The Petition to ban Slipstream from the forums.

[Disflux]

Since Slipstream has just been one huge pain in the ass while he still has the privilege of being able to post in the forums, I thought that a nice little petition to get him banned would be a nice little sendaway (I'm guessing he'll be banned from the forums sometime soon anyways). I don't think I need to pull up any of the posts he's made recently, as they're practically everywhere.

So just +1 if you think Slipstream should be banned from the forums, let's see how many hits we can get.
:reddot:

Oh, and I'm totally expecting some belligerent narcissistic reply back from Slipstream that perfectly emulates his incapability of accepting the fact that literally, everybody, hates him.


+1

[acolyte_to_jippity]

i would +1 this if i actually cared about him...at all.


inb4 his "i don't care you don't care":
i don't care that you don't care that i don't care.

[brett friggin favre]

+1, i dont see him much but when i do he's just being a complete moron

[Jiggy]

i +1 on this one also and brett i agree with u

[slipstream]

+1
You're right, I don't care. I don't know why I haven't been banned already, must have something to do with incompetence. You would think that anyone that has been perma banned on the servers and had their unban request turned down would automatically be banned on the forum there after. But then again, with the lack of common sense around here, it really doesn't surprise me that that isn't the order of which things are done.

It's funny some of the responses I get from admins on other servers I have been going to. I inform them right away about my skins too and that I was banned over here, they just laugh and say something rude about ibis after.

Good servers don't sell admin to everyone, that not only is greedy, obviously it's greedy, but it's stupid. When you give admin to people like wassabi, you know someones desperate for money.

Why did it take so long for this thread to get made, I was almost about to make it myself.

[Jiggy]

stfu slip i think you have mental problems yes they should ban you from the forums all u do is cause problems get ur head outta ur ass and act mature

[acolyte_to_jippity]

actually slip, i can explain exactly why we give admin to anyone who pays.

it's because the system works. we rarely have failtards as admins, and we're quick to remove them when they pop up. your opinion isn't worth shit. from the moment you set foot in our servers you were unwanted. now i think it's time for you to walk away, back to your mother's basement, and cry yourself to sleep. and, before you try to correct me about your situation in life, understand that i don't fucking care.
you are how you act, and you act like an inbred virgin teenager who thinks he's special because his mommy makes him breakfast every morning before kissing him on the head and going out to stand on a corner, praying that each guy who pulls up isn't a cop in disguise.

[slipstream]

wassabi, let me introduce you to a friend of mine.

PUNCTUATION MARKS!! THEY DO MORE THAN MAKE SMILEY FACES. :P
http://visual.merriam-webster.com/images/communications/communications/punctuation-marks.jpg



it's because the system works. we rarely have failtards as admins, and we're quick to remove them when they pop up. your opinion isn't worth shit. from the moment you set foot in our servers you were unwanted. now i think it's time for you to walk away, back to your mother's basement, and cry yourself to sleep. and, before you try to correct me about your situation in life, understand that i don't fucking care.
you are how you act, and you act like an inbred virgin teenager who thinks he's special because his mommy makes him breakfast every morning before kissing him on the head and going out to stand on a corner, praying that each guy who pulls up isn't a cop in disguise.
Obviously my life is not like that, where on earth did you come up with those ideas from anyway? Personal experiences? That does seem the most likely place since you have never met me and no nothing about me personally. Hmm, I don't understand the cop in disguise part, what would that have to do with anything. If you're going to insult me at least make it realistic.

[Disflux]

+1
You're right, I don't care. I don't know why I haven't been banned already, must have something to do with incompetence. You would think that anyone that has been perma banned on the servers and had their unban request turned down would automatically be banned on the forum there after. But then again, with the lack of common sense around here, it really doesn't surprise me that that isn't the order of which things are done.

It's funny some of the responses I get from admins on other servers I have been going to. I inform them right away about my skins too and that I was banned over here, they just laugh and say something rude about ibis after.

Good servers don't sell admin to everyone, that not only is greedy, obviously it's greedy, but it's stupid. When you give admin to people like wassabi, you know someones desperate for money.

Why did it take so long for this thread to get made, I was almost about to make it myself.

I was honestly hoping for something with a bit more wit actually. Disappointing.

[Bane of Soldiers]

Good servers don't sell admin to everyone? Hmmm.....I wonder why the IBIS servers are filled regularly then. Server traffic = enjoyed server.
Making bank + maintaining a steady flow of players into the server = smart :icon_mrgreen:

Lol who cares what other servers think. They jelly :stupid:

[slipstream]

Well the forum is horribly slow, and don't say it's my internet, because the rest of the web is fine, so the server for the forum sucks. The zombie mod server crashed constantly as did the gun game server. So where exactly is all your money going for?

http://www.bradgouthrofitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Maxi-Posters-The-Simpsons-To-alcohol-71475.jpg

[Carmichal]

+1 if he had any dignity left he would leave himself. I'm pretty sure he likes the beatings now.

