ALERT: Protect IP Bill is WORSE than S.978 and being RUSHED

[StarsMine]

Im sorry I tried to watch the video but those boobs got the better of me.
Anyways yea, im more disatified with the congress then any other part of the system.

Why they would make a law like this boggles me, I dont think it would last a year before the supreme court shoots it down, but by then the bill would have done its damage, and thats all the lobbiests care about.

[Steamer]

Heard this bullshit months ago, they did a good job keeping it bottled up until now. Sigh...

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Im sorry I tried to watch the video but those boobs got the better of me.
Anyways yea, im more disatified with the congress then any other part of the system.

Why they would make a law like this boggles me, I dont think it would last a year before the supreme court shoots it down, but by then the bill would have done its damage, and thats all the lobbiests care about.

You use the word lobbyist like there some independent source out to make every one miserable. Your wrong, lobbyists get paid by a company to convince and or bribe change in legislation to help benifit the company who hired him.

[StarsMine]

Never said everyone miserable, just anything that could be a threat to whoever signs their paycheck. Now I understand that's their job description. That does not mean I think a job like that should be as common as it is. They have their place yes, but their job is to try to get us to bend over, our job is to try to keep standing straight. Unless its from someone we love, no reason to just let them stick it in us. No lobbiests dont need to be done away with, but for fucks sake limit how much damn influence they have.

I feel they now have to much power in congress then the actual congress men do. I just view congress as a bunch of puppets that cant think for themselves or for the people that voted for them. I know there are quite a few as disgusted with the way it is and refuse to take the money, I respect those, and I also relize, most of those people dont stay in congress very long.

[Penis シ]

I have a few friends that are lobbyists. Most of their job isn't to convince anyone anything, it's to sell ideas. For example, I met the lobbyist that convinced politicians to sign the law that made smoking illegal in PA restaurants.

She had an interesting pitch, she went to a cigar bar with a few of the bigger names and then a restaurant, when they finished their meal, she walked outside and lit a cig in the dead of winter. They could've smoked after the meal in this restaurant, keeping most of her ideas and such to herself up until this point, she told them "Listen, I know it's the dead of winter and I can smoke in there, but there are children. If we can walk outside to smoke, for their benefit, so can everyone."

Mind you, it's not necessarily that simple, BUT most of their job isn't to whisper ideas and push money, no bribing or such, they treat them to a dinner on the company card, which there are laws restricting how you can do so, making it a legal method and then sell them the idea. Similar to the way a lot of places attempt to sell to captive audiences.

With that in mind, I think blame falls on the politicians for failing to read or understand the laws they've bought into as opposed to the lobbyists.

[StarsMine]

That sounds more like an activist then a lobbyist. Who was she working for in that situation?
Why are children in a cigar bar o.O.?

What I also want is actual proof of second hand smoke being bad for you. All they keep throwing around is a study done in the 80s that got discredited for sloppy science. Not saying it isnt bad for your health, but for god sakes, get some actual proof.

@steamer, Now not to get people pissed off, but has anyone noticed that as fewer people go into the armed forces, the defence budget goes up... how the fuck does that work?
We have less people in the armed forces then we have ever had, yet the biggest defence budget then ever, where the FUCK is the money going?

[Penis シ]

They went to a restaurant after the cigar bar. But even if there's no solid proof, I think it was an improvement of the overall experience in restaurants in PA.

On the other hand, no idea who she lobbied for.

[Steamer]

Yep yep...

In the "bigger" mans pocket.. and uhh... R&D. A huge portion to R&D, also a huge portion to bullshit R&D, a very nice portion of this goes to black projects. Since they don't have to be reported you really don't know how much of the budget is going into it or who's pocket, I mean what research, it is going into... nice huh?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

That sounds more like an activist then a lobbyist. Who was she working for in that situation?
Why are children in a cigar bar o.O.?

What I also want is actual proof of second hand smoke being bad for you. All they keep throwing around is a study done in the 80s that got discredited for sloppy science. Not saying it isnt bad for your health, but for god sakes, get some actual proof.

@steamer, Now not to get people pissed off, but has anyone noticed that as fewer people go into the armed forces, the defence budget goes up... how the fuck does that work?
We have less people in the armed forces then we have ever had, yet the biggest defence budget then ever, where the FUCK is the money going?

Your wrong. The military reaches quota every year.. we are to full. The army in a sense is trying to clense of anything for example... Our new complete bullshit pt test

[Steamer]

Your wrong, there are less now then there was in past times. Quota doesn't matter, he is talking total numbers. They went over quota. You should be nice and fit to be in the military, and the PT test is better off being harder than it was, keep all the fat lazy bastards out and have the ones in now be in better shape to do the job called upon good.