soooo...megaupload

[acolyte_to_jippity]

megaupload got taken down by the feds just now. it's not just a domain siezure either, as i can't get to it via IP either.

7 employees have been arrested. megavideo is also down

[taz1stP]

I don't think it was the feds b/c last site the feds had taken down they put there seal on the main page and locked it up and i don't see that on there it just wont load for me.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I don't think it was the feds b/c last site the feds had taken down they put there seal on the main page and locked it up and i don't see that on there it just wont load for me.

no, apparently the doj have made a press release

[Meltdown]

Bleh so the USA has to take down the site for the whole world because. What is next Media fire? or all the torrent sites. can't they just block it for the usa and leave the rest of us alone.

[Rosie]

That really sucks, but if you change your name to Kim Dotcom, I have no sympaty for you. Funny that they waited until after the blackout to serve a 2 week old warrant.

[CYBER]

i agree with meltdown...

With all due respect, but your precious USA government is fucking the world up.
First the SOPA, then PIPA, and now they are closing down WORLDWIDE sites, located OUTSIDE of USA, and arresting the owners OUTSIDE OF THE USA, only because, IN THE USA, they claim that they support copy right infrigement...

Why enforce the USA rules on the entire world? for example where i come from, there are no rules against pirated shit. and yet there, now, they cant get anything from megavideo... If USA wants to be gay about , keep it in the goddamn fucking closet...

I tell them to GO FUCK THEMSELVES...

Instead of working on aiding the poor, or curing diseases or fund for medecine or research that could help the world when we're out of gaz or facing global warming, instead, they use their fucking resources to prevent a 10 year old kid from watching cartoon without buying it from the shops...

I am not american, and to be honest, i consider it a disgrace to be called that if the people are letting the government pass such rulings and acts... (not meaning disrespect to any of u guys, but to those idiots that are causing this shit...) At least if i was american , i would be joining the cause to stop all this BS that they hide behind while making money, instead of just sitting there, wanking off and pretending the government ppl know whats best for "us"...

Also, if the SOPA or shit like this DOES end up passing, then I am for one NEVER buying a movie or track or anything from hollywood or RIAA anyway... and i would urge people to follow the same and therefore proving to these money hogging assholes that all they did was vain, and they only stole freedom, with no profit.

[Meltdown]

i agree with meltdown...

With all due respect, but your precious USA government is fucking the world up.
First the SOPA, then PIPA, and now they are closing down WORLDWIDE sites, located OUTSIDE of USA, and arresting the owners OUTSIDE OF THE USA, only because, IN THE USA, they claim that they support copy right infrigement...

Why enforce the USA rules on the entire world? for example where i come from, there are no rules against pirated shit. and yet there, now, they cant get anything from megavideo... If USA wants to be gay about , keep it in the goddamn fucking closet...

I tell them to GO FUCK THEMSELVES...

Instead of working on aiding the poor, or curing diseases or fund for medecine or research that could help the world when we're out of gaz or facing global warming, instead, they use their fucking resources to prevent a 10 year old kid from watching cartoon without buying it from the shops...

I am not american, and to be honest, i consider it a disgrace to be called that if the people are letting the government pass such rulings and acts... (not meaning disrespect to any of u guys, but to those idiots that are causing this shit...) At least if i was american , i would be joining the cause to stop all this BS that they hide behind while making money, instead of just sitting there, wanking off and pretending the government ppl know whats best for "us"...

Also, if the SOPA or shit like this DOES end up passing, then I am for one NEVER buying a movie or track or anything from hollywood or RIAA anyway... and i would urge people to follow the same and therefore proving to these money hogging assholes that all they did was vain, and they only stole freedom, with no profit.

Not to mention all those people with life time subs, I'm glad I never consider that but wow some people must be pissed of badly now. And the Hackers anonymous already broke down the government website.

[maynard]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369

I'm glad I live in Canada where the government doesn't shit on the people non stop. it's just sad that Americas bull shit has 2 effect us all.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Cyber, if its a disgrace to be an American citizen whom as the people made history yesterday with over 10 million signatures on peitions and over 162 million wiki visits resulting in the first succsesful protest start in American history. How disgracful are the soldiers who fight for these disgrasful citizens? Think before you type please.


