Steamer

[Kamikazii]

ftp://208.43.70.234/auto-20120202-22...ofmint_fix.dem
at 22:56 (tick 91771) myself and another zombie break into the cade of ReviewR and Sheldor the Conqueror - almost immediately after Sheldor is slain by Steamer, who says "cade breaking" in spite of the fact that no cade breaking occurred (i was immediately outside of the door ReviewR and Sheldor were cading and over the course of about a minute myself an another zombie were able to pull two objects out and get inside. Trying to tell steamer he must have slain the wrong person follows at around 23:20

[Steamer]

Go before that tick, from when me and Review enter the room. That will explain the rest, and why I went into spec and did what followed. You did not see the entire thing Kamikaze, or you just do not know the rules. The cade was mine. The first guy had no right to break the bookcase, and Sheldor had no right to nade the props. Trying to tell me I slayed the wrong person when I in-fact slayed the right person is stupid. Continuing to argue about it was even more stupid. Higher ups can decide the rest. Here is a section of the rules for ya.

See:

Taking props forcefully from another persons cade without consent is prohibited
Attempting to destroy a barricade with regardless of intent:
To get into the users barricade
To get out of the users barricade
Throwing a grenade at the users barricade to spite them, or for personal entertainment. (This does not include accidental grenades; punishment will be left up to the admin to decide)

[Kamikazii]

I checked before it and you are correct, though you could have simply addressed what I said without gagging me, or answered wtf i was being gagged/kicked for at any point rather than enacting punishment without the slightest explanation as to why. For that matter, if delayed punishments are allowed after entering spec and watching the person (seeing nothing new after entering spectator mode), as are punishments for people arguing with admins without a need to give an explaination - why the hell am I being sanctioned? You did the exact same thing I did to get my admin access restricted and while yes, an explanation would be appreciated prior to having been gagged/kicked/gagged/banned (or at any point prior to one of those punishments) even if it's not required this is a damn double standard.

[Steamer]

I tried to explain, I gagged you to explain it further and you failed to take the explanation. I asked you not to ungag yourself to explain further again and you did not listen at all. I do not have patience for bullshit. The punishment was not delayed, as I was trying to fix the shit before I was tagged. After I was tagged I then went into spec to do what I was going to do anyway. I did not do nor have ever done the exact thing you have. Your situation is completely different from anything I have done and should not even be compared.

[Kamikazii]

My admin abuse case stemmed from punishing someone in a delayed fashion after going into spec (about as delayed as this) and then punishing someone for arguing with me (who wasn't even an admin) about why someone else was punished. It's actually a bit worse in your case because I was simply suggesting you typed the wrong name as you didn't appear to be anywhere near it, as a fellow admin, and in my case it was a player who had been running his mouth for several games going off claiming it was admin abuse.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

My admin abuse case stemmed from punishing someone in a delayed fashion after going into spec (about as delayed as this) and then punishing someone for arguing with me (who wasn't even an admin) about why someone else was punished. It's actually a bit worse in your case because I was simply suggesting you typed the wrong name as you didn't appear to be anywhere near it, as a fellow admin, and in my case it was a player who had been running his mouth for several games going off claiming it was admin abuse.

and also arguing about the privolages you got, fucking w/ gravity, slapping random people, and various other things

[Kamikazii]

and also arguing about the privolages you got, fucking w/ gravity, slapping random people, and various other things

I didn't argue about privileges I got, I asked questions that fellow admins didn't answer about their use until after several attempts someone showed me where the rules were posted. I never once fucked with gravity and slapping/blinding/druging/slaying/kicking were all used when appropriate - INCLUDING how I dealt with the OP of the admin abuse report on me if this thread is an accurate depiction of the rules concerning the case.

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Delayed or however you may see it, it was still in round, and the same would of happened be it I fixed my cade or not.

Delayed punishments of people don't bother me, however given my admin abuse case it seems to be very clearly against the rules, being the offense I committed.

Your case was more involved than just that blinding and slay. If Zero found the need to pull your logs and investigate himself and immediately restrict your admin, which doesn't happen very often, something is quite wrong. In my case I am an admin who has no prior abuse, and definitely does not need to waste time arguing with one who does.

If you mass banned everyone in the server tonight it would still be the first offense and I doubt prior record would matter - my offense was doing exactly what you did tonight, there is no distinction between us in that regard aside from the fact that I punished someone who was being belligerent about it (and told him to stop), and you punished an admin offering a suggestion that perhaps you slayed the wrong person and didn't even pay the courtesy of explaining why. Repeatedly gagging, kicking and ultimately banning are not explanations - and for that matter you banned me IMMEDIATELY after I said I was going to report abuse - still not having an explanation as to why I was being repeatedly gagged or kicked other than you saying "seriously" after I ungagged myself to ask what the hell you did it for - at that point no longer concerned with your seemingly uncalled for slaying of a player, but for your abuse directed at me - I didn't even get the slightest explaination until reading the unban message after opening this thread (there was no message in the ban other than "banned from server") and seeing it was for ungagging myself, something that was enacted without provocation to start.

[Steamer]

Delayed or however you may see it, it was still in round, and the same would of happened be it I fixed my cade or not. Your case was more involved than just that blinding and slay. If Zero found the need to pull your logs and investigate himself and immediately restrict your admin, which doesn't happen very often, something is quite wrong. In my case I am an admin who has no prior abuse, and definitely does not need to waste time arguing with one who does. Also here is Zero's words regarding yourself.

"Also admins that are on probation can have admin commands used on them by all non probation admins. So ANY ADMIN CAN FORCE HIM TO FOLLOW THE RULES."

That little bit means I can in-fact use commands on you to enforce rules. In this case, I interpreted not just your questioning and the fact there was no need for it, but also the fact you were ignoring an admin (ULA at that, [which also gives me the right to do so to keep not only my game play but others good]) as disrespect. IBIS is a dictatorship, not a democracy. The faster everyone learns that the easier it will be to get good gaming going steady.