Awful Admins

[Mad Maxx]

I find that people are complaining a lot about admin abuse, but they are the ones breaking the rules. 9/10 admin gives ample warning about what people are doing wrong. the 1/10 are the veteran players who know the rules but are not abiding by them, testing their limits. I am a new admin but I've play on the server for years, my only concern is hashing out the "unwritten" rules and having a comprehensive list of illegal cades/actions that fall under the "grey" area. if any ULA is needing assistance with something like that please let me know as I wish to ensure player cooperation as well as enjoyment while on the servers.

Regards,

Maxx

[brett friggin favre]

I find that people are complaining a lot about admin abuse, but they are the ones breaking the rules. 9/10 admin gives ample warning about what people are doing wrong. the 1/10 are the veteran players who know the rules but are not abiding by them, testing their limits. I am a new admin but I've play on the server for years, my only concern is hashing out the "unwritten" rules and having a comprehensive list of illegal cades/actions that fall under the "grey" area. if any ULA is needing assistance with something like that please let me know as I wish to ensure player cooperation as well as enjoyment while on the servers.

Regards,

Maxx

unwritten rules should be brought to the attention of ULA/clan (if ULA, they'll simply relay to clan) within a reasonable timeframe so the rule can be discussed and either made written or shot down. another option is to post about them. unwritten rules are temporary bandages, and people like omega have been enforcing some that are certainly not rules, which is abuse. if an unwritten rule is not brought to the attention of higher-ups, it isn't a rule.

people seem to forget this.

[Meltdown]

tbh ever since thecat i havent seen one bad admin around on the z server, expect myself.

[Omegxkid]

So I have never made any unwritten rule, the only thing i have ever done that is not a 100% rule, is when people complain about the crouch areas on all of 2 maps (high_school and mini_room) as they are larger areas but still crouch spots with only one way in to them and only one zombie can fit in at a time just like a vent/tube (the reason behind the limit in tube/vents is to make it an even balance for human to zombie win/lose rate because 2 people in one vent can hold off forever nless all zombies change to deformed *note i still have to tell people every day how to change class* and getting everyone to do this so they have enouph hp to make it into one of the crouchs i have listed with 8 people in it that all know what they are doing gives zombies almost a .001% chance of winning) is if and when people start asking people to get out is come up with a limited number, and in the rules it does say limited how ever there is no number. The reason behind this is because a crouch spot is just like a cade area just without any props, and in the rules it states the first one in a cade (or crouch as they are the same thing just no prop) has the right to do what ever is needed to Live, this inclueds asking people to stop coming in as it jumps the chance of zombie spawn in there cade up, and insted of just random slays or having people bitch at me because i am not doing anything at all I just say ok here is a limit for now. In a way i can see this as a made up rule how ever as seen in Max's post there are gray areas and other then Phil we have no ULA that play Zm much so you do not see all the sides of the coin, you just see what is said and as an admin on Zm it is almost 100% imposable to make everyone happy, and if we dont do something we almost always get everyone bitch trolling each other so it was just an easy wrap on a vary big hole in the rules, other than this I have do nothing or come up with any magicl ruling or mystic you must do as i say thing ever, so I would love to know how I have all of the sudden become this rule maker guy!

I again note that I only inforce the limited crouch as it does say this on the forums under crouch areas when we get people just trolling for zombie kills to up there rank (we get this a lot in the rooms I am talking about mind you) and rank manipulation is breaking the rule and so many people get in the spots just to get them self turned (not to toss anyone under the bus but (")( ^_^ )(") is one of the people thay would do this all the time same with .,. just to rank up)and like i said its same as a cade just propless, so it was just easyer to when people are doing this, to set a limit insted of not doing anything so in a way i am just using the gray area to help make the admins job more effective under our gray areas.

unwritten rules should be brought to the attention of ULA/clan (if ULA, they'll simply relay to clan) within a reasonable timeframe so the rule can be discussed and either made written or shot down. another option is to post about them. unwritten rules are temporary bandages, and people like omega have been enforcing some that are certainly not rules, which is abuse. if an unwritten rule is not brought to the attention of higher-ups, it isn't a rule.

people seem to forget this.