I also have a question for the rest of you in regards to sopa pipa and the mega upload issue.

How do you lose somthing that you do not own, have not borrowed, and do not physically have?

[Steamer]

resulting in the first succsesful protest start in American history. Wrong.



How do you lose somthing that you do not own, have not borrowed, and do not physically have?

Tough question. Kind of like asking someone how they believe in a god they have not seen, touched, or physically heard.

Physically, in the from of atoms, the data was there and an item, so your question is void.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Wrong.




Tough question. Kind of like asking someone how they believe in a god they have not seen, touched, or physically heard.

Physically, in the from of atoms, the data was there and an item, so your question is void.

1st, why wrong?

and 2. so why is that corporations claim they have lost X amount of dollars when they never owned that money to begin with?

[Steamer]

1st, why wrong?

and 2. so why is that corporations claim they have lost X amount of dollars when they never owned that money to begin with?

1. The Boston Tea Party was a very successful protest.
2. They are false claims based on inflated projections. Their claim is invalid, they just have the right corrupt people in power to listen.

[Carmichal]

stuck in my head dammit!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et0Bssnm1mw

IM KILLING AMERICA!!!!!!!!! IM SO FUCKING PISSED IM GOING RIGHT NOW TO PISS ON THE ALAMO, AND THE TOWER OF AMERICA. I'M SAVING ALL MY PEE IN JARS THEN WHEN I GO TO DC I AM GOING TO MAKE IT RAIN YELLOW WATER ON THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!! MOUTHER FUCKING FUCKERS ASS HOLE LICKING LOOSE CUNT WHOLES. then i am moving to canada.

/end rage

[maynard]

if this protest should be labeled anything it should be the worlds laziest protest

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

if this protest should be labeled anything it should be the worlds laziest protest. Lol. There where gatherings of hundreds of people to. But it is pretty lazy in the sense that its behind a computer screen.

Steamer, as i stated before, " protest start" in one day several congressmen coverted to opposition regarding the bills. It was extremely successful in that sense. It isn't over by any means but yesterday will be a remembered day in American history and I'm proud to have been a part of it.

[B1ackOut]

Its all fun and games until one powerful country's government gets butthurt...:banghead:

[Steamer]

It still isn't the first successful "protest start" lol. We can argue about it all night, but we both know whats right.

Very successful though, lets just see were the rest heads.

[Penis シ]

Bloated figures, YES, false claims, YES, bad methods, YES.

But let's be clear. They WERE stealing intellectual property from people, regardless of where those people are from. And made MILLIONS doing it. I think they should treat the people at megaupload like they treat people when they find them peddling burned dvd's.

Now, the opinion that copying is not stealing is something I FIRMLY believe in private, however, on a large scale and at a charge, this IS stealing. You make money by having people subscribe to your website, the advertisements posted by directing LARGE amounts of people to said website and then even Google makes money off it.

Now I'm not saying that it is America's place to shut down websites that host Copyrighted material, however, these weren't Bollywood movies, they were Hollywood movies from Hollywood, USA. While one reaction is to step ahead of the game and stop the movie theater madness, and streamline their products to the masses, they don't HAVE to. It is perfectly within their legal right to go after a company EVEN IF FOREIGN if they steal American copyright property AND host themselves within the US. So, in short, YES, I think it is perfectly acceptable that they used existing laws to take down a large-scale operation that primarily housed American content with SOME of the business being hosted in America.


I also don't want to get flamed, so I'll say right off that SOPA and PIPA are terrible terrible bills, but they have the right idea. Not that they have a great method, but that they need to step in to either encourage Hollywood to start doing it right or discourage piracy on the large scale.

[maynard]

I also don't want to get flamed, so I'll say right off that SOPA and PIPA are terrible terrible bills, but they have the right idea.

epic fail. last I checked the entertainment industry is still making money as they always have... this is simply butt hurt bullshit and nothing more, and any 1 who supports SOPA, or thinks it's a good idea is a fucking Tool.

Internet piracy will NEVER stop, nor be controlled.

[Penis シ]

No, and you'll never stop all the drug dealers, and you'll never stop all murders, but at the same time, you can't just let such things go on unchecked.

To step in and say something needs to be done is perfect. I don't for a SECOND like how they want to go about it, but the most recent law we have on record for such a thing is from the late 90's when dial-up ruled the scene and floppy disks were the most prominent method of data exchange.

Like I said, they're on the right track and nobody that's at the top says different, but they've gone about doing it in a TERRIBLE way. That's what the hubbub is about.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgh0wWHxF4k

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Bloated figures, YES, false claims, YES, bad methods, YES.

But let's be clear. They WERE stealing intellectual property from people, regardless of where those people are from. And made MILLIONS doing it. I think they should treat the people at megaupload like they treat people when they find them peddling burned dvd's.

Now, the opinion that copying is not stealing is something I FIRMLY believe in private, however, on a large scale and at a charge, this IS stealing. You make money by having people subscribe to your website, the advertisements posted by directing LARGE amounts of people to said website and then even Google makes money off it.

Now I'm not saying that it is America's place to shut down websites that host Copyrighted material, however, these weren't Bollywood movies, they were Hollywood movies from Hollywood, USA. While one reaction is to step ahead of the game and stop the movie theater madness, and streamline their products to the masses, they don't HAVE to. It is perfectly within their legal right to go after a company EVEN IF FOREIGN if they steal American copyright property AND host themselves within the US. So, in short, YES, I think it is perfectly acceptable that they used existing laws to take down a large-scale operation that primarily housed American content with SOME of the business being hosted in America.


I also don't want to get flamed, so I'll say right off that SOPA and PIPA are terrible terrible bills, but they have the right idea. Not that they have a great method, but that they need to step in to either encourage Hollywood to start doing it right or discourage piracy on the large scale.

Mega upload has not stolen an ounce of intellectual property... they get paid by users to use there website to upload stolen intellectual property, there is a huge difference. Im not going to bash on you for hinting at supporting sopa and pipa, ill just explain to you in short something you clearly don't understand. Most people who pirate, pirate to try it, watch it, listen to it then go on to purchase it. the people who are hell bent on getting something for free with out any cost will be the people that find alternatives to getting it. there is no stopping it and the last thing we want as a country at this givin time to to create this type of censorship/foreign policy. Ruining businesses around the world because come CEO thinks they may have posted a link infringing on there copyright policy is a horrible thing to allow, it wont just create a dull, less creative and innovative internet.. it will create political conflict as well. There should be no exception to these bills, piracy is not that huge of a problem and the money that these Corporations say there losing, never owned the money to begin with.

[Penis シ]

I never said that megaupload pirated it themselves, I said they profited from the piracy.


The indictment alleged that megaupload.com and a shell company associated with the website, Vestor Limited, caused an estimated half-billion dollars in copyright losses and made an estimated $175 million in proceeds. The website was established in 2005 and at one point ranked as the 13th most-visited website on the Internet.

Do I think they stole 500 million in damages, no. Fact is, due to their harboring, they made 175 MILLION dollars. When a movie theater makes 175 million, they pay the movie companies that let them show the movies. When someone off the street sells you a burned dvd for 10 dollars, they don't give a CENT to the companies that funded the production and marketed said movie.

I'm ALL about content creators selling straight to consumers, example: Louis C.K.

Yet, even if they don't, they have every right to go after someone like this. And, yes, I understand that. Mikey, I swear to God, don't imply I'm stupid. I understand that a LOT of people try before they buy. And that's why movies need to be cheaper. But it's up to the company to do that or fail, not some company to reap the profits from someone else's material.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I never said that megaupload pirated it themselves, I said they profited from the piracy.



Do I think they stole 500 million in damages, no. Fact is, due to their harboring, they made 175 MILLION dollars. When a movie theater makes 175 million, they pay the movie companies that let them show the movies. When someone off the street sells you a burned dvd for 10 dollars, they don't give a CENT to the companies that funded the production and marketed said movie.

I'm ALL about content creators selling straight to consumers, example: Louis C.K.

Yet, even if they don't, they have every right to go after someone like this. And, yes, I understand that. Mikey, I swear to God, don't imply I'm stupid. I understand that a LOT of people try before they buy. And that's why movies need to be cheaper. But it's up to the company to do that or fail, not some company to reap the profits from someone else's material.

so you say that megaupload dosnt provide priated material, but in turn provides pirated material. again people like you me and everyone else, upload there content onto the site, then another person comes and DLs it. there making money off subscriptions to there site, they are not selling any pirated material. there selling faster upload speeds ect.


also, again.. there was no loss, why? because they never earned that "500" million dollars to begin with, that number and any number from 1$ and up is a projected amount they assume they would of made if pirating did not exist. Here, to shed some light.. Avatar made a box office income of $2,782,275,172.00 so its safe to say they couyld of made a BILLION MORE if it werent for pirating!!! so they argue that bills like sopa and pipa need to be passed. 2 billion dollars isnt enough for these scum bag CEO's whom are only in it for them selves? its saddning that you would defend the very same people trying to strip your rights away as we speak.

[Penis シ]

No. They don't upload the pirated material. Instead they harbor it.

If that happens on Youtube, they take the content down. Megaupload facilitated it on a large scale and made money off the process. Whether of not it was ad-based money or subscriptions to faster download speeds and unlimited content, they did NOT own the material to sell it. If you stream something from Netflix, it's because they made a deal to distribute it, and AGAIN Megaupload did no such thing. Instead they skated by thinking they were invincible because they were outside US jurisdiction. What the government did was perfectly within its rights and proper. If I sell burned DVD's and cigarettes, you can't say that since I didn't make ALL of my money from the DVDs that I wasn't worth arresting. Of course, they knew what was happening and they facilitated it. That's the bottom line.

I'd also point out that


again people like you me and everyone else, upload there content onto the site, then another person comes and DLs it.

Is a fallacy in your argument. If it was your material or my material, there is nothing wrong with it. But if it is pirated, it is NOT yours or mine. Owning a DVD does not mean you own the rights to distribute the DVD, you only have the right to unlimited personal viewing. When people upload copy written material, they are BREAKING THE LAW.

[maynard]

I guess the only difference is that drug dealers and murders actually hurt people as where internet pirates hurt NO ONE. last I checked, metallica is still beyond fucking rich, and every other new pop star is Uber rich... not 2 mention all the movies they keep making seem 2 all be turning a profit...

Internet piracy hurts no 1, comparing it 2 drug dealers and or murderers of all things is just retarded.

[Penis シ]

No maynard, people are still losing jobs over it and that's STILL a huge problem in the US. In 2010, MGM filed for bankruptcy. So did Blockbuster. There are a few other big dogs facing the gun as well. They aren't the problem, it's the little guys that are having the issues. There are SEVERAL smaller production companies and film companies that don't release block busters, but still put out work that are facing losing their jobs and while this may not be the sole issue they have, it's certainly part of the problem.

Check out that video that I added at the end of the post on the second page.

[maynard]

blockbuster went under cause no one wants 2 rent movies... or let me re-phrase, no 1 wants 2 leave their home for a movie. with shit like netflix and other various in home movie services. even if internet piracy didn't exist, block buster still would have gone under.

[Penis シ]

And that's because they were behind the times, now explain mgm.

[maynard]

Lol well why use it as an example, if you know internet piracy has fuck all 2 do with blockbuster? why even bring it up? honestly. and why did you ask me 2 watch a video that basically just explains 2 people how 2 download and watch torented videos Lol? that was completely pointless.

[Penis シ]

MGM is Metro Goldwyn Mayer. They make the James Bond movies. Also popular for The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, Clerks 2, Stargate, and Jeepers Creepers. They're making films again after a MASSIVE restructuring. In which a LOT of people lost their jobs and they're at a much slower production pace.

I'm not saying Blockbuster wouldn't have gone out of business anyway, but they DID have an online service that was cheaper than Netflix's. They WERE slow to the game, but if you're going to temporarily rent a movie or watch the same one online for free, which would you choose? You can't say that it didn't hurt THEIR business too because Netflix didn't take it ALL away.

The video, was an independent film maker that was noting how much her SMALL movie was pirated and downloaded. She has another video where she rattles off figures that are ASTOUNDING. And that's for some small movie that wasn't marketed to televisions everywhere.

[maynard]

From my experience in being a Internet pirate and most whom I've met agree that they use internet piracy 2 check a product out before purchase so they don't buy it, realize it sucks, and go well shit.. I'm stuck with it...


so your saying that there best movies (james bond series basically) are movies that were made like what 30-40 years ago? before online piracy even existed? hmmm I wonder why they really went under lol...

look at avatar, sure people downloaded it, but when they realized it was an awesome movie, they went and saw it in theaters (in many cases multiple times) and purchased it when they could.

MGM went under because the majority of there movies are shit. Granted they did have some awesome ones... the majority was shit, look through there movie list, it's not hard 2 see.

stop blaming internet piracy for shit it's not responsible for.

[Chikun]

I think the only movie worth my time is The Grey. The time before that I hate to admit but was Tron: Legacy. Before that? I don't remember, probably Star Wars which left me bitter and hateful of George Lucas.

The film industry can sit and spin. I hope the remains they found by the Hollywood sign was that of a "famous" director or a reality T.V. star. Nothing would make me happier.

[ZERO]

If someone steals money and then puts that money in a bank should the bank be shut down? If stolen money is used to pay taxes should the government be shutdown? If a stolen car is parked in a parking garage do you shut the parking gurage down?

If a posibily copyrighted pice of data might be stored on a forign website whom is not violating any of their laws but might be violating a law somewhere in the universe should it be shut down?

YES just like the bank, government and parking gurage the website is no different and should have known better than to just take and store things without knowing what exactly those things are or where they came from... well at least that is what this government believes.

[Penis シ]

Well, Zero, I do have to point out a flaw in that argument. If someone deposits stolen money in a bank, when the case is resolved, that money leaves the bank (the bank forfeits the money). As for the other two, when you pay your taxes with stolen money, you've bought a good and it's up to you to repay the money you stole. And if a car is an a garage, the garage doesn't own the car. If it does, then they absolutely go after the garage, but normally, the car would simply be removed.

When the Pirate Bay was sent a cease and desist letter, they replied that the government could go fuck themselves because they weren't hosted in the US. This was the government making an example out of someone.

At the same time, it wasn't a company that was hosted somewhere that the government shut down. Megaupload was based in china, yet they had a server in Virginia which let the US act on them as some of their content is hosted on our soil, therefore they are violating our laws in our country. That was their mistake.

[maynard]

just so we're clear, my argument was based on pirating for your own personal use, not for making money off of content you don't own, or any of that.

[brett friggin favre]

when i pirate, most of the time i don't end up buying the product even if i do like it. the way i see it, its either i get it for free or i don't get it at all (i'm a poor kid in college...way too much else going on monetarily), either way they're not making or losing money off of me. but if i'm playing, show my friends, and they want to get it too just because they saw me, i actually just made the companies more money than i would've without piracy.

[Penis シ]

I know, that's the big reason I stopped arguing. I said that I'm not against sharing on a small scale. I'm against the profit of it. Loaning a movie to a friend or copying it for them (maybe because you don't trust them to bring it back in good condition) should NOT be against the law. It currently is.

But with the amount of money these people made off the website in order to facilitate the large scale sharing, they were despicable people. As I said, copying does NOT remove the original, and is therefore not stealing. Yet, profiting from facilitating large scale copying is stealing. Not of the content, but of the revenue.

[maynard]

if you truly respect the game, movie, or music you're pirating.... you will purchase it.

[taz1stP]

well the way i see it once the movie leaves theaters it should be free game.I mean back when blockbuster sold the program to decrepit there block so you could just burn the movies so the whats the difference between that and just buying a subscription to a site that does that for you i don't see the difference .the only difference that i really see is the one who is making the money.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I know, that's the big reason I stopped arguing. I said that I'm not against sharing on a small scale. I'm against the profit of it. Loaning a movie to a friend or copying it for them (maybe because you don't trust them to bring it back in good condition) should NOT be against the law. It currently is.

But with the amount of money these people made off the website in order to facilitate the large scale sharing, they were despicable people. As I said, copying does NOT remove the original, and is therefore not stealing. Yet, profiting from facilitating large scale copying is stealing. Not of the content, but of the revenue.

Clearly you are pro SOPA/PIPA.

sometimes, the best way to fight piracy is to use media outlets like steam and netflix. Not completely abolish the internet and arrest foreign people in other country's creating world hate for our country because of our government. The fact that you are even arguing somthing that will forever exists is beyond me, your point is moot in a long and large scale.