Now for some psychology babel. He has a mind set of what I like to personally call "Charlie Sheen Syndrome" Symptoms include, but are not limited to...

- Always trying to get the last word in.
- Over inflated ego that has no validity.
- Not making any sense even though trying hard to.
- Idiotic ideas.
- Tends to be a huge moron and/or ass-hat.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Obviously my life is not like that, where on earth did you come up with those ideas from anyway? Personal experiences? That does seem the most likely place since you have never met me and no nothing about me personally. Hmm, I don't understand the cop in disguise part, what would that have to do with anything. If you're going to insult me at least make it realistic.

...

wow. i didn't expect that one to go over your head. see, i'm implying that your mom stands on corners and propositions men for sex, and that she is always hoping the next guy to pull up that she offers her (lets be honest here, low-quality) services is not an undercover cop, thus making her go to jail.

[Blackmage]

Yes, the forums are having problems currently. I doubt anyone would deny that. The forums having irregular problems for a period, when the host/owner/webmaster is not readily available for repairs, means the server sucks? Okay, so all servers in existence suck, per your definition.

ZM and GG crash constantly? You haven't played a server that crashes constantly if you believe that. Do they crash? Like most servers are apt to do, yes. Constantly? Maybe by the literal definition of the word, but again, most servers do that.

The money doesn't go to the servers? Oh, so you believe he's, for some odd roundabout reason, paying out of his own pocket without putting the money from admin in his pockets? Servers don't stay around as long as these have by magic, sir. He certainly is putting enough time into the servers, that, logically, it would make little sense to NOT be putting money towards them.

Was there any reason to type any of this, as you probably realize you sound foolish anyway? Do I enjoy responding to ignorant children like this anyway? I think you can figure out the answers to both of these comments.

[slipstream]

Who is this michelle anyway. Some nub that bought admin? Seen her on the servers like twice for very short times. So based on that, she obviously has no fucking clue about anything and is just hopping on the band wagon. Or is this ibis' secret troll that has been sicked on me? LOL, either way she fails.

acolyte_to_jippity, stay in school buddy, just take wassabi as the example as to why you should. If you're going to write anything, make sure it makes sense, or people will think you're an idiot like I am sure people do of wasabi, but are too "nice" to tell him to his face.

[Carmichal]

My advice to you is to count your losses, and move the fuck on. I'm not a troll I'm just pointing out what you're to stupid to realize. If you are banned from the servers why would you stay on the forums?

[Blackmage]

Which means she's seen you two times, ergo, you're a nub too? Or just that you "obviously ha(ve) no fucking clue about anything". You and I have seen each other zero times in server, I believe. What does that make us, or even just me? Logic, you don't make it. I say this, because, believe it or not, I HAVE seen you. Welcome to "internet forums". You have posted, and these posts shape perceptions of you, and help people figure out what you are, and know how to deal with you accordingly.

On your other point, you're saying that if you can't be understood the whole time in one medium, you are perceived as an idiot? While this is somewhat correct, there's a SLIGHT problem. It's the following, what matters ISN'T perception, it's the reality of the situation. In any case, you've proved that you can't even understand simple English in the past, so that would make everyone an idiot in your eyes? Anyway, the ability to get your point across is much more important than the ability to make your point look pretty, when you're not dealing with certain topics. There's a reason chatspeak is as popular as it is.

Michelle: I can think of a number of possible reasons. Attention, trolling, doesn't realize he's lost, thinks anything he says is worth listening to.

[slipstream]

Blackmage, you are trying too hard to come across as intelligent.

[Blackmage]

I'm sorry, who was it that is calling others idiot and correcting their punctuation? Who plays word games? Oh, but that's right, you're not trying to be intelligent, otherwise, why would you make so many blatantly obvious mistakes, and even making your own punctuation mistakes?

So I guess, I'm sorry for showing you what a school education can be used for. I'm sorry for making coherent responses, which seem to leave you unable to respond in any way other than slander. I'm sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt that you actually had more intelligence than you were showing. Will you forgive me?

FYI, if I was just TRYING, I know how to use a thesaurus.

[StarsMine]

Who is this michelle anyway. Some nub that bought admin? Seen her on the servers like twice for very short times. So based on that, she obviously has no fucking clue about anything and is just hopping on the band wagon. Or is this ibis' secret troll that has been sicked on me? LOL, either way she fails.

acolyte_to_jippity, stay in school buddy, just take wassabi as the example as to why you should. If you're going to write anything, make sure it makes sense, or people will think you're an idiot like I am sure people do of wasabi, but are too "nice" to tell him to his face.
Go back to school o.O I think EVERY knows that the phrase standing on a corner means prostitution, and EVERY one know prostitiution is illegal. Stings are a very common way to arrest and convict them.

