Mozart Ron Paul 2012 Wallhacks (YES, AGAIN)

[CYBER]

didnt "whatnow" join the forums to begin with because he was banned in game?...
if you look at the source ban, i banned 2 ppl named mozart.
If "whatnow" joined the forums claiming that i banned him , then he must be one of the 2 mozarts there.
Let;s review tho:
i banned the first mozart IN game, with the admin menu, and submitted it as "Wallhacks"

whereas the second ban, with the same name that joined after the first ban, was banned from source mod ONLINE. and the only reason i said there was that "he was banned under the assumption temporary that he is the same mozart."

now if the guy came here guns blazing that "he was in the middle of a game, and then got banned for wallhacking", wouldnt that mean he was the guy banned from the menu? i.e the first guy in game?
what is the confusion about tho... are you guys asking me if Whatnow's forums account is mozart's? or if the 2 mozarts are the same, and not only the same mozart yesterday, but the same mozart banned 2 other times before ?...
cyber

[Rosie]

My bad i just looked at the Source Bans page again. I didn't see the Mozart at the end of the name of the second guy. So even if he isn't a hack, he then gets banned for bypassing the first ban. Either way Cyber wins. Ill take a look at the demo's today and post back with something more constructive.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

My bad i just looked at the Source Bans page again. I didn't see the Mozart at the end of the name of the second guy. So even if he isn't a hack, he then gets banned for bypassing the first ban. Either way Cyber wins. Ill take a look at the demo's today and post back with something more constructive.

No not at all. The source bans last ban on him was Ron Pual 2012, the (Mozart?) was put there by cyber, the steam id's do not match, nor do the IP's. Mozart has been banned for hacking before, and unbanned for not being found guilty. It would have behooved cyber to of had someone watch them before making any bans and getting in to this "Speculation" mess. Ron Paul is a fraction away from being the republican nominee, it is a very common name right now. Even if the guy is both guys, he cant be perma banned for avoiding the ban unless he was found guilty of hacking in these demos provided, which i dont see btw.

[Spasm]

You need to prove that this is the same person cyber, you can't just ban because you think it is the same one. I see no Ip evidence of it being the same person. It may be the other thread, whichever one where you thought was the same guy.0

[CYBER]

yeah spasm i was gonna reply to that before you posted actually.

I want to thank mikey for pointing out who is Ron Paul in general. I'm not in USA so for me, that was a unique and random name, as opposed to how common it actually is in america.
That said, i am a bit curious as to how "perfect" the timing was when as soon as i banned a guy named mozart Ron Paul 2012 at 2:07 pm, ANOTHER Ron Paul 2012 shows up at 2:20 pm ? ... and never seen these 2 at the same time in the server all night until that time.... and then a guy joins with "whatnow" as a nickname on the forums? ... i personally thought it a bit provocative for a guy who could have been accidentally banned for mistaking him with someone else...

Also, i wasnt the one who thought it was mozart at first, i actually left the server just after i banned the hacks-suspected mozart, and it was Jerm that wrote me on steam saying , and i quote "mozart is back on the servers" ( i told wtf? i just banned the guy) , and he said "maybe under another account, he's still Ron Paul 2012 after you banned him..."
So i went there and issued a TEMPORARY ban , not for hacks, but for assuming it was the same guy, considering the 'coincidence" of him joining with the same "random for me" name as the guy i just banned...

I will unban the Ron paul 2012 guy, that joined afterwards (not the one banned mutually by me and alex for alleged hacking) and let him enjoy the server until there's a comparison of their IP adresses and whatnot. If it turns out to be the same person, AND proven hacking on other server, i will revert back to the ban.


Now can we stop worrying about the double account since i unbanned it, and actually settle if he was hacking or not please? it was not an easy decision to be honest... i hesitated between calls every moment,,, but those red moment seemed too fishy for me... coupled with Jerm's announcement that he thought he hacks, that ended up being my decision after hours of meditating in a long night... but i stand by my ruling regardless

EDIT: WHATNOW, if you are the guy with STEAM_0:1:8474747 then you have been unbanned for now until IP addresses are studied. My apologizes for any confusion, for now, considering how i still think the timing was for the second account to show up is perfectly timed.
And this would mean that the "suspected hacker" mozart guy (if not same guy) hasnt visited our forums yet to request being unbanned... Just thought i'd declare that.

[Xerenix]

Seeing as this needs closer checking, i will look it a little later as i'm short of time at the moment.

Just a warning, follow the correct format next time by having Username(of banned user) /Date(of ban) Time(of ban)/ STEAMID(of banned user) in the title since it takes less than a minute to copy paste the info from the Sourceban as i'm tired of people posting sloppy threads.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

EDIT: WHATNOW, if you are the guy with STEAM_0:1:8474747 then you have been unbanned for now until IP addresses are studied. My apologizes for any confusion, for now, considering how i still think the timing was for the second account to show up is perfectly timed.
And this would mean that the "suspected hacker" mozart guy (if not same guy) hasnt visited our forums yet to request being unbanned... Just thought i'd declare that.

yes he has.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/sho...-12-1-00pm-ish

[CYBER]

Yeah xerinix sry man, i keep copying the thread format from a saved notepad and keep forgetting that we now title the threads differently, i'll fix that in my following bans.

As for mozart, im going to be straight with ya, he was one of a spree of 3 hackers i banned in a row for hacks, and if he hacks, he's good at hiding it. But i watched for hours, and considering that i play complex and deagle every other map, i know my share of it.

