Health Care Reform

[SprayandPrey]

Should I buy stock in aluminum foil? There seems to be quite a need nowadays.

I guess this is how you explain EXECUTIVE ORDERS maybe your the one wearing the Foil hat cause something aint getting though to you.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.




LOOK the point is there is serious groundwork being laid and the potential for abuse is EXTREME !!! you trust Obama some trusted Bush but it dosent matter you should ask Who's next ??? because WHEN someone gets in who takes all this rope you give em and hangs you with it well I suggest you (kill yourself now)



And its not about people saying everything else is ok and now suddenly they have a problem with HealthCare there is a MASS Awakening in America and this was the first major fight and the Government Steamrolled the American people further proving their out of control. Bush started picking up speed and now Obama is pushing Warp speed on implementing this ground work. People are waking up! where the fuck are you? still suckling off the government Tit? watch your government Media and eat up what they sell you cause when the shit hits the fan your toast dip shit.

[ZERO]

Every nation that has failed did things on the basis that they were #1 and fill in the blank can never fail.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. History teaches us that diminishing personal liberty has never worked. Every nation that has allowed its government to control more and more power has failed. They also usually started out the same with a few good ideas and intentions. Also if you want to see where we are really going you only need to read in depth the history from 1900-1950 and you can see where many of these ideas came from. Back under FDR we tried to make health care a right and that idea came directly from the ussr. When you study the people who shaped history for those 50 years and look into their influences it is clear what the objective was. Now we have politicians who follow the beliefs of FDR and others from the first half of the 20th century except that today while we admit that they are inspired by the likes of FDR we will continue down the path and see where FDR got his inspiration from.

Too much do we allow ourselves to be fooled by all of these politicians by not actually looking at the truth and instead just the words. Take for example the statements made on education before. Yes it is likely true that other nations spend more $ however if you look at the numbers the US had increased $ in education for years and there has been no benefit. The translation is that according to the data given spending more $ on education has not yielded better education. Therefore it is illogical to conclude that $ is the problem. This would thus logically lead to a question of what the real problem is but lets just say it is not one that those in power would like us to discuss.

I admit that I may look at data with a bias as I want to find reasons to support individual liberty and give people the power they deserve over their lives. However, I will not ignore the truth and the truth is what I am interested in. With this in mind I can say that the further and further down the rabbit hole I have gone the more and more clear it becomes how much of the world is totally filled with lies. It is no wonder that we have so many problems when nothing that we even talk about anymore is even based in fact but merely talking points assigned to us by the people in power.


Also the orders listed above were repealed by orders from LBJ they were originally put in place during the time of the Cuban missile crisis for logical reasons. (at least if my memory serves correctly)

[XxMastagunzxX]

If you think America is the greatest nation in the world then you are kidding yourself.

Get the fuck out of here.

[ZERO]

Well you could also say it is the least worst...

[Clone]

after sorta reading some of this I have this to say...

I aint gonna even attempt to say something intelligent and logical because my head would fucking explode....

either way If america wants universal health care for all I think you guys are gonna need more money....

Clone

[ZERO]

after sorta reading some of this I have this to say...

I aint gonna even attempt to say something intelligent and logical because my head would fucking explode....

either way If america wants universal health care for all I think you guys are gonna need more money....

Clone

Unlikely clearly we have no budget problems at all even before this new bill...

[Spasm]

Also the orders listed above were repealed by orders from LBJ they were originally put in place during the time of the Cuban missile crisis for logical reasons. (at least if my memory serves correctly)

The FEMA list of Presidential Executive Orders



On February 16, 1962, President John Kennedy signed several Executive Orders which would allegedly give certain dictatorial powers to appointed bureaucrats in the event a "National Emergency" should be declared by the President — whichever president is sitting in office at the designated time. At the president's discretion "in any time of increased international tension or economic or financial crisis", the E.O.'s could theoretically be enacted.

These E.O.'s signed by Kennedy would give authority to the Federal Emergency Management Agency to control: communications, energy, food, fuel, farms, transportation, highways, railroads, inland waterways and seaports, health, education and welfare, drafts citizens into work forces under government supervision; relocation of populations, designates areas to be abandoned as 'unsafe'; relocates communities, and controls all public storage facilities.

On February 27, 1962 Kennedy signed E.O. 11051 designating FEMA as the authorized agency to implement the above orders, and which authority can be re-designated by the original authority.

President Nixon signed E.O. 11490 combining all the above to be enacted in one fell swoop; on July 20, 1979 Carter added a few minor amendments to them; and, in June, 1994 then president Bill Clinton signed E.O. 12919, which appears to encompass all of the E.O.'s.

We have found no Executive Orders that would nullify any of the above, so it appears they are all considered to be on the books at the time of this posting.

Given there is no Constitutional authority for any president to declare a "National Emergency," we have wondered how the orchestraters of this plan expected to successfully execute the E.O.'s.

The plan for total control of every aspect of our lives has been under construction for a long time. As you read these executive orders, bear in mind that they mean nothing by themselves. They are not law, nor can they become law by and of themselves.

However, under legislation that is currently pending in most (if not all) states, they could potentially take on significant meaning.

The Emergency Health Powers legislation, pending in state capitols all across America — if passed — would give the governor the power to declare a state of health emergency by executive order. He then would be able to hand the reigns of power to whomever he chooses — including the state's emergency management agency, which could essentially act as an arm of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Apart from — and sometimes combined with — these Emergency Health Powers Acts are varying forms of "anti-terror" bills that are virtually redefining the words "terror," "terrorism," and "terrorist."

Thats what I found about those, seems as if they are still usable under an "Emergency"

[ZERO]

Directly from the Federal Register

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
Revoked by the revoking of the superseding order 11807 by Executive Order 12196

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995
Revoked by Executive Order 11556

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997
Revoked by Executive Order 11490

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998
Revoked by Executive Order 11490

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999
Revoked by Executive Order 11490

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000
Revoked by Executive Order 11490

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001
Revoked by Executive Order 11490

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002
Revoked by Executive Order 11490

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003
Revoked by Executive Order 11490

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004
Revoked by Executive Order 11490

You should note however that while Executive Order 11490 did revoke the ones you stated as my memory recalled it did not exactly make things better and is actually the order that many point to as allowing for a "shadow gov"

However 11490 was revoked by Executive Order 12656

This last order has been amended by Clinton in 98 and Bush in 01 and 03.

[loka]

If your using FEMA as an example, it is the worst example you could use. Katrina anyone? FEMA is a revolving door of problems. Use a better example.

[Spasm]

Every nation that has failed did things on the basis that they were #1 and fill in the blank can never fail.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. History teaches us that diminishing personal liberty has never worked. Every nation that has allowed its government to control more and more power has failed. They also usually started out the same with a few good ideas and intentions. Also if you want to see where we are really going you only need to read in depth the history from 1900-1950 and you can see where many of these ideas came from. Back under FDR we tried to make health care a right and that idea came directly from the ussr. When you study the people who shaped history for those 50 years and look into their influences it is clear what the objective was. Now we have politicians who follow the beliefs of FDR and others from the first half of the 20th century except that today while we admit that they are inspired by the likes of FDR we will continue down the path and see where FDR got his inspiration from.

Good intentions is the deal breaker with the real world. Soviet communism was paved with good intentions. "A perfect society where it's no longer about the personal family and household but about the community." History shows where this led, to millions and millions of innocent people getting downright murdered. I think giving everyone healthcare is great idea if you only look at it from the moral side, the good intentions side, but it just does not work financially. What it eventually leads to is something far worse then the orginial problem. Just like Zero stated, history shows that large governments just do not work.