Gung game and camping...

[Solarsoul]

Not to rage on anyone but it wasnt for excessive camping i banned for 5 mins because i thought he was being a dick and ignoring me when i told him to get out of spawn. what happened was people complained that they would kill steamer and it counted as afk all the while he was still getting kills on his own he was using his mouse to look and shoot but did not move out of place. i warned 2-3 in chat as well as verbal warnings to either play or get out. i said initially it would be a 30 min ban( that was a scare tactic).OMG bears was in the server at the time and speced him for me this is how i knew he was getting kills but was standing in place each round this happened over a period of 7-8 rounds. i didnt kick because i didnt want him rejoining and pissing people off the server was full and if he was going to come right back after being kicked it wouldnt give someone else a fair chance to play. so i issued a 5 min ban. in my eyes it was perfectly legit. he was on the phone and was not playing to his fullest ability therefore taking a server slot and annoying people. he says he was on the phone thats fine , next time either move to spec or leave the server. I thought he was ignoring me as an admin since he does question admins in WCS alot. I just recommend if your not paying attention either move to spec till your able to play or leave the server until then. all the people who play with me know im not the type to take shit from anyone and i try to eliminate problems before they get any worse.

[Steamer]

Na, wasn't being a dick, just didn't see the chat and could not hear anything. I apologize if you took it as so. It shouldn't of counted as afk as my mouse was moving the entire time, weird if it did. I could care less about the ban nor am I complaining about it or disagree with it. I don't see how it was disrupting game play either unless the kills really didn't count against me. I do not question admins in WCS alot. As far as I can remember it was 1 single admin.

I can't find one rule about camping in GG on these forums.

Still, what is the answer?

Not to sound like a dick, but I would like an answer from someone that actually matters. All I can find are post from people that do saying they don't care if you camp and are just offering yourself up as a kill.

[&&toasties]

Na, wasn't being a dick, just didn't see the chat and could not hear anything. I apologize if you took it as so. It shouldn't of counted as afk as my mouse was moving the entire time, weird if it did. I could care less about the ban nor am I complaining about it or disagree with it. I don't see how it was disrupting game play either unless the kills really didn't count against me. I do not question admins in WCS alot. As far as I can remember it was 1 single admin.

I can't find one rule about camping in GG on these forums.

Still, what is the answer?

Not to sound like a dick, but I would like an answer from someone that actually matters. All I can find are post from people that do saying they don't care if you camp and are just offering yourself up as a kill.

There isn't an official rule written down about camping not being allowed, but the only reason why I enforce the rule is because Zero said it wasn't allowed in GG one day way back when.

I don't know why he never wrote it down, and if he did, I never found it.

[StarsMine]

There isn't an official rule written down about camping not being allowed, but the only reason why I enforce the rule is because Zero said it wasn't allowed in GG one day way back when.

I don't know why he never wrote it down, and if he did, I never found it.

what do you mean its not official, its rule 4.
Excessive camping means making the round take longer then it has to in GG.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

what do you mean its not official, its rule 4.
Excessive camping means making the round take longer then it has to in GG.

the thing that is in question is the "excessive" part. for me, if someone's camping more than 2 rounds in a row, i'll say something, start enforcing after that. there are a few exceptions, such as churches, but in general it all depends on the situation

[Steamer]

Rule 4 deals with teleporting...

Am I missing some other rule set?

[&&toasties]

what do you mean its not official, its rule 4.
Excessive camping means making the round take longer then it has to in GG.

Yes, EXCESSIVE.

If someone goes to the same perch round after round after round, then that's excessive camping.

But it's enforced that one can't stay in one spot for more than 10 seconds.

Otherwise it's considered camping.

Catch the drift I'm coming from?

[Link]

I think that, for the most part, it has been left to the discretion of the admin present.


Personally, if I notice someone camping, they get a warning about it. I am not a big fan of slaying people, causing them to lose levels. I prefer to slap them for 0 damage, just to get the message across. It usually takes a few rounds of consistent camp-esque behavior before I get onto them beyond a warning or single slap.

The only camping I nominally am fine with is if the person in question has a zoomed weapon...scout, awp, auto sniper.

As one of the gungame admins I have had to remind myself not to jump the gun (haha) when people linger in one spot, occasionally. I'm not perfect about it, but I think that overall, we have a good thing going, for the most part.

