Mutnaggewinu, 2/7/12, ~11am ET, STEAM_0:1:8615467

[Jackie Marlow]

Trust me, i feel the same...But sometimes we have to abide by our rules, beliefs and duties...He'll be missed on the server, he fucked himself over by hacking... It's his loss the most considering he just lost all his friends in ibis....

Oh yeah, I agree. I'm disappointed in his actions - not the result.

And whoever said it is totally right - he's really a good player, anyway. It's a huge prick move to hack when you already have more skill than most.

[Mut]

Hey guys... I don't cheat and never will. Shady has had it in for me since day one... I'm gonna post an unban and see how it goes from there. Cyber, Jackie, guys I don't cheat and never will. I've been playing a real long time since 1.0... I'm not the best and with all the loss & choke I've been having I try to play earlier in the morning cause it's less laggy for me and when I shoot my bullets actually hit the target. I have never been disrespectful to anyone of u guys, even after you guys speak so harshly of me, I expect it from Shady but he just needs to grow up and stop thinking he's the best. You found nothing guys, I am gonna look at the demo but despite those "claims" of me walling or what have you I do not hack, i have never cheated and I never will. I know my truths... Think of if this way, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't smoke and I don't even swear minus ass or dumbass and I have repeated B*tches name on a few occasions. lol Why would I cheat, I have too much respect for myself as a person and as a dad to ever cheat in a silly game like this, one I do enjoy playing. I personally believe that this is some sort of witch hunt, more so from a few others but esp shady... But I will speak my peace and whatever the decision that is made I will respect but I will leave knowing I have not once cheated and for others to accuse me becuase they look at a demo that looks suspicious without no proof says more about them than it does me. Welalin Aqq nemutlasn' nitap'k! ( Thanks and see you around my friends.)

[brett friggin favre]

Hey guys... I don't cheat and never will. Shady has had it in for me since day one... I'm gonna post an unban and see how it goes from there. Cyber, Jackie, guys I don't cheat and never will. I've been playing a real long time since 1.0... I'm not the best and with all the loss & choke I've been having I try to play earlier in the morning cause it's less laggy for me and when I shoot my bullets actually hit the target. I have never been disrespectful to anyone of u guys, even after you guys speak so harshly of me, I expect it from Shady but he just needs to grow up and stop thinking he's the best. You found nothing guys, I am gonna look at the demo but despite those "claims" of me walling or what have you I do not hack, i have never cheated and I never will. I know my truths... Think of if this way, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't smoke and I don't even swear minus ass or dumbass and I have repeated B*tches name on a few occasions. lol Why would I cheat, I have too much respect for myself as a person and as a dad to ever cheat in a silly game like this, one I do enjoy playing. I personally believe that this is some sort of witch hunt, more so from a few others but esp shady... But I will speak my peace and whatever the decision that is made I will respect but I will leave knowing I have not once cheated and for others to accuse me becuase they look at a demo that looks suspicious without no proof says more about them than it does me. Welalin Aqq nemutlasn' nitap'k! ( Thanks and see you around my friends.)

i've been around for quite some time too. cs 1.4 or 1.3..one of those two i think, idk it was before famas and galil. anyways, i've never considered you to be a hacker until i saw a few things this morning that just made me go hmmmmm. i looked at the demo and there's just some stuff i can't explain with sound, radar, or anything else. and not in a bill o'reilly way. in the first round, i have no idea what made you want to run to t spawn, sit in a corner, look at a box, and then just all of a sudden just jump up and shoot someone. that's where your experience argument goes against you...experiences people don't sit in corners looking at boxes. there were also walltraces and times where you'd shoot a glance over at the wall of the tower in the center. just the wall. not where you'd be able to shoot someone, just the wall. and it seemed more times than not that there was someone in there that your crosshairs just happened to go on or very near. some of what you do makes no sense whatsoever, especially for an experienced player, but you're too good to be a noob and doing things like...again...sitting in corners and staring at boxes.

[Mut]

I've made and seen some crazy shots, if you've been playing as long as I have man you've seen just about everything. I haven't viewed the demo as of yet but I will soon enough and then I will respond accordingly. But if you go through the games that 'ive played, I have shot ppl through walls, I've shot pp with head shots, I've wounded some ppl in the hopes I would do damage or think that someone might be there and once in a while when i'm really lucky I'll hit someone or kill them. That's CSS! I'm def not a new player but I will never play down or less to make ppl happy. I play how i feel it's that simple. I will not kiss anyone's ass to keep me on this server, my actions and my attitude thus far has been, I believe, respectful and full of joking/teasing. There are more than enough servers to play on and I believe there are more ppl here who think I don't cheat than think that i do. Irregardless of what some ppl think I will maintain what I've been saying and will keep on saying, "I DO NOT CHEAT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!"

