-|-imore]

Bal why in hells name are they PMing you as if you can do anything about it? All these ghost people you are talking about are free to post their opinions here. Other then that, I have never heard anyone in wcs, gg, or zmod that they dont want him perma.

I've heard from several that they're intimidated to unleash the wrath of khan.

Anyways, the case has been presented equitably on both sides.

[maynard]

I've heard from several that they're intimidated to unleash the wrath of khan.

well if they don't post their opinion then it doesn't count for jack shit.. and even if they did post it, it still wouldn't matter cause they like you have nothing 2 do with this process.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

well if they don't post their opinion then it doesn't count for jack shit.. and even if they did post it, it still wouldn't matter cause they like you have nothing 2 do with this process.

this.

this isn't a courtroom. there is no judge that will allow "character witnesses" to present mitigating circumstances. neither your opinion, or the collective opinion of these mysterious "regulars" matter. the only reason zero might allow rice to stay would be so we can catch him in demo we can submit to steambans. of course, since zero isn't a fucking retard, that's probably not going to happen.

[ZERO]

Ah so I found the source tv demo that also has the sb status in it for submission. Based off the demos I have seen and there were some other source tv demos I reviewed as well it appears that he toggles wall hacks. As a result it is the determination to upgrade this ban to a perma ban from all servers. The attached demo will also be sent to steam bans to ensure that other servers and communities will be protected. :wtg:

[maynard]

another hackers bites the dust. say farewell 2 your steam account lol.

[RicenChicken]

Maynard, i guess you didnt read my post.

I got banned because hallwagner was stupid enough to ban himself.
and i got banned because admins wanted their friends to join and i called them out on abusing.

This is the first time getting banned of hacking acusitions.

Its funny you think my steam account will dissapear, i dont toggle wall hack, im not stupid enough to go dload a program thats detected by vac.

And its sad to see actual blatant hackers get by, and you ban some1 that actually has the decentcy to know how to play the game.


its w/e though GL on trying to get my acc banned.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Maynard, i guess you didnt read my post.

I got banned because hallwagner was stupid enough to ban himself.
and i got banned because admins wanted their friends to join and i called them out on abusing.

This is the first time getting banned of hacking acusitions.

Its funny you think my steam account will dissapear, i dont toggle wall hack, im not stupid enough to go dload a program thats detected by vac.

And its sad to see actual blatant hackers get by, and you ban some1 that actually has the decentcy to know how to play the game.


its w/e though GL on trying to get my acc banned.

i doubt you were perma'd for calling out abuse.

[maynard]

Its funny you think my steam account will dissapear, i dont toggle wall hack, im not stupid enough to go dload a program thats detected by vac.


Lol the demo's zero has of you hacking have SB status due 2 source TV, he's sending them 2 vac bans, once they see the demo of you hacking, your account will be bannd, you don't need 2 get caught again =)


The attached demo will also be sent to steam bans to ensure that other servers and communities will be protected.

[RicenChicken]

bet you million bucks i wont be vac banned ever. unless my acc gets hack and some1 hacks it.

The only way you get vac banned is if your .dll files get messed with. I didnt dload any file that messed with .dlls kid.

And its funny you have no response to why my other bans were unjust.

Oh and acolytes.
They banned me off the basis of "Disrespect and friends need to come in"

I guess saying admin abuse when they were blinding/time bombing/w/e kicking. is disrespect.
shows how much the GG admins are corrupt.

[maynard]

And its funny you have no response to why my other bans were unjust.

Lmfao... you're a fail hacker nothing more. I don't give a shit about your prior bans cause you've been now perma bannd from all IBIS servers.

end result, you're a hacker, you've done nothing but lie 2 this community about it meaning you're nothing but a liar. what you say from here on out doesn't matter cause you've proved you're nothing but a hacker and a liar. you're done in this community, and you can be easily tracked through your steam ID and we can easily and constantly inform other servers of this thread and our demos of you provided you don't get vac bannd, even though you will =)... just a matter of time.

farewell.

you fail that's really all there is left 2 say at this point lol, farewell.

as my pic says, "Don't use Hax Fag Lol"

[acolyte_to_jippity]

you've lied like crazy.

you WERE perma banned before the OB update. here.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/3848-STEAM_0-0-14172530-iHek-Rice-and-Chicken

i even found the thread. so no, your other ban was NOT from gg because an admin's friend wanted to join.

luckily, the previous demo also has sb_status in it, so we can send that one as well if we must.

[maynard]

sb_status in it, so we can send that one as well if we must.

upload it and inform zero so he can send both demo's off together.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

upload it and inform zero so he can send both demo's off together.

it's in the topic i linked.

hitman's demo

[ricochet]

Rice tended to only hack others “in the game” i.e.) other hackers and abusive admins.