[slipstream]

FYI, if I was just TRYING, I know how to use a thesaurus.
Fail?
Go read some of wassabi's posts, he is a giant tool and has no concept of punctuation and that one thing he wrote recently made absolutely no sense.

You might be able to piece together a sentence properly, but you are not saying anything that couldn't be said in a few words. So much about nothing, and that is where the "TRYING" part comes in. You wouldn't have needed an explanation if you were as smart as me.

[Jiggy]

lol ok this is how i take your imature shit one go back to school how know wounder u have no friends and no one likes your stupid ass anyways thats why your making everyone in ibis community annoyed with it because you have a negative stupid fucked up mind :assault: your a fuckin asshat

[Rosie]

I have mixed emotions on this topic. While of course a large part of my being wants to rid the forums of this fucktard; a portion of me will miss these heartfelt conversations. Does anyone else feel the same way? I almost think that the forums need an idiotic troll every now and again. By allowing him to stay we are in a way building rapport. It is kind of like "The enemy of my enemy, is my friend". by allowing us all to have one point in which to vent, we get along better with each other.

Nah I am just fucking with you. Boot the little whiney ass fucktard. And when you do if we could insure that his Steam ID is included in a "Finally the bitch is gone" thread. That way whenever someone on another server Googles his ID, they will have a reference that explains their anger.

An just for you Slip I will write this last bit with no punctuation- I hope it makes you pull out your red pen that your 5th grade teacher touched you with in a naughty way- and scribble on your monitor.

Deuces +1

[BladeTwinSwords]

slipstream just go back to smuT...

[Blackmage]

It's a fail to respond to your point and show how it's wrong? Alright.

As for Wassabi's last post, let's take it and add punctuation.


STFU, Slip. I think you have mental problems. Yes, they should ban you from the forums. All u do is cause problems. Get ur head outta ur ass and act mature.

Or his other recent post:


Hey, Slip, there u go with ur stupid shit again. GTFO, no one likes u. Get on my level.

Hey look, all I did was add punctuation and it makes sense. Granted that last sentence is an "in-comment/slang". Otherwise, you're saying you know what is missing, and you couldn't figure it out. This is a VERY good way of showing just how smart you are. As you probably won't be able to figure out what THAT means, it means you are NOT very smart.

Okay, so you've clarified what you meant by "trying". Being clear, and responding to points made is "trying to sound smart"? But, then you also say using too few words makes you a giant tool? Would you care to let me know how many words are allowed? Or even better, rewrite one of my previous posts without removing anything I said, making it ambiguous in any way or changing the tone.

I guess I COULD have just said it with "You: Wrong".

I'm also afraid that "as smart as you" is a slight misnomer, as that sentence suggests that you are smarter than myself, something that you have done nothing but try to disprove. If you ARE suggesting you want me to dumb down to your level, well, I'm sorry, I see no need to "understand" what you see from there.

Rosie: But, I enjoy writing up responses like this which get the other person to ignore them and just try to use lies and slander to prove their point :)

[ProRanger!!!]

This entire thread is hilarious. Carry on.

[slipstream]

lol ok this is how i take your imature shit one go back to school how know wounder u have no friends and no one likes your stupid ass anyways thats why your making everyone in ibis community annoyed with it because you have a negative stupid fucked up mind your a fuckin asshat

Okay, now do this one. Don't forget any spelling mistakes he made. Oh, and I didn't read what you wrote, I'll use the tl;dr crap people use. Just summarize it for me in a sentence. I don't know how people miss the red squiggly line under a misspelled word.

@blade
You know I am just trolling these turds right. I have plenty of time, and 2 minutes to write a reply is no trouble at all. I think some of these people should come on over and play on smuT once in a while, way too uptight around here. If anyone does come and play, just don't get mad about racism or people calling you names and swearing a lot.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/7/73/20110128203738!Trollface.png

[ChosenofChaos]

This is fantastic! By all means, let the rantings continue. :icon_mrgreen:

[BladeTwinSwords]

Well you do realize that Sinister has been banned about 50 times (including a perma) is not banned from the forums either.

[StarsMine]

Well you do realize that Sinister has been banned about 50 times (including a perma) is not banned from the forums either.

Well sinister never became as much of a problem as slip.

[Blackmage]

Let's delve into his latest masterpiece. Oh boy, I do enjoy this kind of post.

First, his tl;dr request: You're doing a better job of trolling yourself than trolling us.

Second, notice he pretends to ignore me again. Says he didn't read what I said, and yet knows that I corrected Wassabi's post, without having corrected his spelling. Not even a quip towards me. While it's boring, at least he knows when he's been beaten.