[phil.™]

So I have never made any unwritten rule, the only thing i have ever done that is not a 100% rule, is when people complain about the crouch areas on all of 2 maps (high_school and mini_room) as they are larger areas but still crouch spots with only one way in to them and only one zombie can fit in at a time just like a vent/tube (the reason behind the limit in tube/vents is to make it an even balance for human to zombie win/lose rate because 2 people in one vent can hold off forever nless all zombies change to deformed *note i still have to tell people every day how to change class* and getting everyone to do this so they have enouph hp to make it into one of the crouchs i have listed with 8 people in it that all know what they are doing gives zombies almost a .001% chance of winning) is if and when people start asking people to get out is come up with a limited number, and in the rules it does say limited how ever there is no number. The reason behind this is because a crouch spot is just like a cade area just without any props, and in the rules it states the first one in a cade (or crouch as they are the same thing just no prop) has the right to do what ever is needed to Live, this inclueds asking people to stop coming in as it jumps the chance of zombie spawn in there cade up, and insted of just random slays or having people bitch at me because i am not doing anything at all I just say ok here is a limit for now. In a way i can see this as a made up rule how ever as seen in Max's post there are gray areas and other then Phil we have no ULA that play Zm much so you do not see all the sides of the coin, you just see what is said and as an admin on Zm it is almost 100% imposable to make everyone happy, and if we dont do something we almost always get everyone bitch trolling each other so it was just an easy wrap on a vary big hole in the rules, other than this I have do nothing or come up with any magicl ruling or mystic you must do as i say thing ever, so I would love to know how I have all of the sudden become this rule maker guy!

I again note that I only inforce the limited crouch as it does say this on the forums under crouch areas when we get people just trolling for zombie kills to up there rank (we get this a lot in the rooms I am talking about mind you) and rank manipulation is breaking the rule and so many people get in the spots just to get them self turned (not to toss anyone under the bus but (")( ^_^ )(") is one of the people thay would do this all the time same with .,. just to rank up)and like i said its same as a cade just propless, so it was just easyer to when people are doing this, to set a limit insted of not doing anything so in a way i am just using the gray area to help make the admins job more effective under our gray areas.

Allowed - As a human, this does not apply to zombies
Tube
Barricades
Crawl Spaces

An area when its player limit has been exceeded
-Only two people are allowed per tube
-Only two people are allowed per vent opening

Keyword in the rules is "allowed". Crawl spaces is allowed by humans. The only player limit that is restricted in vents/tubes. Crawl spaces is not included in the restricted.


Secondly, you can't force anyone to not follow you to a cade, or make someone get out of your cade.

Sabotage – Killing other players by in game map tricks, bugs, and purposeful tagging
Using map triggers to kill team mates (IE Blowing up the bridge)
On escape maps, shooting map made barricades that were designed to hold zombies (IE Doors on Mines of Moria)
Sitting in a spot to purposefully get tagged and kill the rest of your barricading group.

If they are in a cade with you and they spawn zombie, they can tag you. Fair game. Is it a cunt move? Yes, but them spawning as zombie and tagging you is not team killing, is not sabotage, and not rank manipulation. Humans who purposefully get caught (getting too close to windows, too close to doors etc) then yes. This is team killing, sabotage and could fall under rank manipulation.

[B1ackOut]

Getting purposely tagged, unless constantly done (and by then they should be banned for that) will not create that much rank manipulation so unless you constantly allow someone to break the rules, it should be the last thing you ban them for. One of the only actual cases of rank manipulation ever was Hallwagner (he went from 200-top10 in about a week) and he would spawn zombie every round on ze's and tag upwards of 5-10 humans a round, hence padding his stats. Most people only can tag 1-2 people by doing that in a zm barricade, which a good zombie will beat even if they have to break down cades.

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Phil:
Apology accepted. It takes some cojones' to apologize properly in a heated conversation like that, although you were indeed mistaken.

As far as the rest goes, I too definitely stand by what I said, so if you want to admin your servers like that, that's up to you. What servers I want to game on, that's up to me.

We'll leave it at that.


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[jwtemp]

Does that mean you're out? Because I'm hopeful that means you're out.