2013, A Space Mafia

[Nemesis]

THREE STARS:
3.Acolyte
2.Masskid
1.Cyber

THREE BUMS:
3. Mikey
2. Wolf
1. Shadow

WHY THE TOWN LOST:

1. You lynched Wolf first day. Townies are now 0-6 on random first day lynches, I'm wondering how long it will take for people to smarten up. Hallwagner was a hated townie, but unknown to everyone, including Wolf, he would slowly get better each day until he because useful for the town. It was a role that would require a player who could talk themselves out of a sticky situation, unfortunately it was randomed to Wolf, so that got thrown out the window quickly. If he survived the first day, wolf would have gotten a vest. If he survived the second day he would have gotten a vest he could have given to a friend. Third day would have allowed him an investigation. Fourth day would have given him a vigilante kill. Finally, if Wolf survived the fifth day, he would have taken Cyber's mother out for a night of Mexican food and German sex, which means he would have been immune to any and all actions taken against him. Very powerful, if he could have talked himself out of trouble.

2. Shadow was useless and unfortunately for everyone, got a very important role to the game. Jailkeeper would have roleblocked and protected a target at night. He was absent from the game and on par with Taz for intelligence.

3. Mikey as the Cop. Three of the town's top roles were held by the three bottom players. Everyone is starting to pick up on the fact that Mikey has no idea what he's doing and are starting to ignore everything he says. When he's the cop, that doesn't work out well for anyone.

4. Too many sheep. People just went along with whatever Cyber said. He confirms himself night one, and Acolyte was in the perfect spot to discredit him, as he knew he had a gun and therefore could not be a friendly neighbor. However it was just kind of accepted that, "oh well. I must be wrong." There was far too much of that this game. From now on people need to question each other more.

5. I felt Masskid was playing the role very well. He doused Cyber night one and took no action night two so he could claim he was doused. If the town haden't been utterly steamrolled Cyber was done for night three.




I would like to thank my co-mod Blade for all his help throughout this game and condradulate him on a job well done. Blade, thank you.

I would also like to thank all the players and I hope you had a fun game and will continue to play Mafia here at IBIS.

Special shout-out to Rape, who used his shiny mod-powers to clean up some filth, thanks man.

I also hope there were some people who didn't play who step up in future games. we always welcome new faces and I hope you liked what you saw. I'm always available to help new players and if anyone has questions about anything please msg me.

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i looked up every mafia role i could find. ya know, without looking on random ass forums and shit, specifically looking for a mafia role who could confirm himself to town as innocent. couldn't find anything.

that's fucking bullshit, idc where the fuck you get it from. he assumes NO FUCKING RISK (no PGO, no bomb, no chance of revealing himself to mafia since he's fucking mafia), and can CONFIRM HIMSELF INNOCENT TO ANYONE?!?!? how in the world would anyone think that is a remotely good idea in this setup? please, i wish to understand how people think on whatever planet you came from, it's fucking fascinating in the worst way possible.

Brett, we didn't confirm him of anything, the msg you were given was:

A note was found on your floor it reads:

"Whatever Cyber wants to say."

By no means are these my words. He could have said he was the Queen of England. Epic mafia is played by other people on this forum, the problem? they happened to be on the mafia side with Cyber, so they didn't call him out.

You were all too trusting of the msg, but after the game started there wasn't a whole lot I could do as I couldn't assist you or give you random hints.

[brett friggin favre]

Brett, we didn't confirm him of anything, the msg you were given was:

A note was found on your floor it reads:

"Whatever Cyber wants to say."

By no means are these my words. He could have said he was the Queen of England. Epic mafia is played by other people on this forum, the problem? they happened to be on the mafia side with Cyber, so they didn't call him out.

You were all too trusting of the msg, but after the game started there wasn't a whole lot I could do as I couldn't assist you or give you random hints.

there need to be limitations with a role like that, especially with no PGO/bomb. especially early in the game, people are looking for any info they can find. a confirmed townie is gold. like i said i looked for any role that would allow him to do that without actually being town, and turned up nothing. some crazy variation used once or twice and thrown into a setup where he has absolutely 0 risk is beyond boneheaded, idc what kind of justification you try to use. that role has no checks aside from being paranoid and not trusting any info you get from anyone, which makes the game a pointless exercise in waiting until you're slaughtered.

that role had no place in this setup, nor does it have any place in a community this inexperienced. period.

a check such as not being able to fakeclaim in the messages would've been more suitable.