Let's do the other thing he asked.


Lol, okay, this is how I take your immature shit. One, go back to school. No wonder you have no friends and no one likes your stupid ass. Anyways, that's why you're making everyone in IBIS community annoyed with it, because you have a negative stupid fucked up mind, you're a fuckin' asshat.

Next, his comments on Wassabi. He complains about spelling mistakes when he doesn't even know what the words he's using mean. Hint: illiterate means reading AND writing. In his first paragraph, he's admitting to being lazy AND wondering why people "miss" the red lines. Logic is NOT his strong suit. Back to Wassabi, most of his spelling "mistakes" are due to using chatspeak. He missed a "m" in immature, added a "u" to wonder, which made a real word, BTW. Everything else is chatspeak, plus a random extra word. There were less red lines in his post than there are in mine.

Also, great job on the thought process there. Jumping from one thought to another, not making your subject clear. For being so anal about spelling and punctuation, he certainly is a novice at this whole using English "thing".

Now, for his comments to Blade.

First, turd? Well, that goes to prove my "child" theory.

As for the "2 minutes to write a reply", if it takes you THAT long to write what you have written, I suggest either this (http://www.amazon.com/Mavis-Beacon-Teaches-Typing-18/dp/B0014ZQMXO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318577037&sr=8-1) or else this (http://www.synaptol.com/synaptol-natural-add-medicine/?utm_campaign=Synaptol.com&utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=add%20medicine&s_kwcid=add%20medicine|5155734022&gclid=CPOb5MvS56sCFQUKKgodKC8ELw). Not sure which would be more helpful for your "situation".

Then there is "uptight". Not sure what word he means, but... Actually there is no but. Which is uptight? The fact that I'm having an argument because of my sadomasochistic tendencies? That we expect people to follow simple rules that even children should understand? That we think some maturity is a good thing? That we have no problems playing with trolls?

Finally we have THIS gem "...racism or people calling you names and swearing a lot."... Ok, which server did he play on? Is Pub our black sheep and the only place he played? It wasn't GG or WCS, I know that. ZM, I haven't played that much, but I do know who plays there, and doubt it's much better. Wait, is this really the same guy who played at all? Or maybe my second option IS what he needs.

[slipstream]

Blade, there was no way I would change my skins back just to be unbanned, and even then there is no way to prove it. It's still a stupid ban and maynard knows it, hell, everyone I've told outside of ibis knows it. I followed the rules in the servers, when there was a problem of any kind, either I was told to post it on the forums from someone in the game, or I came and posted about it anyway. Either way people bitched and complained about me bringing up issues in the servers. So in the end, I was not the problem, I was actually trying to get things in the servers resolved and that would cause the servers to be a better place to play. I don't know if it was due to laziness, not caring, ignorance or what ever else, but the real problem was how issues were handled when brought up.

Now blackmage thinks he knows what he is talking about (I really don't know, I don't read what he writes any more), like most of the people that can do nothing else but throw their lame insults at me like they are going to affect me in any way, too funny. If anyone would actually take the time to read EXACTLY what the problems are, or just the simple minor issues, or if there is an actual complaint take it seriously, they might get resolved. Everyone should know full well that there will be more complaints about the servers, I've already seen one, but no one gives a shit. Just ignore the people that complain and maybe they will go away. But the problems are still there.

[taz1stP]

ok lets just put him on the same page as all the other people who cant talk on here anymore.

[Penis シ]

Well it looks like the balls in my court, and it's time to give you the shaft.

Okay, no more dicking around.

Not really, you're the sheepskin condom of this community. You're like herpes, every time we treat you, you come back. You're an ingrown hair that we keep trying to pluck, but you keep coming back redder and pussier than ever. You were a premature shot before the facial. You're an embarrassing chode. You deserve a mushroom stamp of disapproval.

Last but not least, you need to be circumcised from this community with a rusty can lid and a shady doctor with shaky hands.

[maynard]

slipstream has been forum banned.:wtg:

[Link]

Whatever you do, don't delete this thread! Rofl

Slipstream said some priceless things that I want to quote for my signature after I get off work.

[kenneth918237]

strike one strike two strike three


youre out of here


finally that guy was a problem

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Go back to school o.O I think EVERY knows that the phrase standing on a corner means prostitution, and EVERY one know prostitiution is illegal. Stings are a very common way to arrest and convict them.

thank you stars. :tips hat:
i was feeling awkward for a minute there


Whatever you do, don't delete this thread! Rofl

Slipstream said some priceless things that I want to quote for my signature after I get off work.

i dont think i ever actually agreed with you before now.

[Carmichal]

This is the best thing I have ever woke up to. I now have a smile for the rest of the day!

