America today

[Curdy]

Seems like your Country is going down the drain.

More opinions please, a debate would be cool :icon_mrgreen:

[Carmichal]

Yup it's time to move to Canada... the republicans are psychos, the democrats are pussies. Anybody not belonging to these parties are butt-fucked form the get go. There is no hope left.

[Penis シ]

I don't believe this is the case at all.

I DO believe that our country has managed to kick its own ass by sending too many kids off to college, thus reducing the supply of blue collar workers, raising wages and production costs, then causing jobs to outsource, HOWEVER, I also believe that we're in the beginning of a new industrial revolution. Much of the world, including China, Japan, and select parts of Europe are trending about American products and clothes due to the quality our products typically are envisioned to have.

Our country has made a fair share of mistakes, but we're in no way facing a collapse, nor even another war.

We ARE about to see a few of Obama's laws kick in within the next 2-3 years and by the time that happens, our economy will be almost at 100%. Most of the impact our country is about to witness is stronger regulation on safety or environment which is going to create jobs etc. It's going to be interesting to see what happens as very few of Obama's campaign promises that he kept will be or have been witnessed during this term. Oh, and as far as that goes, www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com proves the dems aren't pussies. I'm an independent but I've been prObama from the start, and we're about to witness some REAL shit, no matter whom is in office come 2013.

[Curdy]

only person that makes sense in your nominations for the republicans is Ron Paul, a great taboo apparently

[taz1stP]

first thing i want to say is you are asking for a troll to come in here and have a blast (crazyhorse) and like i have said before America is Americas problem so people from other country should stay out of our business. but America is fucked because we let people vote in dumb niggers who are foreign into office b/c they want to make history or vote for the better looking one i mean people who only vote for those reason should not be able to vote. but i mean i only see it this way b/c im not a fucking retard.

penis your funny you also have to look at how he fucked our economy over so badly i mean cmon man he put us into debt to get us out you see how that worked. i mean if you think Obama is worth a damn then you are fucking ignorant.

[Curdy]

well you say America is America problem yet you intend to bail the EU out and have military bases all over and your foreign policy is flawed and effects other nations, so the argument its your problem seems void, since its everyone's problem

[taz1stP]

well if you think about it American base's are there b/c we have so much awesomeness and we want to share but our economy is our problem and we also have the UN here so it counts as every country's base XD

[Curdy]

well your not really making much sense tbh bases are there for awesome? if anything if its utterly pointless, like rome american economy is crumbling and runaway inflation is going to effect

[Sin]

first thing i want to say is you are asking for a troll to come in here and have a blast (crazyhorse) and like i have said before America is Americas problem so people from other country should stay out of our business. but America is fucked because we let people vote in dumb niggers who are foreign into office b/c they want to make history or vote for the better looking one i mean people who only vote for those reason should not be able to vote. but i mean i only see it this way b/c im not a fucking retard.

penis your funny you also have to look at how he fucked our economy over so badly i mean cmon man he put us into debt to get us out you see how that worked. i mean if you think Obama is worth a damn then you are fucking ignorant.

I can't begin to comprehend how ignorant and naive you are, Squidward.

Go back to playing your clarinet.

[Curdy]

taz do you even watch the news? if soooo plz tell me its not fox

[acolyte_to_jippity]

taz do you even watch the news? if soooo plz tell me its not fox

honestly all news shows are crap. none of them are unbiased at all. fox claims to be conservative, but they're not. they're just retards. everything else is so far in liberal territory that it's not even funny.

[Steamer]

penis your funny you also have to look at how he fucked our economy over so badly i mean cmon man he put us into debt to get us out you see how that worked.

I don't even like Obama, but I don't like this statement even more. Are you fucking retarded? Most of the dept was already there and rising, it takes some strong moves to throw the shit in the open to actually try and get the problem fixed. I will agree he contributed a great portion to the dept, but was far from causing it himself. I don't like him or his policy's, do not want to see him re-elected, but I can say he didn't screw up completely.

America has bases everywhere because we have always had a controlling paranoid greedy government more bent on domination than our own people.

I will agree with Curdy, that we are infact headed in almost the same direction Rome took, look what happened.

Again, the hat looks better every passing month.

[ZERO]

When you look at the history of the greatest civilizations you see a trend toward ever growing government, ever expanding debt, until the government ultimately controls all business and all activities. In the case of ancient civilizations the time before collapse was offset due to smuggling abilities and ways around taxes that could be preformed by the common man. After these tax avoiding systems were patched either though better regulation or military force the civilization would then collapse under the weight of is debt and it's tattered economy.