Baltimore, your assumptions are flat out wrong. I was the victim of Rice and Chicken many times. I don't consider myself to be abusive and I'd like to consider myself a respected regular in the servers. I DID NOT appreciate being on the short end of his bullshit stick.

wacko was also a victim in one of the demo's I posted. I have no doubt you were also. Rice hacked when no one was paying attention. When someone did pay attention, he stopped or just F'd around as was seen in the demo's. Then, when no one was watching again, he was off to the races.

There's only one way to deal with someone who's been banned now three times (2 in the pub and one in GG) and that's to permanently ban the Mother F'r!

Zero,


Clear signs of walling, watched with and without mat_wireframe, no sb_status included in demo
Appears to be walling at the start looking at where the other team went, sb_stats included
Nothing
Just saw him breaking rules via camping
Showed that he knows how to play cs:s
Possible walls or good timing
Nothing
Showed that he can hear sound.
So from what I saw the only decent demo only showed 1 instance and did not include the sb_status required to report to steam bans. I am also reviewing source tv demos that I have and will post those up with a final review.


The sb_status IS in the rice+chick1 demo. Look in the console right after the Double Doors awping moment. It's there, I just verified it.


Ah so I found the source tv demo that also has the sb status in it for submission. Based off the demos I have seen and there were some other source tv demos I reviewed as well it appears that he toggles wall hacks. As a result it is the determination to upgrade this ban to a perma ban from all servers. The attached demo will also be sent to steam bans to ensure that other servers and communities will be protected.

Awesome.

Thanks, Zero.

See kiddies, hard work DOES pay off. Get the right demo's and it's a done deal.

[BaL-|-imore]

I concede, the verdict is Just.

I tend to take a devil's advocate position on discussions.



...Game On!

[ZERO]

The sb_status IS in the rice+chick1 demo. Look in the console right after the Double Doors awping moment. It's there, I just verified it.

No, that is just a status output, sb_status is different.

[maynard]

I tend to take a devil's advocate position on discussions.

lmfao... devils advocate my ass.. you even agreed he's hacking but claimed cause he's well liked he should be dealt with on a less severe lvl lol...

nothing throughout your posts even remotely resembled the works of a "devils advocate" lol.



sb_status is different.

Hackers are bad mmmmkay.

[BaL-|-imore]

lmfao... devils advocate my ass.. you even agreed he's hacking but claimed cause he's well liked he should be dealt with on a less severe lvl lol...

nothing throughout your posts even remotely resembled the works of a "devils advocate" lol.




Hackers are bad mmmmkay.

Do, you really get your panties in such a twist because someone disagrees with you? Are you that insecure in yourself? That's really a shame.

By definition: A Devil's Advocate: (noun) a person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument or to expose it to a thorough examination. Source: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Devil's+Advocate)

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Do, you really get your panties in such a twist because someone disagrees with you? Are you that insecure in yourself? That's really a shame.

By definition: A Devil's Advocate: (noun) a person who advocates an opposing or unpopular cause for the sake of argument or to expose it to a thorough examination. Source: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Devil's+Advocate)

we also calls them trolls.

people who get involved where they're not needed, just to start shit. normally under the justification of "teh lulz"

[BaL-|-imore]

we also calls them trolls.

people who get involved where they're not needed, just to start shit. normally under the justification of "teh lulz"

Lets see. I was involved in this process from the get go.

If you'll notice, 3 of the demos of Rice were recorded by me and given to Rico.

Calling me a "troll" is nothing but an ad hominem.

The difference between ignorance and stupidity is that ignorance can be corrected with knowledge.

[lazyotwn]

Bdrrrrrrrrrrrrp!

[acolyte_to_jippity]

actually, i would commit the fallacy of ad hominem if i was attacking your position because you're a troll. i am not. your position (leniency) is wrong because it has no premises to support it. now, if i was saying that your position was wrong because you're a troll, THEN it would be ad hominem. as it is, i was less targeting you specifically, but more your definition of devil's advocate. even so, you have no say in the end fate of hackers. they are removed permanently. no thorough examination is required.
he hacks -> we caught him -> he will be removed.

playing devils advocate only serves to stir up arguments and start shit, hence troll.

[lazyotwn]

So in essence, you invalidated your own argument, because you just surmised his position as being a troll. Good day sir.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

So in essence, you invalidated your own argument, because you just surmised his position as being a troll. Good day sir.

...no.

you don't understand logic at all

[ZERO]

The difference between ignorance and stupidity is that ignorance can be corrected with knowledge.

Ah, so you must know what knowledge is! :smirk: