Mozart 11/11/11 10:40am/11:45am/12:07pm STEAM_0:0:20632756

[ShadedFlash]

Name in Game: Mozart
Steam-ID:STEAM_0:0:20632756
Where: Ibis WCS server
Link to any previous bans: unknown
Reason to perma ban: Wallhacking

Toggles, hard to catch. Had 2 admins (panda and wassabi) watching him, but no concrete evidence to hit him on. I went back through the sourcetv demos since it seemed like he toggles off whenever anyone went spec to demo him. I managed to find 3 fishy enough events that points to wallhacking in the demos attached.

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Aztec: Round 9, he shoots Fish through double doors without any visible knowledge of where he is.
Nuke: Round 1, he shoots at Shadedflash through roof with a glock (why?) then jumps in vent and shoots me from behind.
Assault_2005: Round 2, towards the end of the round, its just deathwish (flame pred) alive and mozart is in vent shooting at him on balcony as deathwish jumps off to attack ct's below. Mozart can no longer see him, but begins shooting at him through the vent with a usp (again, why?).

I know its not concrete or conclusive, but many people found his play fishy and it was extremely hard to get a demo of him WHEN PEOPLE KEEP ACCUSING HIM OF HACKING ON MIC so he turns them off (PLEASE STOP DOING THIS). I'm just hoping other people more experienced with catching hackers can decide indefinitely whether this guy is or not. Thanks.

[CrazyHorse]

The case of the QQ he killed me so he must be hacking. Fish QQ's a bit, but the other guy does every time Mozart kills him.
I only watched the aztec one, and the shot in question is actually round 10. I watched from both mozarts and fish perspectives. It was dumb luck. Fish was down to 13-14 hp. If you watch mozart starting from the beginning of the demo, he randomly shoots through the double doors a lot. The one time he gets someone with really low hp. There is no other indication of wallhacking at all and even that dumb luck shot is no indication, I did use r_drawothermodels 2. He never pre aims at anyone. He killed fish through the door by sheer luck, then backed off a bit to lol.

Solution - get some skill and learn how to catch wall hackers before accusing anyone

[CrazyHorse]

Edit wouldn't work so here is a double post for people to bitch about.

What I wanted to edit my first post and add in is this ----

People don't toggle wall hacks. There really is no point. It would be a lot easier to just not pre aim at someone. Mozart never pre aims at anyone anyway. He never watches through the walls to where people are either.

If you really want to learn to catch wall hackers, you are going to have to use wall hacks yourself. Just play against bots with server commands that let you see through walls, it works just as well as downloading some stupid hack. Learn to not look at anyone and play normally, but still know who generally is in your area from your peripheral vision. Checking corners and such will let you see different areas of the map. You will be able to snipe people from behind very easily. But none of this happens in the aztec demo. He shoots accurately and in 1-3 bullet bursts all the time and got that lucky kill and generally knows where people are from skills being used and gunfire.

[ShadedFlash]

There is still two other demos to consider, and I wasn't doing the QQing and I know alot of the stuff he did where they called hacks was legit. But regardless there was still some fishy stuff that even had an admin suspicious.. perhaps it was just dumbluck as you say. It just seems convenient a guy can go 13-0 but when an admin specs him, his kdr drops to barely over 1.0.

I do not consider myself an expert in hacking by any means, I have never used them, even for testing and refuse to download them because I do not want to take any risks in getting banned by steam. But isn't this place exactly the purpose of posting things up so that the people that KNOW how to spot hacks can really decide whether someone is hacking or not? I'll be the first one to apologize personally if he is shown to not really be hacking, but I've posted two other threads and I'm 2/2 on them hacking, so I must not be too far off.

The biggest problem we had in actually getting evidence of him hacking was all the QQ. People really need to stop calling out hacks on the mic because it makes it impossible to actually spec and demo them when they're getting a bunch of heat for hacking, they'll simply turn them off or be much more careful in using them. Not saying anything publicly and contacting an admin or recording a demo of them while they're unaware makes it the easiest way to get them being sloppy with the hack and exposing themselves. I wish more people would understand that.

[Fish]

crazywhorese, dont know if I have ever met you, but to say I "QQ" quite a bit is funny.

This dude is a fucking joke, and doing shady shit. Even today, right now. There are quite a few people calling him out. So plese, noob guy I have never met, keep your shitty opinions to yourself, and attempt to help the problem.

[Fish]

Also, considering this asshole got banned, maybe you should shut the fuck up about people QQing. Kthnx.

[alex_mamaroneck]

After spectating him for all 4 maps i can say he was walling and possible aim bot. i have the demo to prove it. i have already banned him for a month and posted a demo. however, this wcs server is really hard to tell if he was walling due to all the spells and crap. so i leave it up to the admins and clans.