[devour]

if slipstream had a vagina he would be more widely accepted, regardless of immaturity or attention seeking

there are enough examples within this community

[StarsMine]

if slipstream had a vagina he would be more widely accepted, regardless of immaturity or attention seeking

there are enough examples within this community
Who? I dont treat toasties any differently then I treat blade or someone else. I dont treat loka differently. The only people who treat them differently are the 15 year olds who think they have a chance.

[Link]

Yes! I got me some priceless quotes! :D

[brett friggin favre]

vaginas do not factor into my treatment of individuals. i have access to one, and one is all i need.

gender DOES factor into my treatment of people in that i understand that women do PMS, so if i see certain symptoms, i will tone down any commentary to be sensitive to that fact, for everyone's benefit.

slipstream, however, acts like he's constantly PMS-ing and therefore can only be classified as a little bitch and i will not tone down anything for little bitches.

[Disflux]

Greatest. Thread. Ever.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

I hope you all feel better about yourselves.

[CYBER]

nooooooooooooo the GREATEST THREAD EVER was the Lees Grosman Thread trying to fuck with our beloved clan member VladNinja :D

Read more about it here... Real the WHOLE thing, trust me.. ;)
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/5547-Les-Grossman-BANT?highlight=vlad

[BladeTwinSwords]

I have to agree with Cyber. Les Grossman was HILARIOUS.

[Bane of Soldiers]

Best thing to read after getting home :lmao:

[Disflux]

I hope you all feel better about yourselves.

We do. Thank you for your concern Mr. Fluffy.

[CrazyHorse]

As funny as all this might seem. I, a former lurker thinks this all could have been resolved had anyone any knowledge of server commands.

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Pure_Servers

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

There are a lot of people here who would break down if they couldn't use their custom models and their blue and red skins.

[StarsMine]

Yea We dont need to force no skins. Many people here like to skin there gun and such, but the skins slip used was just flat out cheating.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

As funny as all this might seem. I, a former lurker thinks this all could have been resolved had anyone any knowledge of server commands.

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Pure_Servers

we have full and total knowlege of pure settings. however, some people like using skins for their weapons and such.

[Osage]

we have full and total knowlege of pure settings. however, some people like using skins for their weapons and such. which is a retarded thing to allow. play the game. a famas is a famas and a deagle is a deagle. don't like it? then you should have to go fuck yourself

[CYBER]

how is this anywhere related to the thread title? ...
-.-

[Blackmage]

Cyber: Because the topic of the thread is resolved and people don't want to make new threads? I dunno.

Osage: It's the same reason people play a variety of maps and mods. After so long, you want some variety. Why is it allowed? My belief is, we hope most of our players are trustworthy, and many skins are not harmful.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

You can't really lump maps and mods into the same category as skins and models. Everyone plays by the same circumstances in the same mods and on the same maps. Modifying skins and weapons, particularly player skins, changes the game, and changes the circumstances. More than a few people on IBIS have played with red/blue skins, and too many members of the community have displayed interpretations of fairness disqualifying them from any notion of trustworthiness.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

You can't really lump maps and mods into the same category as skins and models. Everyone plays by the same circumstances in the same mods and on the same maps. Modifying skins and weapons, particularly player skins, changes the game, and changes the circumstances. More than a few people on IBIS have played with red/blue skins, and too many members of the community have displayed interpretations of fairness disqualifying them from any notion of trustworthiness.

however, there are also the vast majority of players whose skins give absolutely no advantage.

[CrazyHorse]

With no way to tell who is using what skins, the only solution is to not allow custom skins. No one knows how many people are using skins that give an advantage, but you can safely say that there are people that are using skins like that. So the rule about skins makes no sense to begin with since the server can be set to not allow custom anything client side. If you want to play you use what the server gives you. -returns to lurking forever-

[Disflux]

If you want to play you use what the server gives you.

Yes, but, within the rules of the server. The server gives you rules, if you go against those rules, then you are permitting yourself to receive the qualified disciplinary action against you. Slip used skins that many community members (clan, admins, and others alike) felt were giving him an advantage in the game, thus going against the server rules, resulting in the ban against him.

His continuous forum actions that were blatant disrespect against clan and admins alike are what lead to the creation of this thread along with banning him from the forums, which was completely within reason based upon his prior action.

And Yes Fluffy, there are others in the community that use skins, most of which are not determined to give the player any advantage, and yes there are also those who are under suspicion of using outside skins to give them an advantage. It's very strange when somebody has a really off day and tacks it on being on a different computer, and by off day, I mean a complete and utter 90 degree change in performance.

In any case, this thread has become completely sidetracked, and since this discussion has already been resolved, would it be possible for a moderator to close this thread?

Thanks.

[maynard]

With no way to tell who is using what skins-

true... but most people aren't as stupid as slip was and come here and are like "HEY PPL! USE MY ANTI TK SKINS! THEY ARE GREAT!" and then later on try and claim they don't give any form of advantage lol.... what a fail that p o s was lol.

