New way of dealing with bans

[maynard]

yes, but even if the majority choice is 2 ban the person and they are then perma band... if the person in question goes and appeals it with a unban thread, it's reviewed again, and new people vote on it.... which now that I think of it seems like it's going 2 slow the process down big time... am I getting that right zero? cause the majority of people protest their bans, so would it basically come down 2 everytime there's a permaban (and it's voted 2 uphold the ban) followed by a unban request, it will take a total of 4-6 people and 2 separate threads/polls 2 get it solved?

if that is what you're planning wouldn't it make more sense 2 have it so ONLY you deal with unban me threads after a vast majority perma ban is made given you are the best at spotting such issues... cause who would be 2 say that the second set of people who vote on the issue are any more qualified than the first? or why the opinion of the first group of voters doesn't really count, only the opinion of the second set of voters does? ... I'm confused...

Now if there is also an unban appeal before, after or during the above process it will not be evaluated until after the first decision is reached. If the first decision was an unban it will be disregarded. If it is not than the demo will be reviewed again by different clan members and another vote cast unless some of the original reviewing members have decided to rule innocent.

[ZERO]

If the initial ban is unanimous it can not be appealed. Also I am trying to leave the framework in for when we start to get upper level admins.

Then it will look more like this

admin issues ban (police)

upper level admins review and vote (court)

clan level reviews and votes if it was appealed (federal court)

zero reviews (supreme court)

The clan has the ability to decide on a case even if it not being appealed in that a case can be reviewed by them if that it wanted. In any case the clan decision always overrides the upper level. This is not how it works right now but how it will work in the future. It will not be for another month or so before we start to bring upper level admins in. This setup is to carry us over until then.

The application system for upper level admin will start in August.

[maynard]

Ohhh ok. that makes sense.

[THE HOLY SH**T!]

[ZERO]

Oh I forgot to note that logically if the first 2 votes are for the same option than action can be taken. Also this does not count as unanimous unless there was a 3rd vote that was for the same as the first 2. The point is that after 2 votes for the same decision than a 2/3 majority has occurred.

[Steamer]

Logically I reserve the right to step in at any time and make a final judgement. Any judgement made by me can only be reversed by me.

Winning?

zero reviews (supreme court)

Won.

Overall great system. After the last explanation on appeals process it looks like a good deal. While it may be a bit more thorough and time consuming, it will most likely make sure the "baddies" are kept out and and skilled players are actually left to play...

TY for info / STEAM ID req in title. This will make it much easier to find certain individuals.

[SCRIBBLE]

OK I see how it works. It's only going to take a slight adjustment to everyone's process but it will make a huge difference in the long run. Sounds good.