Maj. Rogers 05/04/2014 01:56AM STEAM_0:1:26273552

[SCRIBBLE]

If we could get someone with the appropriate forum permissions (zero, maybe a super mod- maynard) to view this "vacproof's" ip and they match then that would be sufficient.

edit: by more proof I meant more proof on IBIS servers. Yolo has "suspected him for a bit" but has no other evidence to back his claim.

[Old Bastard]

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That is the IP of the VacProof here, which is also the same here, http://www.ibisgaming.com/wcs_stats/player.php?id=9663.
Then the name ties in here, http://sb.joinsg.net/index.php?p=ban...6273552&Submit

[Yolo Swaggins]

So rounding a corner and instantly snapping to the head of someone completely invis and stationary (~15 feet in the air) is a normal thing these days? I suppose I can start pulling more demos and ticks if neccesary. It will have to wait until tomorrow though being as I work all three jobs sequentially upon waking up.

[CYBER]

relax guys... usually for a "1 tick" its not enough ,but this one is pretty obvious.
we've banned before for less than that when doing vagabond ESP baits in italy and someone rounds a corner farside and shoots in the sky...
and that's a spot ppl MIGHT be in. this spot however, no damn reason at all to focus there, and the shot itself is aim assisty... the reaction time on it frame per frame is just too fucking fast for swivel shooter...

not to mention his names brag about selling hacks lol... the fail is fail.

[Yolo Swaggins]

relax guys... usually for a "1 tick" its not enough ,but this one is pretty obvious.
we've banned before for less than that when doing vagabond ESP baits in italy and someone rounds a corner farside and shoots in the sky...
and that's a spot ppl MIGHT be in. this spot however, no damn reason at all to focus there, and the shot itself is aim assisty... the reaction time on it frame per frame is just too fucking fast for swivel shooter...

not to mention his names brag about selling hacks lol... the fail is fail.

this. I defy you to find any similar shot in any demo on a vaga who is invis in open air (read off the ground and not against a wall) and more than 5 feet away. Bonus points if you can find one where they aren't able to see any part of the initial teleport. A legit player might see the radar blip where it will tell you x and y but only an approximate z, but even then you would see them first point in the direction of the blip then scan up and down either looking for the name or with a flashlight on to see the shadow. You will notice that he exhibited no such behavior but instead simply swung over and pulled of and instant hs immediately after rounding the corner.

Also worth mentioning that how long he's played here doesn't mean much. Balto was a long time regular as was benhime... And they were watched much more closely because they were also pretty good when they didn't have their downloaded skill turned on.

[Old Bastard]

I finally got to watch the demo, on the demo player that Zero provided a link for, got myself to a few ticks before Maj. headshots Swagdolf, slowed the speed down to 12% and watched. Swagdolf was in place as vaga before Maj. rounded the corner, sure you could hear him vaga'ing but no possible way to know exactly where he is especially from that distance. the fact that his crosshairs 'FLEW' straight to Swagdolf's head and pulled the trigger for a 'ONE' shot DEAGLE KILL at that DISTANCE from around a CORNER, is none other than an aimbot.

[SCRIBBLE]

Okay, Scribble, I don't know what is wrong with your eyes dude but you may need to see a doctor.

I was referring to the second "headshot" yolo mentioned after the player was dead.

I have not voiced my decision nor have I voted and it seems most of you have come to the conclusion that I do not think he is hacking which is presumptive to say the least. Yolo said he has been watching this guy for a bit yet has no other evidence to back his claim. Cyber mentions balto's ban but evidence was collected on balto for a very long time. There were many demos and many tics to support that claim as there has been for other players of that nature.

One tic is not going to cut it and considering you all should know sourcetv has its hiccups (especially slowed down below 75%), I am disappointed that you all cannot comprehend why I am asking for more supporting evidence especially considering yolo's claim. When you have ULAs making fail bans on obviously legit players in a non modded server the judgment of players, admins, and ULAs alike will be scrutinized heavily (see: arthur http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...976-18-04-2014 and blaze http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...34683-18-04-14).

One tic permabans will not become a trend and I am not sure how telling me that I need to go see a doctor is supposed to sway my decision at all. Instead of humoring me and looking for more supporting evidence you are harking on evidence I am clearly unsatisfied with. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

[Xerenix]

After watching him play for over 80 minutes, i have to agree with insufficient evidence. In the demos i've watched, he's pretty good at playing and in the aztec demo, he got 23 headshots out of 41 kills and i saw nothing wrong with any of those. (Italy 17 hs out of 35 kills)

Here's two demos of him playing recently at a total of 81 minutes. He's at map start on both maps.

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I would have either not voted or possible even voted unban due to the lack of evidence.

[minjae]

That one kill is the only tick that shows he's aimbotting. It was very unnatural and he snapped VERY quickly.
But like others said, one tick is not enough evidence, even if it's quite obvious.