[brett friggin favre]

I've made and seen some crazy shots, if you've been playing as long as I have man you've seen just about everything. I haven't viewed the demo as of yet but I will soon enough and then I will respond accordingly. But if you go through the games that 'ive played, I have shot ppl through walls, I've shot pp with head shots, I've wounded some ppl in the hopes I would do damage or think that someone might be there and once in a while when i'm really lucky I'll hit someone or kill them. That's CSS! I'm def not a new player but I will never play down or less to make ppl happy. I play how i feel it's that simple. I will not kiss anyone's ass to keep me on this server, my actions and my attitude thus far has been, I believe, respectful and full of joking/teasing. There are more than enough servers to play on and I believe there are more ppl here who think I don't cheat than think that i do. Irregardless of what some ppl think I will maintain what I've been saying and will keep on saying, "I DO NOT CHEAT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!"

i wasn't making any attack on your character, i wasn't asking you to play down or kiss ass, all i'm saying is that what i see in the demos does not make sense. you're right, i have seen a lot in my time playing cs. therefore my bs detector is pretty sharp. there's a process i go through:

1. that's bs.
2. spec
3a. did i see more bs? --> pull demo, proceed to 4
3b. no more bs? it was probably nothing. do not proceed to 4.
4. watch full demo of map for bs.
5a. did i see the bs i suspected? proceed to 6
5b. bs explained by radar/sound? do not proceed.
6. watch demo again, now with r_drawothermodels 2 on.
7a. did this explain the bs? if yes, hacks likely. more instances of speccing wallhacks explaining bs = more likely hacks
7b. still unexplained? keep an eye on him, but nothing conclusive.

your demo ended up in 7a, therefore i made this post.

[wack0]

doesn't hack, you bros dumb and mad. demo sucks.

[Mut]

Brett you can go through whatever process you need to still doesn't make it right or prove anything... u wrote initially: i know mut's been discussed, banned for hacking once, and unbanned. i haven't seen anything out of the ordinary until today. maybe i'm just in a pissy mood cuz my class got cancelled and i didnt get an email about it, but watch the demo. watch his para round, ticks 23k, 31k, 38k, and the 2 rounds after tick 38k.

mut, if it's my tired eyes deceiving me, i'm sorry. nothing personal brah. at least i'm not an admin banning you first, then posting this. it's mostly for a second/third/fourth opinion on what i'm seeing.

I'm not offended in the least Brett and I'm not taking it personally, not really... Just do what you think is right and how ever it goes one things i've been consistent on is no matter what you or anyone else believes I do not cheat, not now or ever. What I'm really upset with is that the travel agency for eductional tours royally messed up my trip to europe next month. My son is going with his class and I was an extra chaperone... Now that's something to be upset about! If not I'll just go put 5k$ down on a new truck! Have a great night all!

[carbon]

simply put, i don't think this is solid proof of wallhacking and i don't think mut is a hacker.

[Rosie]

Mutt I have nothing against you, and the few times we played together was fun. The trouble lies in the demo provided. As Brett said, you are staring at a box, and jump up and shoot a guy 3/4 across the map like he shot off a flare. When we see these demos all we can do is judge what is presented. Watch your own demo and tell us what you would think if it was someone other than you. If you watch the demo and think wow that looks like hacks, then you will understand our point. You could provide 100 demos of you not hacking, and if we see 5 seconds that looks too good to be true, then we have to judge that 5 seconds.

[roshill]

This is shocking and in a way hard to read. I have know you guys for a few months now. I have played in competitive games and what not since 1.6 and I have big check that went out to my clan to prove it. I can say this by experience that people who strive to achieve the best are ones who face the most trouble from any form or kind. This just might be one of them. I have not known Mut as you guys know him but from what I know he seems to be a Genuine guy. And based on his experience a score of 963 is not easy to come by. You really have to be at the top of your game to actually achieve or have alot of time on your hands.

Now after watching that demo I did see allot of different strategies Mut was using. And quite honestly they were really obvious and predictable on the part of the player that were playing against us. If you had been playing this long in all seriousness you would be using doing same things in a competitive match. The first move where he goes and sits behind the box was unpredictable and did bring him a few kills. Second time he went to the same spot to try that manoeuvre again he got shot and killed he change up his game he used that unsuspecting knife strategy where he sits down near the tower and waits for most of them to go in and jumps out and knife's them in the back. But remember he is still taking a risk still there a T could have popped up and caught him with cover behind those boxes.

I have no idea how many times he must have played that map in the past to have perfected on it but it seems like a strategy I can try some day. And I will for sure.

The other questionable kill was that HS that he got on RON Paul before the end of the game. And I can say that was judgement kill Ron had no other way that was as covered as that side track near the way leading towards the stair case and luckily his hunch was right and boom.

I know I don't have much of a say in this matter. I am a new admin I can just try to convey a message whereas upper admins have to decide on the matter. My recommendation to you is pull out as many games as you can and see as and find the games that can make or break this case. He deserves that guys he has worked really hard for this.

Coming to the point. Yes I have been off CSS for a really long time like 2 years while I was trying out other shooter games etc. What made me come back was the whole environment of this server or this game would have been rotting away like most others on my steam list. And yes off course score whoring. Now someday if I even come close to his gaming style and get a ban I know what he's going through. I have had huge disappointments in my time online too through other issues but long story short. Everyone deserves a second chance. And if you do find atleast 3 or 4 that actually look good at random ofcourse you can decide then.

Now I don't know what rates ticks etc etc stand for so. Guys don't start judging me over this you know what's right and what's wrong and I am not judging anyone here. Cause I love this server and everyone in it and I hope you take my suggestion openly.


Thanks,
IBIS Admin - Asim K.