Smaller government, limited centralized power, and having every generation pay of any debts it incurred was the formula for the success of this nation. It is the foundation of a system built from the bottom up where the power and decisions are made close to home in order to preserve freedom. The danger this nation faces is the total disregard for the authority of the Constitution. The fact that a pyramid can not stand upside down was no mystery to our founders. Just remember:

No reasonable man would argue that a pyramid is best supported when its power is derived from a wide base and then distributed upward amongst ever smaller rows. For each row places weight on the base so that if each subsequent row became too much larger than the row before it the foundation may crack. If a pyramid was to be constructed upside down the small rows of stone at the bottom could not withstand the weight of the subsequent rows without external supports strong enough to bound forever the pyramid in place. In this case is the pyramid truly supporting itself or relying on the force of chains, straps and rope to hold it together? No different is the rule of government from the rules of a pyramid. -ZERO <ibis>

[Steamer]

Awesome fucking metaphor.

[Rosie]

America is heading down, but it is not terminal. It can not be terminal, is the only reason. The economy of the United States is what holds the world together economically. If the US collapses the rest of the world would then in turn follow. At the worst comes to worst point all the US has to do is stop exporting food, at a nominal rate and charge more. We feed the world, and that is not a metaphor. We really do. This of course would be the last step taken because we care about the rest of the world. If we kept all grain and produce products at home, our food cost would decrease 3 fold. This in turn would free up more everyday dollars into industy, but at the same time it would cause a huge rift in the world economy. It would break up the UN and destroy all foreign policy. But in all honesty, with the strength of our millitary, we could say fuck off. That being said, the world will not allow the US to make it to that point. We are in a funk, we were at the end of the 20's as well. The comparison to Rome is just plain silly. Rome expanded to a point that they had different agendas going forward, we wont even make Puerto Rico a state.

And as far as the news debate, Fox is slightly right were as all others are extreme left. Having served in Iraq and Affghanistan, there is nothing better than going on a mission and then watching CNN report about the same mission. I saw a report how my unit came under heavy fire and took casualties. We had 2 guys shoot there AK in the air, and our medic broke his jumping off the truck. You will not find accurate news, unless you happen to be there when it happens.

[Curdy]

exactly Rosie this is why the situation is critical, the fiat currency is a failure and is abused, big governments hate gold standard because they cant abuse it like fiat. foreign policy and war is something that is also bleeding your country dry. But i am aware there are some concerns about Dr. Paul that seem to be distorted misinformed and untrue.

mostly when it comes to foreign policy, iran and his libertarian views.

well rome is similar in that it pretty much went bankrupt and had vast armies all over the place. like todays america with bases all over the world

[Chikun]

Murrika > Yurop

[Curdy]

come again?

[ZERO]

As far as Rome goes I would suggest people check this out: http://www.amazon.com/Decline-Fall-Roman-Empire-Everymans/dp/0679423087

This Book is the most extensive account of the decline of Rome ever published. It clarifies that there was a vast number of interrelated things that resulted in the decline of the empire.

This is also why I referred to civilizations and not Rome because the situation that I described is an issue that is not unique to Rome nor to any other failed civilization. The reason people like to talk about Rome in relation to the States is that Rome like the US was a Republic. However the major flaw was that the Roman Republic had no written Constitution that it was required to follow.

However as we all know Octavius stripped the senate of all power but still kept elections to create the illusion that there was freedom. He then took the title of First Citizen instead of emperor or king ect in order to further fulfill the illusion the people were now ruled by a tyrant. When he fully took power his full name became Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus with Augustus being placed on his name by the senate itself.

The title Augustus can also tell us a lot about tyrants, the most dangerous are the ones who are also "the revered one". In the last 100 years we have had such a revered tyrant called Hitler. These are the sorts of problems that occur when peopole throw away freedom for security and knowledge for ignorant bliss, they become like sheep or cattle to be sent for slaughter.

Do you believe men are sheep and should be lead about by the powers of government? Does government exist becuase the sheep can not take care of themselves? Is man so ill fated without the power of government that he can not stand on his feet and grab a leaf from a tree when the field is baron? Or do you believe that men are like goats who require no Shepherd to find their food? Do you believe that like a goat man can stand up and find leaves on a tree in a baron field? Do you believe in the power and freedom of the individual man or in the mindless mod run by the chosen few? These questions hark at the very religious and psychosocial concepts that define man and his existence. Was man created to be like a stone where each person has their individual shape and size, where each has his place on a wall where the stones link perfectly together? Or is man like a brick each made to fit predefined criteria so that they may perfectly interlock in such a way that every brick is the same and there is no way to distinguish one form the other?