Steam ID STEAM_0:0:20632756


http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0:0:20632756&Submit


DEMOS:

http://www.mediafire.com/?yv4d4w15kntaxdu

MOST OBVIOUS:
http://www.mediafire.com/?awm8vqd687kkudh

[CrazyHorse]

Fish you are now QQ'ing here.

1st demo - shows nothing of any sort resembling someone using a wall hack, fail #1
2nd demo - after he dies from someone in a particular spot, if he goes back that way, he checks those spots from then on, also a lot of the time he is sneaking in behind the ct team and killing a lot of them. no where does it look like he knows where someone is except for once, but even then when he gets the kill, in slow motion and normal speed, it looks more like a reaction shot than anything.

None of the demos so far shows any real evidence of someone using wallhacks. Actually Vu seems to be walling more than Mozart. And considering digger nick was sitting in spec basically accusing him of cheating some how, why would he continue to cheat? Sometimes people are better than you, no point in QQ'ing over it. The guy is not wall hacking, if that is wall hacking I'd love to see some of the aimbot bans.

[Dj panda]

Crazy Horse What server do you play on O.o Ive never even heard of a person Named crazyhorse O.o

[CrazyHorse]

A pm would have been better to keep things on topic, but this is my forum name, not my game name, and I play on the wcs, and no I am not Mozart. I like watching demos of the accused to pass time while I eat, since eating and playing doesn't really work well. Most people don't know how to catch wall hackers. Using r_drawothermodels, you can clearly see where everyone else is within his point of view. He never goes at people that can be seen through walls, and he never aims at people through walls, and he never looks at walls which would mean he is looking across the map for people. Out of everyone he kills, the one kill he got on that guy around the corner, closer to the end of the demo, it might seem a bit odd, but there was sound from that direction, and there is always his radar. If that person showed up on his radar for even a second, he might have noticed. It's just a bad call overall considering all the demos too, there is no evidence of wall hacking, but there is plenty of evidence of people QQ'ing when someone is doing better.

And notice though, Mozart is not all that great, it is his class skills that help him more than anything. Wall hackers with his aim (he aims pretty decently) would have a much higher score than him don't you think? And it is a lot harder on any wcs server to catch someone hacking unless it is plainly obvious.

[mozart]

Well all I have to say is when will all this most likely be over. :(

[ShadedFlash]

A pm would have been better to keep things on topic, but this is my forum name, not my game name, and I play on the wcs, and no I am not Mozart. I love when people feel they have to hide behind anonymity for some reason or another.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

I love when people feel they have to hide behind anonymity for some reason or another.

Huh. Is ShadedFish your legal name?

[Dj panda]

ShadedFlash is his ingame name, CrazyHorse ingame name isnt crazyhorse, Which is retarted since he shoulda made the account using his ingame name

[CrazyHorse]

This way, if someone doesn't like what I say on the forum, they can't bitch at me in game about it. I do the same for all games I play. Way to stay on topic though <.<

If anyone can say he is wall hacking from the demos taken, and be 100% sure about it, they shouldn't be an admin. Banning someone with such crude demos is lame and puts a bad name on ibis. There is nothing odd, he does well but not great, and there are a lot of times when he should have known someone was around a corner, but instead looked the other way completely and was killed, that's if he was wallhacking.

People do not toggle wall hacks as I have said, there is no point to it. You can't detect someone using wall hacks unless they are looking at people through walls and going right at people every single time. He does none of this. It's a bad call, and he should be unbanned if he hasn't been already. You don't have to agree or like my opinion, but I am 100% right.

[taz1stP]

gatta love how this guy and how he says he like to watch demos who people think are hacking. kinda makes him sound like a troll.

[ShadedFlash]

because hackers cant intentionally die to throw off people who think they're hacking...

[taz1stP]

we should just quit trying to argue with this guy he is obviouly this guys butt buddy and will argue even if the guy admits he hacks.

[CrazyHorse]

Well the problem is, you are arguing with me without a shred of evidence showing any wall hacking. The only thing the demos show, is someone playing normally.

I suggest if you want to see if he is hacking, go check some older sourcetv demos. If there is a way to tell who is playing on each demo before downloading it, that would save you time, otherwise you'll have to do trial and error. With all you nubs accusing him in game, you ruin any chance of catching him if he actually is. The only way to know for sure is if you find a demo with him playing and no one is openly accusing him.

[Penis シ]

k, so we're way off topic at this point, but to tell when someone played, as opposed to cataloging the demos, go to their stats page, it will tell you when they were on recently. You can then, go to the times on the demos and watch them from there.

[taz1stP]

we need an admin or clan to clean this up and people should only post if they think hes innocent or guilty

[maynard]

he was just deemed not hacking the other day in a diff thread.

closed.