[Nemesis]

there need to be limitations with a role like that, especially with no PGO/bomb. especially early in the game, people are looking for any info they can find. a confirmed townie is gold. like i said i looked for any role that would allow him to do that without actually being town, and turned up nothing. some crazy variation used once or twice and thrown into a setup where he has absolutely 0 risk is beyond boneheaded, idc what kind of justification you try to use. that role has no checks aside from being paranoid and not trusting any info you get from anyone, which makes the game a pointless exercise in waiting until you're slaughtered.

that role had no place in this setup, nor does it have any place in a community this inexperienced. period.

I understand your frustration; you were easily duped. But would you have been as trusting if there wasn't a previous game with such a role? I think not. This set up was created before that, and I said at the beginning that everyone should play this game without using what happened in others as a guide. There were also many clues and actions that would have thwarted Cyber, here they are:

1. Night one Aco finds out Cyber has a gun, instead of coming out that he's lying, he goes along with it.
2. Mikey, instead of doing something useful, goes on and on about how Blackmage is still alive...for some reason...I have no idea why...how much more clear can you get than "dead"?
3. Cyber was VERY adamant that he COULD NOT be investigated AT ALL. Was that not a huge red flag for anyone? I thought for sure he was fucked after he said that AND Aco investigated him.
4. Spy is used very often on Epic Mafia. most mafias come with one. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's some random bullshit concept.
5. You chose to trust a piece of paper you found on the floor.

[brett friggin favre]

yes, i trust a piece of paper that comes on the floor. a friendly neighbor can confirm himself to town in any way the mod sees fit. i figured that made sense. as for spy? http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor aka spy (mikeburnfire's definition is the same), has nothing to do with the role you provided. we've been using mafiascum roles for everything to this point......i see spy on there, i figure that's what a spy is, not some radically different and stupid OP role.

allow me to add, nem, that it seems to me the attitude you take to this game is "if it's technically legal, i can do it." in the first game, you asked tom for info that he shouldn't have given you. it was on him for giving it to you, but still you asked when there's no way he should ever tell you, and therefore no reason you should never ask. now you throw this role in with no checks, no risks, no balances, simply because it exists, and your excuse is that we shouldn't trust it? so we can't trust that, and if we can't trust that then we can't trust anything someone says, until after they're dead and their alignment/role is confirmed OH WAIT MAFIA HAD A JANITOR TOO. WHOOPS. so that leaves us with NO WAY TO GATHER INFO other than our own powers...and as a VT, i'm absolutely 100% worthless. actually with cyber's power, i'm a liability to town. so that makes 3 mafia, 1 arson, 3 vt all detrimental to town from the get-go, that's a majority. game fucking over right on the setup.

i will agree that town was pretty fucking dumb this game but it's also so blatantly mafia-stacked, that hardly mattered.

[Nemesis]

yes, i trust a piece of paper that comes on the floor. a friendly neighbor can confirm himself to town in any way the mod sees fit. i figured that made sense. as for spy? http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor aka spy, has nothing to do with the role you provided. we've been using mafiascum roles for everything to this point......i see spy on there, i figure that's what a spy is, not some radically different and stupid OP role.

allow me to add, nem, that it seems to me the attitude you take to this game is "if it's technically legal, i can do it." in the first game, you asked tom for info that he shouldn't have given you. it was on him for giving it to you, but still you asked when there's no way he should ever tell you, and therefore no reason you should never ask. now you throw this role in with no checks, no risks, no balances, simply because it exists, and your excuse is that we shouldn't trust it? so we can't trust that, and if we can't trust that then we can't trust anything someone says, until after they're dead and their alignment/role is confirmed OH WAIT MAFIA HAD A JANITOR TOO. WHOOPS. so that leaves us with NO WAY TO GATHER INFO other than our own powers...and as a VT, i'm absolutely 100% worthless. actually with cyber's power, i'm a liability to town. so that makes 3 mafia, 1 arson, 3 vt all detrimental to town from the get-go, that's a majority. game fucking over right on the setup.

i will agree that town was pretty fucking dumb this game but it's also so blatantly mafia-stacked, that hardly mattered.

You're right that I should have taken into consideration that google is difficult to use. You want roles only from Mafia Scum? Here ya go: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mailman took me 30 seconds to find. Does it matter that I called it a Spy instead of mailman? No, because there's no way you would know anyways.

The janitor was an x-shot. Which was used once, on another VT.

I'm sorry if the only way you feel you can play is if you have some sort of magic powers, I will take that into consideration next time.

[brett friggin favre]

You're right that I should have taken into consideration that google is difficult to use. You want roles only from Mafia Scum? Here ya go: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mailman took me 30 seconds to find. Does it matter that I called it a Spy instead of mailman? No, because there's no way you would know anyways.