[Sin]

Penis being Anti large scale piracy is not him being pro-SOPA/PIPA. To an extent, I can agree with him.

It's because of the threat of piracy (and other reasons, mainly profit margins) that "consolization" in the gaming industry has become so prevalent in the last year alone. Some developers going as far as to blame it directly, and use it as an excuse as to why they hate developing for PC.

I don't agree with the global shutdown of megaupload as I was a subscriber, but they had it coming. Just like SOOOO many websites/companies who have been involved in pirating, directly or indirectly, have been shut down in the past. And you know what? More will keep on popping up, and more will be shut down. Why now, all of a sudden, are people getting their nipples in a twist about something that has been going on for the past decade?

Do you guys remember supernova.org? Fuck I loved that torrent site.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Do you guys remember supernova.org? Fuck I loved that torrent site.

i was a torrentspy person myself, but yeah i remember supernova.

[Chikun]

Information wants to be free.

[ZERO]

An interesting read: https://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt

[ZeroToler4nce]

Sopa is dead!!! Anonymous!!!

[Evil]

I could just imagine if SOPA and PIPA were to be passed as a law.

Image the possibilities...

[Steamer]

Sopa is dead!!! Anonymous!!!

Suck a sick dick and step the fuck out.

Also, I agree with the points on large scale sharing for profit.

After "borrowing" the Blu-Ray of Avatar, I went and paid to see it at two different IMAX's. FUCKING AWESOME. One had feedback seats. :icon_mrgreen:

[maynard]

I think the movie industry should buck up and admit when they made a garbage movie and not look for people or groups 2 blame for their own failings.

[bloodwolfe]

the FBI is not only targeting megaupload, they now looking at other file-sharing networks like Fileserve, Mediafire, Filesonic, and other networks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/filesonic-cuts-file-sharing-after-megaupload-case/2012/01/23/gIQAvVS3KQ_story.html
http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/megaupload-effect-filesonic-drops-file-sharing-uploaded-to-drops-the-us/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399193,00.asp
http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/22/mediafire-megaupload-business-model-piracy/

[CYBER]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/428364_10150555331538360_290539813359_8747403_4821 4401_n.jpg

[Steamer]

He isn't even sentenced...

Still, the US Justice system could use a bit of overhauling. Can't wait until some younger more MATURE people replace some of these old heads.

[xT o x i c]

I heard SOPA and PIPA Are dead, Finally. I don't know why they put out these stupid bills.

R.I.P MegaUpload :(

[bloodwolfe]

the more bad news that I hear from the united states, and how politicians are retarted, idiots are everywhere, and innocent people getting beaten for a stupid reason to no reason makes me want to leave the country If I ever got the cash... America is just turning dark and there is very little to few resistance of preventing this bullshit from happening. I wish to move to freakin sweden as i heard plenty good things around there.

[๖ReS]

TL;DR

WE DO WHAT WE WANT BECAUSE PIRATES ARE FREE !

YOU ARE A PIRATE !

We're not going anywhere, and I don't think the internet will either.

[Rellikdloc]

I'm not saying Blockbuster wouldn't have gone out of business anyway, but they DID have an online service that was cheaper than Netflix's. They WERE slow to the game, but if you're going to temporarily rent a movie or watch the same one online for free, which would you choose? You can't say that it didn't hurt THEIR business too because Netflix didn't take it ALL away.


The other half of the reason blockbuster went out of business was b/c of RedBox, they are everywhere, whos gonna travel all the way to blockbuster to rent a $3 or $4 movie and a $10 game when they can just go to the grocery store next to thier house and rent the same movie for $1 and the same game for $2. But Blockbuster didnt completly disappear they did decide to copy Redbox and make their own box "Blockbuster Express" tho most of thier movies in there are still $3, they do have a few for $1 and $2.

[mag36]

The wait i see it is internet is an international thing.... there is no boundary lines. Im very pro less government control and believe it was unjustly shutdown, but there should be some kind and global internet regulations.

Everyone can sit here and argue what was right and wrong (black/white) but we all know there is no black and white just many shades of Grey and the internet will always be a very gray area