Who are you voting for to become the president?

[Penis シ]

I made a solid attempt to serve my country Mikey, I was a boyscout for years, I tried going into the navy. Scored a 98 on the ASVAB. Then the doctor said I couldn't because of some bullshit injury to my arm from when I was 6. I shattered the elbow and it never set quite right. So I wasn't found physically fit.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I made a solid attempt to serve my country Mikey, I was a boyscout for years, I tried going into the navy. Scored a 98 on the ASVAB. Then the doctor said I couldn't because of some bullshit injury to my arm from when I was 6. I shattered the elbow and it never set quite right. So I wasn't found physically fit.

I wont agrue that they are very selective. Right now its even worse due to the funding and national debt.

At the end of the day you and me both know this argument regarding politics could last tell we are old grumpy men. It might behoove us to both save face and leave it at that. I repesct your opinion though I absolutely disagree on some of the matters. It dosnt really matter as long as indviduals advocate for change, as they wish to better our country. The only issue people have is how to go about doing so.

[Jackie Marlow]

Furthermore, the people who take this country for granted should be the people we cut from. America has never been a place that harbors the weak and fuels a persons inadequacies for there life time. We built this country on a concept that you work for what you want, you fight for what you want, and you fucking get it because that was what you want. If people like you pulled up there big boy pants and started acting like a battle hardened man, we could fix this country quicker by cutting from shit programs like welfare and the "Super liberal pansy ass hippy give a way fest for the weak" programs. stop worrying about other people and worry about your fucking self. If somebody rots on the side of the road because he or she chose to be a meth addict, i dont give a fuck. They weren't helping our country, and neither are the people abusing the previous programs i mentioned.
But who am I kidding, social programs that compensate for individuals lack of judgment and responsibilities isn't a waste of money At all, but rather funding for the well being of hard working citizens and national defense is.
edit: on a side note. I can only imagine if crab people ruled the world!!!!!!!!!!!

You can keep going on and on about liberal social programs but Obama has, in fact, cut welfare spending and will continue to cut welfare by his last year of his first term by over $100,000,000,000. Of the $882,000,000,000 spent by the federal government on medical aid, less than half goes to welfare and about 60%+ goes to senior citizens. This number continues to grow. Pensions for senior citizens is over $700,000,000,000 for 2011 and growing across the years.

Hospital and medical care for veterans? $49,600,000,000 in 2011. $52,300,000,000 in 2012. $58,700,000,000 projected by 2016. This falls under the umbrella of the overall military budget, which is almost $1,000,000,000,000 for 2011. This number drops by $640,000,000,000 by 2016 projections.

Deficit numbers for 2011: $1.6 trillion. Deficit for 2012 after spending cuts and end of wars: $1.1 trillion. Deficit for 2013 after Bush tax cuts expire and assuming economy doesn't improve at all and no additional cuts are made: $767 billion. Deficit for 2014: $644 billion.


What this means to me is that this country needs more than overall cuts in spending. It needs an overhaul of the health system, which began in 2009. It needs less spending on defense contracts for Lockheed Martin and Boeing and more spending on restoring our foreign intelligence agencies. It needs higher taxes for the people who can easily afford it, especially for the wealthy. The top 10% didn't all of the sudden start working 5,000% harder than the rest of us since 1982 - the game was just rigged in their favor via deregulation and relaxation of their tax bracket.

The country also needs to lower corporate taxes but actually collect taxes at that rate. The corporate tax rate is about 30% but large corporations don't even pay 10% a lot of the time. A corporate tax rate of 16%, paid by all companies, would immediately slash the annual deficit. Small businesses end up getting hammered, though. So, large corporations don't pay taxes and the smaller guys they compete with have to pay too much in taxes. And you wonder why the Koch brothers support the GOP?

Just awful.

[Steamer]

If you want a guy who will keep every talking point he makes, just don't vote at all.

Agreed. Exactly what I'm doing.

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Welfare is a flawed idea and it defeats the point of a person becoming a dependant, honest, hard working citizen. Free handouts are not free.

Your a fucking idiot. As far as service members... There really needs to be a cutback, then you wouldn't be facing so many orders, healthcare, and pay cuts. 80% of my friends are in some form of military service, I frequently visit them at their bases, and also do my job within many of said bases and government buildings. The amount of waste (labor, item, financial) is utterly fucking ridiculous.

IE: Pallets of unused LCD screens, over a year old.
Pallets of 100$+ laptop cases just tossed in dumpsters.
Members of active services doing absolutely shit.
I've seen janitors work harder.
There is soooo much more I could list.
I'm not bashing our military service members at all, there could be plenty of restructuring and dept relief going on though. The government cash flow I see wasted on a weekly basis is not understandable with our current economic downfall.

[Penis シ]

At the end of the day you and me both know this argument regarding politics could last tell we are old grumpy men. It might behoove us to both save face and leave it at that. I repesct your opinion though I absolutely disagree on some of the matters.

Agreed, I'm done and over with it. The talk is VERY informative in both the points that affect us every day AND that it makes us study and re-evaluate ourselves and our opinions, but that's why I have a 10 minute rule on political talks, anything over 10 minutes just gets ugly.

[Carmichal]

maynard this srs thread behave or I'm not giving you a treat!

[Curdy]

guess im late but if i could vote Ron Paul, since many of you have again been diverted from the big issue mostly being foreign policy and monetary policy. its pretty funny how a lot of you dont get it still

[Fluffy Frufflebottoms]

America has never been a place that harbors the weak

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

One day, Mikey, you'll be poor, and you'll be out of a job. That day you'll start hating yourself both for what you were, and for what you are.

[Chikun]

I'd vote for this guy.

[Steamer]

lol..