[Blackmage]

Fluffy:

I'm not lumping them into the same place, I'm making a comparison. Second, in my opinion, your "too many" should not remove our trust of the masses. But you know what they say about opinions.

Back on the comparison, just the idea of etiquette, play styles, map knowledge and skill levels mean you're only playing the same game superficially. Connection and Lag. Understanding of the nuances and mechanics. We're playing in the same room, with the same rules, but it's not the same game.

If you believe you shouldn't slay on nade round and I believe people should be careful and that we can use what the game has given us, we're already playing a different game. If you know where maps are broken, or abusable, and feel you can use them, and I don't know or don't want to use them, we're playing under different circumstances. Everyone has the same opportunity to get skins to look smoother or better coloured. We don't have to use them for any advantage, we can use them for variety instead.

Crazy:

The other solution is to tell people not to use them, and if they get caught, deal with it. This is what we do with hacks, and it mostly works. We can tell sometimes what they have, and we deal with it then. "It doesn't make sense" to punish the masses for the minority, unless we want to change many rules and responses. You want to play, we trust you won't be a cheater, and will deal with you if you do. Honor system, yo, it works enough to make it feasible.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

Fluffy:

I'm not lumping them into the same place, I'm making a comparison. Second, in my opinion, your "too many" should not remove our trust of the masses. But you know what they say about opinions.

Back on the comparison, just the idea of etiquette, play styles, map knowledge and skill levels mean you're only playing the same game superficially. Connection and Lag. Understanding of the nuances and mechanics. We're playing in the same room, with the same rules, but it's not the same game.

If you believe you shouldn't slay on nade round and I believe people should be careful and that we can use what the game has given us, we're already playing a different game. If you know where maps are broken, or abusable, and feel you can use them, and I don't know or don't want to use them, we're playing under different circumstances. Everyone has the same opportunity to get skins to look smoother or better coloured. We don't have to use them for any advantage, we can use them for variety instead.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. You absolutely are lumping these concepts into the same category by justifying them through supposed commonalities, and the commonalities that you describe just do not follow. All of the disparities that you mention regarding ability, knowledge and latency are inherent to the game, and the platform on which it is played. Being a capable player does not mean that you're playing a game different from the one that less capable players are playing. That's an absurd notion. The differences between playing a game by its rules, and changing a game to suit your tastes at the expense of other players should be patently obvious.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. You absolutely are lumping these concepts into the same category by justifying them through supposed commonalities, and the commonalities that you describe just do not follow. All of the disparities that you mention regarding ability, knowledge and latency are inherent to the game, and the platform on which it is played. Being a capable player does not mean that you're playing a game different from the one that less capable players are playing. That's an absurd notion. The differences between playing a game by its rules, and changing a game to suit your tastes at the expense of other players should be patently obvious.

how does me making my p90 look like a tommy gun, or my p228 look like an M1911, or my m4 look like a xM8 come at the expense of other players?

get the fuck off of your high horse fruffles.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

how does me making my p90 look like a tommy gun, or my p228 look like an M1911, or my m4 look like a xM8 come at the expense of other players?

get the fuck off of your high horse fruffles.

Quiet down, Acolyte. Read the previous posts if you want to understand where it is problematic to allow custom content.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Quiet down, Acolyte. Read the previous posts if you want to understand where it is problematic to allow custom content.

nope! nothing there. custom content doesn't ruin anything. sure, sometimes there will be problems, but you know what? people use hacks all the time, use little exploits, and glitches, or scripts that give them an edge. these are problems with the game. thus, we should just completely stop playing at all by your logic. the vast majority of people that use skins just use them to make the game more fun.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

That's fairly non sequitur, Acolyte.

[Blackmage]

The problem you seem to be having, Fluffy, is the "at the expense of other players". How does, to quote Aco, having a tommy gun, change the game for anyone else? It's within the rules of the game, doesn't change any gameplay, just is a personal choice. I can get used to the looks of a tommy gun just as easily as a p90. The sounds as well. The ability to change skins is inherent to the game too. Where is it any different from spending time to learn maps, or just get better at the game? We can all do it.

If you've never watched two people who are playing at the same table on the same board but two different games, I suggest you go watch professionals playing against casual gamers in one of a variety of games. They often abide by two different rulesets, which means they ARE playing different games. The one who plays by the rules "only use the map as the creator intended" vs the "abuse everything within the confines of the rules" ARE playing two different games.

[devour]

setting the server config to not allow custom skins client-side would not cause any major rule changes. it would just make the rule about custom skins superfluous.

when it comes down to it, custom skins are the easiest form of cheating to hide. it is nearly impossible to catch someone using custom skins, unless they give away that information themselves. theyre in the same category as any other form of coded cheat.

would it be game-breaking for some? possibly. would they stop playing on ibis servers? no.