The janitor was an x-shot. Which was used once, on another VT.

I'm sorry if the only way you feel you can play is if you have some sort of magic powers, I will take that into consideration next time.

The sender of the message is usually anonymous to the recipient.

so you even took that role and twisted it, making the sender not anonymous. ok cool. maybe that'd be ok for a town role but not for mafia. sorry.

and no, i don't think i need magic powers. but as i stated, if you don't want me to trust info such as that which i received, i would have to not trust ANY INFO FROM ANYONE. and being that as it is, my words and my vote being my power, they're worthless because they can never be informed.

Courier's value is even more dependent on the player's skill or the value of the information the player has at its disposal.

cyber needed no info. that role's two main hinderances were removed, and it was given to mafia. yeah that sounds legit. that is a horrible bastardization of a role if i've ever seen one.

[Nemesis]

The sender of the message is usually anonymous to the recipient.

so you even took that role and twisted it, making the sender not anonymous. ok cool. maybe that'd be ok for a town role but not for mafia. sorry.

and no, i don't think i need magic powers. but as i stated, if you don't want me to trust info such as that which i received, i would have to not trust ANY INFO FROM ANYONE. and being that as it is, my words and my vote being my power, they're worthless because they can never be informed.

Courier's value is even more dependent on the player's skill or the value of the information the player has at its disposal.

cyber needed no info. that role's two main hinderances were removed, and it was given to mafia. yeah that sounds legit. that is a horrible bastardization of a role if i've ever seen one.

I never told you who the msg was from! You assumed it was from Cyber, but technically he could have used anyone's name. Again, you assumed something and it got you bit.

Even now you're reading that utterly wrong. It says that the role is stronger if it also has investigative abilities, which Cyber did not. He had no useful information for anyone, he had no abilities to protect himself or show others that he was anything but mafia, and there were no mafia roles that could change that, no framer, no disguiser, no bus driver, nothing. If he was investigated he was guilty, no matter what. All he had were his words, which you gobbled up and never doubted for a minute. Sometimes you need to think a little bit of what's presented to you, and WHY.

There's a reason Cyber chose you Brett, you're very easy to manipulate, you live long in these games because it's nice having you around so someone can always agree with whatever you say.

[Masskid]

what surprised me the most during the game was that i claimed fire fighter and didn't get counter-clamed so the janitor on blackmage was actually very nice because the mafia could easily say he was fire fighter and already have 3 votes on me

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Also i see why Tom wants no time limit on days and nights xD if it was 24 hour time limits we would end up with more of those mikey lynches

[Wolfenstinger]

You don’t get a cool opening like everyone else. Mostly because everyone fucking hates you. You’re fat and probably black. Get cancer [COLOR="#00FF00"]Hallwagner (Town Stupid Nigger)(COLOR].

Ability: None. Unless “Fat” is an ability…and it’s not.

Win conditions: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.

1. You lynched Wolf first day. Townies are now 0-6 on random first day lynches, I'm wondering how long it will take for people to smarten up. Hallwagner was a hated townie, but unknown to everyone, including Wolf, he would slowly get better each day until he because useful for the town. It was a role that would require a player who could talk themselves out of a sticky situation, unfortunately it was randomed to Wolf, so that got thrown out the window quickly. If he survived the first day, wolf would have gotten a vest. If he survived the second day he would have gotten a vest he could have given to a friend. Third day would have allowed him an investigation. Fourth day would have given him a vigilante kill. Finally, if Wolf survived the fifth day, he would have taken Cyber's mother out for a night of Mexican food and German sex, which means he would have been immune to any and all actions taken against him. Very powerful, if he could have talked himself out of trouble.

Ok... it makes sense on why I would've been "powerful" later.... except, it was going to me. And since I knew I was vanilla townie + role play was "encouraged"; I attempted to be a "stupid nigger" ... Instead I basically went off the edge and over killed myself. Nothing was really going to bring me back and since there wasn't really any sign as to anything in my PM other than vanilla townie written ALL OVER IT, I didn't bother thinking twice. Though - I've yet to get a PM for Vanilla Townie role at all, so yeahhh..

Overall - oh well. GG. I played it stupidly, but I knew no better anyways. I don't think my shenanigans will work in future games now however, so I have to either come up with something completely new.... or... scrap the idea altogether because it's really the only way I can get myself to come back and make a semi-legit deduction that seemed reasonable and then go off that.

[Masskid]

Also, congrats scribble for living....