As far as Zero providing a hard and fast definition of camping, from his own perspective that is binding, the only one of which I am aware is the rule in server, no excessive camping.


Now, that being said, someone camping does often piss people off, and if I'm present, I just don't want to let everyone get upset because some guy's using strategy. It does depend on the situation, the map, and if they're genuinely into the game, as opposed to camping around for a simple, and sometimes unfair, advantage.


As far as what has been said about the inspiration behind this thread...I personally would err on solar's side. If the situation transpired like he said, people not getting levels because you were afk on a technicality, while still getting kills yourself...well, I believe that to be a form of cheap gameplay that I wouldn't have permitted, myself. To each their own.

One thing I particularly like about the way IBIS does things is that, for the most part, the admin's discretion is how it goes down. Yes, we have the outlined rules, for a good reason, but the admin has the final call in the moment and will live with the consequences of his judgment.

Happy New Years, all.

[CYBER]

depends on admin, map and sometimes the game play.

i used to be all about slaying ppl for camping...found out it takes u nowhere...
nowadays i would warn the person that is DELAYING THE GAME, to stop camping.
usually with warnings, oral, then chat, then slaps with 0 dmg.

i mean if someone is camping SAME spot everytime, u can just prefire on their ass knowing where they are...
but if they camp different spots for a LONG time without bothering to either seekout a kill or anything....
for example, if there are only a couple ppl playing,and rthe guy is still camping... meh i would then slap the "no excessive camping" rule into him.

i do have to say that if i see a person "excessively" camping for days and days and ignoring my requests to stop , i WILL slay/kick/5-min-ban him, not just for camping, but excessively camping AND ignoring admin.

PS: i personally think that the TOS rule about camping should be written in a more elaborate way, and the thread should be commented on with specific cases such as churches or small maps like aim-shotty , or camping towers like in pink_panther, or vent camping like in complex, or house camping in simpsons desert and the streets one maybe? etc..

[Solarsoul]

I think that, for the most part, it has been left to the discretion of the admin present.


Personally, if I notice someone camping, they get a warning about it. I am not a big fan of slaying people, causing them to lose levels. I prefer to slap them for 0 damage, just to get the message across. It usually takes a few rounds of consistent camp-esque behavior before I get onto them beyond a warning or single slap.

The only camping I nominally am fine with is if the person in question has a zoomed weapon...scout, awp, auto sniper.

As one of the gungame admins I have had to remind myself not to jump the gun (haha) when people linger in one spot, occasionally. I'm not perfect about it, but I think that overall, we have a good thing going, for the most part.

As far as Zero providing a hard and fast definition of camping, from his own perspective that is binding, the only one of which I am aware is the rule in server, no excessive camping.


Now, that being said, someone camping does often piss people off, and if I'm present, I just don't want to let everyone get upset because some guy's using strategy. It does depend on the situation, the map, and if they're genuinely into the game, as opposed to camping around for a simple, and sometimes unfair, advantage.


As far as what has been said about the inspiration behind this thread...I personally would err on solar's side. If the situation transpired like he said, people not getting levels because you were afk on a technicality, while still getting kills yourself...well, I believe that to be a form of cheap gameplay that I wouldn't have permitted, myself. To each their own.

One thing I particularly like about the way IBIS does things is that, for the most part, the admin's discretion is how it goes down. Yes, we have the outlined rules, for a good reason, but the admin has the final call in the moment and will live with the consequences of his judgment.

Happy New Years, all.

As i stated early this wasnt about camping it was about not playing he was not playing he was moving his mouse and shooting just enough to not get kicked from the server. 1 round he would move his mouse and shoot, another he would do nothing. this was about removing a small problem from the server for the time being, players need to be respectful towards other players, and going Afk for at least 7 rounds is not a good way of doing that. and its not about the whole afk thing its about the afk 1 round not the next but then afk then not back and forth. i solved the problem, until he could resolve it himself. end of story. THIS WAS NOT FOR EXCESSIVE CAMPING> this was for being dumb pretty much. if everyone thinks the camping rule should be cleaned up then fine, but no one here should get the idea that he was banned from the server for 5 mins because of excessive camping because not one time during the warnings verbally or threw chat did i say stop camping, i said play correctly or get out its not fair for the others players in the server. after all was said and done he didnt leave so it forced my hand cased closed problem solved, unless a clan member or Zero has anything else to add. if your so concerned with the rules read them, and if you dont understand PM the guy who made them for better understanding.