[Yolo Swaggins]

I watch many people but if I can find literally any possible explanation other than hax I pass it off as me being a whiney bitch and move on. In this particular instance there is literally no other explanation, and as such I posted it here since there were no admins on my friends list who were readily available at the time. If you can find me so much as one similar occurrence in similar conditions (read my last post) from a legit player, even one as good as hypa, wolfy, brice, pie q, lunch, spasm, etc then I will revise my opinion. Until that time I have no reason to believe this was anything other than hax. If you watch the demo, even assuming a 3 second lag from sourcetv, I find it hard to believe you will be able to come up with any logical reason why upon rounding that corner for the first time that round he would have pulled off that shot let alone known exactly or approximately where the vaga was. You will notice that his shot was very straight forwards, the crosshair moving in a completely straight line to where he made the shot without so much as a radar blip. To make a player show up on radar they either have to point their crosshair on you near enough to see the name or your crosshair has to stray over their x,y coordinates (z is irrelevant in terms of radar) or be holding an unsilenced gun in your FOV. If you watch the demo all the way through you will see that was only the second/third round with vaga at all and the first time frozen anywhere near that location. In addition to that players familiar with the map will tell you that particular location isn't a common vaga camping spot.

Even the one tick demo aside I find it especially hard to believe that he is legit given that he quickly made a few of the mistakes typical of a hacker upon the thread going up. For those of you not versed with catching hackers I will explain it thoroughly and for the rest of you I will simply tldr it.

1. within 30 minutes of the ban thread going up he quickly became active on the forums for the first time literally ever even though his join date is from 2010. Often times when caught (assuming they care) a hacker will attempt to appear to be an active member of the community so as to appear to be involved and interested in it's well being. A quick glance at his profile shows that he has followed this to a T. If you are unsure that this is accurate feel free to look at other hackers who have attempted to discredit their ban threads either here or literally anywhere else. I hate to use the same person for two examples but again balto is a shining example of this. Once you guys were on his trail he suddenly purchased admin and started integrating with the community more thoroughly.

2. When confronted cheaters often cite their play time in the server (or in the game itself if they are new to the server) as proof that they don't hack. Again he did that perfectly and again if you'd like to see this reflected elsewhere simply look at other threads either here or literally anywhere else. This behavior is not nearly as consistent with legit players accused of hacking, and to see this simply look at overturned ban threads here or wherever. This is because legit players aren't suddenly worried when there is such a thread on them because they know that careful scrutiny of the evidence alone is enough to abdicate them.

3. The name... Really.... I mean I know it's just a name and could mean anything and could have any reason behind it... but still I feel like this is something that should be pointed out despite the obviousness of it.

Those are just three of them, I'm sure I could produce far more if I wanted to spend a significant amount of my time on it, but time is something I don't have a ton of. At the very least I would suggest that he be watched closely. Having watched him a few times, here is what type he most likely uses and where they would show up:
A moderate speed aimbot with a low FOV(read how many degrees off your crosshair the bot will search for a target) setting along with a toggle or an active key that must be held down. A quick google search showed not only paid cheats but also a free longtime undetected one called [REMOVED UPON READING FORUM RULES](not technically against rules to name one but linking to a "malicious" site is against them and it would be very easy to google it when knowing the name) that would allow such settings. Assuming he's using the free one would also mean colored models of some sort as it appears to be based on solid color models. This would be visible if he has an easy time seeing invis races in darker maps but trouble with them in brighter maps as well as a severe drop in accuracy against colored races such as beast (only on ct if he uses red/blue) hells demon, shadow of the void and santa(the accuracy drop would only occur if he uses the free hack or one similar to it. I was able to find it in less than 15 seconds on google). I would expect it to be toggled on when looking down hallways or similarly enclosed areas. It appears you were watching an aztec demo and again my gaming pc is currently down until I have an hour or two for a fresh install, but I would be willing to bet that a large portion of his headshot kills were either in the water or over the bridge as that would be where it's easiest to hide. A good way to see this in action is if he has a greater accuracy when being attacked from behind while he's in those areas as opposed to an open area where he'd be more likely to toggle them off as it would be more visible.

TLDR: 1. Immediate activity throughout forums shortly after the thread with no precedented activity 2. cites play time before anything else 3. dat name
In light of just that one shot I don't believe for a second that he's completely legit as there is no logical explanation. With all of it put together I'm surprised there is still only one vote.

Play time is by no means a suitable way to determine if someone is legit as there are many ways for those who want to shell out the cash to remain undetected. There are plenty of high price cheats (and probably a few free ones), private and public that have never been detected such as [REMOVED UPON READING FORUM RULES](not technically against rules to name one but linking to a "malicious" site is against them and it would be very easy to google it when knowing the name) to give one easy example.

I understand that this is quite the wall of text with lots of information, some of it trivial. Anyone who is interested in my credentials, sources of knowledge, further information on detecting a specific cheat type or exactly what cheats I was planning on referencing feel free to pm me and I will reply at my convenience.