Wtf?!

[taz1stP]

remember if u get caught with 99 hits of acid they cant do shit but if its 100 u will be put in jail for conspiracy to over throw the gov by genocide. just a little bit of info there so u best make sure u count well. XD

[ZERO]

Yep, let's give government more power, sounds good to me.

We all know how well that works

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Yep, let's give government more power, sounds good to me.

That really isnt the case here though. People read that article and blow it way out of proportion. To fear what that article has to say simply means you fear the military and at the end of the day all the military will be doing is there jobs. its not giving more power to the government, its the government giving the military the right to apprehend possible and current threats to our national security and homeland.

There's the fear of ending up like the honest, hard working citizens who were detained without charge, or flown to countries where regard for human rights is low, and tortured. Fear based on precedent seems fairly rational.

It's nice to know, though, that I live in a country where I can be detained indefinitely without the protections that supposedly make it great.

then you haven't read up on the act, LoW and all of the other tacked provisions. If you are an honest working law abiding citizen, why would your life be any different? Just continue to live the way you have been for years. its not like soldiers would be out at every street corner setting up checkpoints to inspect your vehicle before entering citys. Besides, if you have been deemed a threat to the united states of America you would be "Processed" as one, just as someone being taken in as a PoW overseas. You are a PoW after being detained, you should be treated like one under the LoW and civil court is not part of that process.

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

then you haven't read up on the act, LoW and all of the other tacked provisions.

Feel free to elaborate.

If you are an honest working law abiding citizen, why would your life be any different? Just continue to live the way you have been for years. its not like soldiers would be out at every street corner setting up checkpoints to inspect your vehicle before entering citys. Besides, if you have been deemed a threat to the united states of America you would be "Processed" as one, just as someone being taken in as a PoW overseas. You are a PoW after being detained, you should be treated like one under the LoW and civil court is not part of that process.

"Deemed a threat" outside of the traditional judicial system, with no protections afforded. This kind of legislation keeps the country in a permanent, self-perpetuated state of war against an ideology, and the people that it accuses of following it. Keep in mind that being exempt from required detainment merely makes the detainment discretionary in accordance with the rest of the bill, and as far as I recall, the executive branch has come out and said that U.S. citizens and residents are fair game if they're deemed to be engaged in terrorism.

Declaring war on everyone who looks at you the wrong way, and giving military and intelligence agencies unilateral discretion to make that determination is the modus operandi of a police state, not of a free society. No nation with a legitimate respect for civil rights and justice would ever need this kind of legislation.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Feel free to elaborate.



"Deemed a threat" outside of the traditional judicial system, with no protections afforded. This kind of legislation keeps the country in a permanent, self-perpetuated state of war against an ideology, and the people that it accuses of following it. Keep in mind that being exempt from required detainment merely makes the detainment discretionary in accordance with the rest of the bill, and as far as I recall, the executive branch has come out and said that U.S. citizens and residents are fair game if they're deemed to be engaged in terrorism.

Declaring war on everyone who looks at you the wrong way, and giving military and intelligence agencies unilateral discretion to make that determination is the modus operandi of a police state, not of a free society. No nation with a legitimate respect for civil rights and justice would ever need this kind of legislation.

Dont get your head stuck around our country's way of handling criminals. As i stated once before the Law Of War and Geneva convention give strict and very clear rules when handling someone of that status. if some one commits a crime in the states it is handled by the judicial system, if someone commits an act of war or terrorism, they are handled under the Law of war. Its not hard to understand, really. It almost sounds as if your defending citizens who ARE currently involved in some terrorist activity by showing no trust in the people who live an die for your freedom. To fear a bill like this only means you do not have a clear understanding of how 1. the military works, 2. What the Law of war is, and 3. you feel like a possible target for god knows why.

Might i add that there would be serious repercussions if some random solider started arresting every body.

here is a link to a wiki page on the LOW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war
i can assure you that detained individuals still have rights as a prisoner of war.

in case you are wondering why i am defending this bill, im sure you are aware that we are growing into some pretty tough times as an individual nation and globally. Being on loose terms now with some country's who have had a large amount of its people immigrate to America. If we were to go to war with one of those country's, who is to say someone now naturalized here in the states would want whats best for there home land then our country. The bill is a precaution to what may come down the road and i see it as a necessity in these times.

[Carmichal]

I'm starting a revolution who's in?

unless I get arrested for saying that...