[Blackmage]

I also just realized, while I'm writing how they compare, I got sidetracked. What I was comparing was that they are both used to add some variety to the game. While they are very similar, as I've been saying, my initial point was THAT. We can argue until we're both blue in the face about whether or not they are similar or dissimilar, but the REASONING for using/playing is the variety.

Devour:

I'd vote walls are probably about as easy to abuse, and probably more useful. Both of them, you just have to make sure not to look at things you shouldn't normally be seeing. It's the easier to deal with, though.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

The problem you seem to be having, Fluffy, is the "at the expense of other players". How does, to quote Aco, having a tommy gun, change the game for anyone else? It's within the rules of the game, doesn't change any gameplay, just is a personal choice. I can get used to the looks of a tommy gun just as easily as a p90. The sounds as well. The ability to change skins is inherent to the game too. Where is it any different from spending time to learn maps, or just get better at the game? We can all do it.

When you play a game, you do things based on how it will appear to the people you play against. You occupy a dark space because you know that you'll appear in a way that makes it difficult for the opposition to see you. You choose a certain uniform because it fits the surroundings. You choose whether or not to take a shot from distance with a quiet weapon based on how easily the person will be able to figure out where you're shooting from. These are the things that make the game more than just W and mouse1. You need to be able to how you appear in the game world. That flies out the window if your scout sounds like a high powered rifle, if your dark uniform is actually bright pink, or, less egregious but equally revealing, some kind of "cool" street camouflage.

Some skins are more beneficial than others, some models and sounds give you more of an advantage than others. None of them are part of the game, but rather alterations to the game, and as far as I can tell, every other modification to the game that may confer an unfair advantage is considered cheating, and a bannable offense. This simply would not be a problem to anyone if people played the game as it is, and I don't believe that anyone's desire to have a Tommy gun in place of the P90 supersedes the importance of preventing people from abusing the opportunity to gain an unfair advantage by modifying game files.


If you've never watched two people who are playing at the same table on the same board but two different games, I suggest you go watch professionals playing against casual gamers in one of a variety of games. They often abide by two different rulesets, which means they ARE playing different games. The one who plays by the rules "only use the map as the creator intended" vs the "abuse everything within the confines of the rules" ARE playing two different games.

This is silly, Blackmage. They are not playing different games. One is merely playing the game better than the other. This philosophical "you're better so you're playing a different game" argument doesn't really have a place in a debate of whether or not to allow people to, not philosophically, but literally play the same game with different content.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

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you do realize that changing the sound on things doesn't actually do much, right?

i mean, the sound of a high powered rifle for a scout will sound just as loud from across the map as the default scout sound. unless you ranp the sound up to incredibly high amplitudes, then it all scales identically.

and, that you don't have to use skins if you don't want to.

you seem to just be getting pissy because some people like making their game look nicer, and you don't. but instead of just manning up, you're deciding to throw a tantrum and try to make other people change. why don't you just get over yourself?


alternatively, if you don't want people to use skins, find yourself a pure server and get the fuck out.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

Calm down, Acolyte.

[StarsMine]

I find fluffy has some very damn valid points
If I pick a uniform to be able to be less visible on a certain map, someone turning me bright pink is compleatly unfair.
If I silence an M4 to be able to sneak around easier and someone ups the amplitude of the sound the gun makes, that's absolute bullshit. Its one thing to abuse mechanics, its another to change them.
Now I relize most people who use skins dont do these things, but there are those who do and they are most likely way harder to catch then wallers ever will be.

[SCRIBBLE]

Wow two opinions and one stoops to the level of personal insult, it's funny how that happens Acolyte.

Fluffy has a decent argument. I have always thought of the rule being in place so that we can punish people if need be. Punishment may not always be necessary but a red/blue or bright pink skin would be blatant infraction. Customizing the game has always been part of CS and that's why pure servers exist so you can play with no advantage or handicap.

Fluffy has obviously realized this and still continues to play in IBIS servers.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

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Fluffy has obviously realized this and still continues to play in IBIS servers.

and complain. just like kavinsky. though unlike kav, fruffles is very good at cs. obviously what he sees as a rampant skinning problem is not really hurting him. someone like me, however, who blows ass, should (in theory) be blaming skinning for my shitty play. however, i'm not. if you want to get right down to it, i think some of my skins hurt me, since a few of them are much softer (not quieter, but just less of a distinct CRACK or BANG) and can be more difficult to pick up on in-game.

i'm sorry if i sounded a bit...ah fuck it. i can't lie like that.

[SCRIBBLE]

I have only seen what may be construed as complaints in this thread which ended up being a discussion about slipstream's skins.

