i feel so dirty

[loka]

As a former democrat and current independent, I was kind of liking Kennedy. I like his ideas about reducing then eliminating welfare and other such government programs. Unfortunately here in MA half the single moms make their money from that system by popping out as many kids as they can before they hit 25.

Bleh, anyhow. This election I actually didn't vote, which is a miracle for me lol. I'm sick and I got my computer parts in today so I was busy being blech and playing.



..dude you have to make like 14k a year as a single person with no kids to be eligible.

I use the subsidized Mass Health Connector program and pay about 300 a month for great insurance. It's Harvard Pilgrim, which is one of the best, and has great co-pays for everything from checkups to inpatient care.

EDIT: Oh and it comes with a basic vision plan, and my dental, while separate, costs me maybe $300 a year.

Oh people lie to get Mass Health. My dad is an accountant/CPA does taxes etc etc. Those people will lie about how much they make just to take advantage of Mass Health. It's disturbing.

Edit: I can get Mass Health right now for being "unemployed" until my military health kicks in. My friend has Mass Health because she has a baby. Like you said unwed single moms take advantage both of welfare and Mass Health.

Double Edit: I just checked... for coverage in Mass health standard you have to make a minimum of 6K a year single.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

I love my NYS Blue Cross and BLue Shield. I also have GHI Preferred PPO for Dental in which I don't pay for any surgeries or anything. I'm just limited to certain things. The few perks for working for the state.

[Mallissin]

I'm all for a majority of the reforms, since they'll most likely save me money over the long term (either in premiums or expenses). I don't like the government provided option that a lot of far left Democrats want. But I'm worried Republicans will take the small victory and over blow it, completely derailing the efforts. If that happens, it would be a great loss.

The New York Times had a good article about the history of health care reform.

http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/a...et-not-unified

It's mentioned that Ted Kennedy regretted not supporting NIXON'S (!!) attempt at health care reform because of political squabbling.

I'm hoping Brown can learn from his predecessor's mistakes and not allow his victory be used to derail helpful changes for the sake of party ego and deprive the nation of the efficiencies the bill would add.

[OMGBEARS]

The thing that some people fail to see is that a Public option would not STRIP you of your private health care. It would provide an option for you if you weren't happy with your current healthcare or couldn't afford healthcare to begin with. It would be paid for by people buying into the system primarily. It would be almost budget neutral save the government subsidies provided to people who couldn't otherwise afford the premiums (which would be marginally less due to lack of having to pay for advertising and overhead). Subsidies are provided to farmers, to the oil industry, to banks, to insurance companies, but not the american public for providing for their well being. OKAY RIGHT.

Besides, if you pay for private insurance now you're actually OVERPAYING for people who don't have insurance. Doctors have to treat people who come into the ER whether or not they have insurance (federal law). What this means for you and others is that they insert their additional costs into bills for other people. The money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from people with insurance.

Also, there are studies that support preventative care saving money in the long run. The preventative care provided by an affordible public option or by a single-payor system would actually end up saving americans money as a whole, and making the public healthier as a result.

I can't afford health care myself, I'm one of the 30 million in the same situation. I'm pretty much banking on the fact I'm 23 and have the fortitude of an ox. Do you know what would happen if I got sick at all? I would be slapped with a bill that I would be unable to pay and end up homeless. This means that besides the fact that IBIS would lose an admin (most major thing, really), I would be fucked for the rest of my life. Because I can't afford private health insurance. Bump that shit.

Also -- do you pay for police protection? Do you pay for fire protection? Not directly, but you do. These are basic things that should always be provided to you, and something that shouldn't NOT be provided if you can't afford it.

Yes. I'm liberal.