I say we already have the answer from God thousands of years ago in the story of what occurred when Nimrod, a hunter of man, tired to mold stone to brick and construct a tower no flood could stop, a tower too large to fail. I also say that the only way to avoid destruction is to stop listing to all these nimrods and be like of the twelve who openly refused to make bricks.

[Carmichal]

Honestly it's a mix of sheep and goats... some people are too stupid, ignorant, arrogant or other reasons, in which should not under any circumstance lead themselves, or others. You probably know a few people in power who really shouldn't, like an ass hole manger, or someone incapable of leading themselves, like a crack whore. Goats as you mention them ZERO are true born leaders. Generally, in my opinion, goats rise to the top naturally. Leaders tend to be more aggressive, charismatic, and intelligent.

Right now I think our government is goats in sheep's clothing. If they weren't leaders they never would of got there, it takes a lot to campaign, but now that they are there they become pussies, idiots, or both.

(this tangent brought to you by Michelle, enjoy)

[Meltdown]

The American dream has been dreamt or so they say, I think that America biggest problem is there Senate, Where 2 parties have too much power so much that whenever one of them throws out any idea the other party try's to block it before someone can blink an eye. America used to be the country where people could start all over chasing there dreams. Now i see country totally stuffed and totally ignored with the problems they have to deal with, they only run away from there problems, America so against porn and everything that shows a little bit towards it but yet it still got the biggest porn industrial of the word, somehow disturbing that a country try to tell other countries what to do while it cannot even accept itself as it is with the people in it.

I do say chop the country in little countries give them all own government I just fail to understand why people living in LA have to be fed up with stuff and laws made by people 1000 miles away in NY, There just no feeling with the area's people live in and there circumstances. But it is the same with Russia too, too big if you ask me.

America have so much struggle they need to solve but as long as you have those republics and democrats as only real parties with power I think America is not going to get far and in 20 years form now will be now where close as being number one nation of the world any more which will be China and even Russia will probably getting ahead of them.

[Carmichal]

The American dream has been dreamt or so they say, I think that America biggest problem is there Senate, Where 2 parties have too much power so much that whenever one of them throws out any idea the other party try's to block it before someone can blink an eye. America used to be the country where people could start all over chasing there dreams. Now i see country totally stuffed and totally ignored with the problems they have to deal with, they only run away from there problems, America so against porn and everything that shows a little bit towards it but yet it still got the biggest porn industrial of the word, somehow disturbing that a country try to tell other countries what to do while it cannot even accept itself as it is with the people in it.

I do say chop the country in little countries give them all own government I just fail to understand why people living in LA have to be fed up with stuff and laws made by people 1000 miles away in NY, There just no feeling with the area's people live in and there circumstances. But it is the same with Russia too, too big if you ask me.

America have so much struggle they need to solve but as long as you have those republics and democrats as only real parties with power I think America is not going to get far and in 20 years form now will be now where close as being number one nation of the world any more which will be China and even Russia will probably getting ahead of them.

NY isn't the capital of america Washington DC is? Unless you mean laws in other states affect a state which it doesn't. By the way we have a federal government so the states have more power than the national gov. Each state makes laws that apply to them.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Low balling America is cool when we deserve it for deeds we have done in present day. Most of the horrendous things that are going on in America are Americas problem alone. Support and help from exterior sources are always welcome. At the end of the day, media ruins more then just the peoples mind. It twists and skews pre conceived ideas of the people, into believing some right wing or left wing ideal that they do not fully understand. "this cake looks so delicious, it taste fantastic, but i am completely unaware that it was made from goat milk and man sperm." Point being that people are so busy in this day in age, trying to make a living that they will believe even just a head line of a radical news source like fox or huffing-ton post and base there votes off that, on the people we trust to make valuable decisions while in office. America can be fixed but at a large cost to luxurious living and relaxation. Hard work and sacrifice get a very long way, no dream can become a reality with out these.

[Meltdown]

NY isn't the capital of america Washington DC is? Unless you mean laws in other states affect a state which it doesn't. By the way we have a federal government so the states have more power than the national gov. Each state makes laws that apply to them.
Yes I know DC is, but for me it was more of pointing out that people who live on the east coast has little in common with those who live on the west coast. Howe can you make everything so that it fits for millions in people all across the USA. Maybe in the old days it was all right but these days ask for more significant changes and the government of the USA seems very incapable of doing so. Why else goes everything wrong what can go wrong. There is just no feeling whatsoever with there own folk.