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

Dont get your head stuck around our country's way of handling criminals. As i stated once before the Law Of War and Geneva convention give strict and very clear rules when handling someone of that status. if some one commits a crime in the states it is handled by the judicial system, if someone commits an act of war or terrorism, they are handled under the Law of war.

And we're right back to the issue of legislating a perpetual war against a concept. "Terrorism" according to the federal government doesn't just mean people shooting at soldiers half-way around the world, it means people suspected of perhaps participating peripherally in the support of those people right here in this country, and the federal government has a history of detaining indefinitely and without charge people who have been proven entirely innocent of what they were suspected of. That isn't war. That's domestic terrorism prosecuted under the guise of war to sidestep the rights enacted to protect the population.

Its not hard to understand, really. It almost sounds as if your defending citizens who ARE currently involved in some terrorist activity by showing no trust in the people who live an die for your freedom. To fear a bill like this only means you do not have a clear understanding of how 1. the military works, 2. What the Law of war is, and 3. you feel like a possible target for god knows why.

On the contrary, Mikey. You're fundamentally misunderstanding what the United States is when you advocate broad legislation based on faith in the empowered branches and agencies to conduct themselves appropriately. The legislative foundation of this country is to limit granted powers to the greatest extent possible, provide independent oversight wherever possible, and to do so only within the confines of the constitution. For a very good reason.

[Chikun]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16093106

This looks like a nice place to forever disappear with no hope.

in case you are wondering why i am defending this bill, im sure you are aware that we are growing into some pretty tough times as an individual nation and globally. Being on loose terms now with some country's who have had a large amount of its people immigrate to America. If we were to go to war with one of those country's, who is to say someone now naturalized here in the states would want whats best for there home land then our country. The bill is a precaution to what may come down the road and i see it as a necessity in these times.

You mean have something similar to what happened to Japanese-Americans during WWII? I don't like the shitty parts of history repeating them self. How about we just destroy our country before the boogie man does.

You've successfully made me a little upset.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16093106

This looks like a nice place to forever disappear with no hope.



You mean have something similar to what happened to Japanese-Americans during WWII? I don't like the shitty parts of history repeating them self. How about we just destroy our country before the boogie man does.

You've successfully made me a little upset.

you and every other scared shitless person dont understand, you act as if the military is run by the government, when our chain of command touches no one in any of the three branches save for our commander and cheif, Barak Obama. To make assumptions that taking precautionary measures like this great idea is going to end up just like what happened to the Japanese, is completely absurd and obnoxious. the only possible way this could happen is if lobbyist convinced and persuaded military leaders "soldiers" an or the president to do something. so what you are inevitably saying is that you have no faith in our military or our president when it comes to making decisions. If that is the case then why dso you bother living here in the states? As an honest citizen, this bill protects your rights indefinitely by adding extra protection against homeland attack. Now dont get me wrong, im not saying that if it were passed there wouldn't be any "HEADLINE NEWS" about chain of commands arresting innocent people but with how powerful the media is and the current "Uprising for economic equality" going on, any over the top accusations against a person would be looked at, and the person punished. Punished just like any other soldier who breaks the rules of Law of War. in the large scheme of things its beneficial, it still has some flaws and minor loop holes but its a great idea non the less. stop acting as if your life would change drastically because of this law passing.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

you and every other scared shitless person dont understand, you act as if the military is run by the government, when our chain of command touches no one in any of the three branches save for our commander and cheif, Barak Obama. To make assumptions that taking precautionary measures like this great idea is going to end up just like what happened to the Japanese, is completely absurd and obnoxious. the only possible way this could happen is if lobbyist convinced and persuaded military leaders "soldiers" an or the president to do something. so what you are inevitably saying is that you have no faith in our military or our president when it comes to making decisions. If that is the case then why dso you bother living here in the states? As an honest citizen, this bill protects your rights indefinitely by adding extra protection against homeland attack. Now dont get me wrong, im not saying that if it were passed there wouldn't be any "HEADLINE NEWS" about chain of commands arresting innocent people but with how powerful the media is and the current "Uprising for economic equality" going on, any over the top accusations against a person would be looked at, and the person punished. Punished just like any other soldier who breaks the rules of Law of War. in the large scheme of things its beneficial, it still has some flaws and minor loop holes but its a great idea non the less. stop acting as if your life would change drastically because of this law passing.

damn. well said mate.