If he was actually complaining about the status of IBIS servers regarding custom skins, would this not be the appropriate place to do so? I'd like to think that if I had a problem and I rationally presented my argument it would be at least respectfully put down.

There must be something I'm missing based off your demasculinization ("manning up") of Fluffy and your frustration with what he is saying. Either that or you reading too deeply into what he has been saying.

:chillpill:

[Blackmage]

It's kind of funny how you call my argument philosophy based, and therefore invalid, and then go on and use your own philosophies for why you are right.

Philosophy #1: "you do things based on how it will appear to the people you play against."

Yes, people will play to get an advantage. Some will go different lengths. They may do what your philosophy says is fine, or they can try something else, be it optimizing game settings, computer settings, skins, hacks, abusing glitches, ect.

Philosophy #1b: "These are the things that make the game more than just W and mouse1."

So are: Skins, Mods, Maps, hacks, map knowledge, ect.

Philosophy #2: "You need to be able to how you appear in the game world."

You won't always know this anyway. Welcome to: lag, buggy graphics cards, glitches, settings changes, colour blind people, monitors. If you're at the level where you NEED this, you shouldn't be pubbing or playing casual servers. It's part of why there ARE pure servers. Since this is NOT a pure server, you NEED to realize, you WON'T know how you show up on other's screen. Heck, you won't know if they have tracers or not when you shoot.

Philosophy #3:
Some skins are more beneficial than others, some models and sounds give you more of an advantage than others. None of them are part of the game, but rather alterations to the game, and as far as I can tell, every other modification to the game that may confer an unfair advantage is considered cheating, and a bannable offense. This simply would not be a problem to anyone if people played the game as it is, and I don't believe that anyone's desire to have a Tommy gun in place of the P90 supersedes the importance of preventing people from abusing the opportunity to gain an unfair advantage by modifying game files.

The most simple thing that proves that wrong: rebinding ANY keys. We can all do it, it changes the gameplay for us, and is NOT bannable. In some cases, we can't tell if they are scripting to do things, or just good. We can allow people to modify things, and trust that they aren't abusing anything.

Philosophy #4: "One is merely playing the game better than the other."

Better than the other? Righto, silly AND subjective. As for my philosophy, most people would require all players to be playing by the same ruleset for it to be the same game. Even if they are not enforced, people will give themselves rules, which change the gameplay, which changes the game itself for that player. Ergo, different game.

Now to use (I lost) The Game for an example. It has 3 rules. Yet many people play it with additional rules, or change the rules. Some people believe they've won the game. Some people will define the time you have between losses different. There are many possible variations, yet are they playing the same game? Yes and no. The general idea is the same, the board is the same, we're all playing it at the same time, but it is NOT the same game. Same idea for backyard sports, especially if rules are not made clear beforehand.

Finally, if my philosophy on gameplay is extraneous, why are yours any better?

General Comment:

Funny to realize that if Fluffy didn't have a problem with a comparison, this part of the conversation probably wouldn't have started.

[StarsMine]

and complain. just like kavinsky. though unlike kav, fruffles is very good at cs. obviously what he sees as a rampant skinning problem is not really hurting him. someone like me, however, who blows ass, should (in theory) be blaming skinning for my shitty play. however, i'm not. if you want to get right down to it, i think some of my skins hurt me, since a few of them are much softer (not quieter, but just less of a distinct CRACK or BANG) and can be more difficult to pick up on in-game.

i'm sorry if i sounded a bit...ah fuck it. i can't lie like that.
I dont see fluffy complaining though :/ like scribble I dont know how it could be construed as such.

[devour]

you guys turned counterforces into dungeons and dragons in a single thread.


Philosophy #1: "you do things based on how it will appear to the people you play against."

Yes, people will play to get an advantage. Some will go different lengths. They may do what your philosophy says is fine, or they can try something else, be it optimizing game settings, computer settings, skins, hacks, abusing glitches, ect.

"game sense" is not the same as "philosophy", black mage.

also:
I'd vote walls are probably about as easy to abuse, and probably more useful. Both of them, you just have to make sure not to look at things you shouldn't normally be seeing. It's the easier to deal with, though.

if you want to get into specifics, a radar hack is much more difficult to expose than a wall hack AND are more common.

this all started because of a mere suggestion, which I believe has been brought up in the past with a similar debate (butthurt fest in this case). let's all simmer down and enjoy our rocket launcher awp skins and customized sound packs, so we can hear someone when they're holding their walk key.

ps: how is editing ones config files (which are just console commands in a text file format) equivalent to customizing skins and sounds? where's the comparison? apples and oranges my friends

[maynard]

you all know our rules via skins... hence why there has been like no issue till slip came along with his bright blue and orange skins declaring they are anti TK skins......

slip is gone, the issue is resolved, you all know the rules... closed.