I don't like the idea of USA going backwards at all I rather see a strong and united USA then China or Russia on top telling everyone what to do, but the USA is just to stubborn to look at the problems that are on the table, no rather they just keep going to war and spending billions of money out on operations with succeed changes less then 5% instead of spending it on there own folk and keep there country healthy. And the worst thing is because of that other nations have to step in too. I would be glad if there would be some wise young people step up and take the lead then rather these old fashion senator who just keep looking away and rather give a damm about there own pocket money.

[Spasm]

Yes I know DC is, but for me it was more of pointing out that people who live on the east coast has little in common with those who live on the west coast. Howe can you make everything so that it fits for millions in people all across the USA. Maybe in the old days it was all right but these days ask for more significant changes and the government of the USA seems very incapable of doing so. Why else goes everything wrong what can go wrong. There is just no feeling whatsoever with there own folk.

I don't like the idea of USA going backwards at all I rather see a strong and united USA then China or Russia on top telling everyone what to do, but the USA is just to stubborn to look at the problems that are on the table, no rather they just keep going to war and spending billions of money out on operations with succeed changes less then 5% instead of spending it on there own folk and keep there country healthy. And the worst thing is because of that other nations have to step in too. I would be glad if there would be some wise young people step up and take the lead then rather these old fashion senator who just keep looking away and rather give a damm about there own pocket money.

In the beginning, states had all the power and the feds hardly had any. Over the course of the years the vision the founding fathers gave this country has been reversed. Even the checks and balances to stop what has become of this government are being walked all over (constitution).

[ZERO]

That is why what America truly wants and needs is not more change but a restoration. We need to restore the Constitution and the values that have made our great nation. We need to return to not being the worlds military leader (police) but the worlds leader in values and integrity.

If the definition of a leader is being the person people want to follow then the definition of a leading nation should be a country that other nations want to emulate. If we are copying other countries and they are trying to do anything other than what we are doing we fucked up somewhere.

A nation that throws away its values when ever convenient has none and it is this reason that the US is constantly made a fool on the worlds stage. Restore honor in the Constitution and restore leadership based on values and principles and we shall restore the nation.

[taz1stP]

my big thing is how the constitution says that if the people arnt happy they can over throw the government but yet if you would try to do that you would go to jail for conspiracy against the government.

[ZERO]

my big thing is how the constitution says that if the people arnt happy they can over throw the government but yet if you would try to do that you would go to jail for conspiracy against the government.

Where does it say that: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

[Curdy]

taz i think that is due to years of media propaganda from news corporation, constantly hammering in the same message that its anti American to oppose government. For me in the past American politics during presidential elections is one of the longest running comedy shows in history. But this election is different somehow. America became great because of a very strong economy not by military might.

[Chikun]

"this cake looks so delicious, it taste fantastic, but i am completely unaware that it was made from goat milk and man sperm."

They must have been reading this lovely cookbook.

4715

[taz1stP]

need to quit getting liquored up before i get on here XD i mean makes it really hard to think right.

[anex]

taz i think that is due to years of media propaganda from news corporation, constantly hammering in the same message that its anti American to oppose government. For me in the past American politics during presidential elections is one of the longest running comedy shows in history. But this election is different somehow. America became great because of a very strong economy not by military might.

It's different because all the people trying to get nominated by the Republican party are retarded... and everyone knows it. (Except for Paul) The Republicans have a flavor of the week. They couldn't pick someone to represent them if their lives dependend on it. Cain was up, then Cain was down, Perry was up, then Perry was down, Gingrich was up, and now Gingrich is down. Bachmann, Santorum, and Huntsman will never be taken seriously. (Esp Bachmann) It's different because the only person who is close enough to be considered a real Republican, is Paul... but they dismiss him crazy which I find quite ironic. However it is not just you that enjoys our elections as the longest running comedy show in history... I've seen plenty of other people in different countries that think the same.


taz i think that is due to years of media propaganda from news corporation, constantly hammering in the same message that its anti American to oppose government.

I wish Bill Hicks was still alive :(

[Steamer]

Where does it say that: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

He is thinking of the first ammendment in the Bill of Rights, "and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.".

That's far from what it means Taz. You as a citizen with the collective of others have a right to petition the government, and they are obligated to explain and address the problem and not ignore them, should they do it, you have the right to retain all money's you pay to the government (taxes, loans, ect). Good luck with that.

[ZERO]

I figured he was confusing some quotes from the founding fathers talking about how there should be a revolution every 10 years or so and a new constitution. This was when they were floating ideas around and obviously was never seriously supported and was retracted.

[Curdy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU&ob=av3e

this is really fucked up...