If i was at the V, where he was, on complex, i wouldnt start randomly shooting at the right side window , spraying constantly until a guy who never showed up before decides to come out of the window... It aint romeo and juliette...i would have either gone a bit higher ground by going to the balcony, waitig to pick off the guy leaving the spot, or surprise them by running behind them with a knife, heck even gun/...

I wouldnt stand at the V intersection, shooting like a maniac for over 15 seconds at someone im nkt supposed to be seeing, emptying my clip, and leaving myself exposed to 3 entry points to the V sector where i could get killed instantly, specially if i ran out of bullets..

Im sry but for a guy like him who claims to be a pro, i dont buy the pattern... And why this time only? Im pretty sure i saw him walk by the V once, get shot, and then he moved on ( there was no one at window)... Why of all the times he walked newr the V, the only time he left himself exposed like this, ahooting like crazy at a wall, was when there was ACTUALLY someone there?...


And the mouse wobble thing after tick 24000 was it? I cant see it now, its in red.He went afk for 15 seconds (background app anyone?) and then as soon as he came back, his crosshair was doing a counter clockwise circular motion which he tried to hide by starting to rotate his mouse in a dancing style after he killed someone... Something he didnt do THE ENTIRE 2 demos except at the one moment where aimbot seems plausible...

this is why i called hacks, not because he was banned previously, or because i randomly saw him accidentally kill a guy in wall... It's just his pattern doesnt make sense, and constantly changes based on who is behind walls...

But yes, i admit it was the hardest ban decision inhad to do ever, but someone had to put him on hold until ULA watch these ... And i dont think jerm was gonna take the responsability of bannin him, or else he would hVe done it himself, and not call me in from steam for me to watch him...

Let's face it. there have been many admins reading the threads about mozart, and everyone threw an opinion about if the 2 mozarts are the same in order to be active in the bans, but so far, i haven't received response from non ULA admins about whether he hacks or not... Let's be honest, if it was obvious he doesnt hack , people would have been jumping on me screaming he doesnt hack, or jumping on him screaming "its obvious" ... so we can safely conclude that many admins who saw the demos are affraid to provide THEIR opinion considering that it is somewhat an annoying decision to make, i know i would have probably tried to avoid voting on this myself if it wasnt me the banner...lame, but honest.

Cyber.

[mozart]

he was one of a spree of 3 hackers i banned in a row for hacks,DOES THAT MATTER?
he's good at hiding it. NOTHING TO HIDE.

If i was at the V, where he was, on complex, i wouldnt start randomly shooting at the right side window , spraying constantly until a guy who never showed up before decides to come out of the window... It aint romeo and juliette...i would have either gone a bit higher ground by going to the balcony, waitig to pick off the guy leaving the spot, or surprise them by running behind them with a knife, heck even gun/... CALLED I DON'T CARE ABOUT WINNING JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN.

Im sry but for a guy like him who claims to be a pro, i dont buy the pattern... And why this time only? Im pretty sure i saw him walk by the V once, get shot, and then he moved on ( there was no one at window)... Why of all the times he walked newr the V, the only time he left himself exposed like this, ahooting like crazy at a wall, was when there was ACTUALLY someone there?... SHOULD THERE BE A PATTERN? I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER THE GAME BUT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE I WAS JUST MESSING AROUND.

And the mouse wobble thing after tick 24000 was it? I cant see it now, its in red.He went afk for 15 seconds (background app anyone?) and then as soon as he came back, his crosshair was doing a counter clockwise circular motion which he tried to hide by starting to rotate his mouse in a dancing style after he killed someone... Something he didnt do THE ENTIRE 2 demos except at the one moment where aimbot seems plausible... WELL I PRESS SHIFT TAB TO TALK TO MY FRIENDS ON FACEBOOK,OR WHEN I GO AFK I'M GETTING A DRINK OR MAKING SOME FOOD. (no i'm not going to show you my facebook page)

But yes, i admit it was the hardest ban decision inhad to do ever, but someone had to put him on hold until ULA watch these ... And i dont think jerm was gonna take the responsability of bannin him, or else he would hVe done it himself, and not call me in from steam for me to watch him... JERM ALWAYS IS SAYING HOW I WALLHACK HE GOES TO THIS MAP CALLED WALLHACKS, I'M SAYING THAT THE MAP SUCKS CAUSE NO ONE CAN REALLY DOMINATE IF EVERYONE CAN SEE EACH OTHER AND HE SAYS ITS BECAUSE OF YOUR WALLHACKS AND I JUST LOL.

Let's face it. there have been many admins reading the threads about mozart, and everyone threw an opinion about if the 2 mozarts are the same in order to be active in the bans, but so far, i haven't received response from non ULA admins about whether he hacks or not... Let's be honest, if it was obvious he doesnt hack , people would have been jumping on me screaming he doesnt hack, or jumping on him screaming "its obvious" ... so we can safely conclude that many admins who saw the demos are affraid to provide THEIR opinion considering that it is somewhat an annoying decision to make, i know i would have probably tried to avoid voting on this myself if it wasnt me the banner...lame, but honest. I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS BUT IF ITS SO HARD TO PROVE I HACK I'M MOST LIKELY NOT.

done.

[Rosie]

So after watching the demo's I have to admit that that is the shadiest video I have ever seen. At the same time it is really hard to pinpoint anything on him. He acts so randomly throughout the whole Complex demo I cant tell what his hacks are. Do I believe he hacks, yes I do. At the same time I can see nothing that proves he hacks. 9 out of his 10 kills are questionable, and I truely believe the only time he tracks people is out or drawothermodels 2 range. My official opinion should go down and neither yes, or no. Undecided.