Night STEAM_0:1:141165 16/10/12

[CYBER]

6437Name : Night
Steam id : STEAM_0:1:141165
Banned by : Cyber.
Reason: walls/esp.
Link to ban: http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&searchText=STEAM_0%3A1%3A141165&Submit=


Demo: attached.
ticks i STRONGLY recommend watching the entire demo to see how he plays first.
SourceTV Demo: 6437

9000 turns off flashlight for no reason while waiting backwards? why? oh wait, someone came behind the wall... i guess he didnt want the other guy to see his flash.. since he knows already its not a vaga.


22k knows criminal is there. no excuse whatsoever to walk towards that place, and be facing HIM


30500 HACKS! he waits in spawn for TOO long, for no reason, bcos in wallhacks u can see a jack bhopping to spawn, he waits and thennnn :
31100 MOUSE TWITCH!! notice the hesitation to prefire?


58300 DEFINITE prefiring. i slowed it down to 1 fucking percent... he prefired.


76k shoots a guy through wall 2 seconds before he showed up. (it was the reason the guy came out in the first place) keep watching his shooting pattern while wireframe... notice how he is confused as fuck with 3 people walking in... couldnt tell who's still on screen and who isnt ?:P (im winging it here.)

There are more ticks down the list, but he became very aware bcos of theh players bitching... and i didnt get the chance to keep watching bcos my game just crashed and wont turn back on... So please ULAs , keep watching the last 10k ticks or whatever is left? thanks :)

edit: btw people STOP CALLING OUT HACKERS ON EACH FUCKIN SHOT! joke about it with non hackers, fine, but people we are already watching? come on! it doesnt help our work... u can see how steamr got pissed of people narrating the hacker when he was trying to watch after i called him in...

[Erdenay]

Finally.

[Spasm]

I want to watch this, dudes steam id is STEAM_0:1:141165. Thats extremely low. Going to work now though sadly.

[kenneth918237]

obvious lol

[SCRIBBLE]

got to 20k on my work computer and the game crashes every time.

9000 and 12000 he kills mailbox. Mailbox was not on radar at the time. It looks like walls but I'll have to look at it when I'm done with work.

[XX0wnsXY]

9000 is hard to explain. He did not directly trace him but did stop and wait for him (seemingly). Could have been a coincidence that someone was actually coming.

22k - may seem like he knew exactly where criminol was, however from what I gather, his teammates are going in that direction (if he's watching radar he can see that), and, he appears to be looking out of the window first, and you can just begin to see criminol, and that is when he reacts. He doesn't actually react before it is visible that criminol is in that spot.

30500 is another one that is hard to explain. Same instace, basically, as 9000. He turns around and waits. However, he may also just watch that spot a lot and gets lucky. i don't know. there is no direct trace so that's a hard call

cyber, at 58000 you can hear the glass being knifed. He heard that and reacted by prefiring. Nothing here.

76k he does shoot a guy through the wall. Looking objectively though, he is in a firefight and knows there are other players around (it's the spawn, that's a popular hide spot, there is a guy already by the steps..etc). There are a lot of circumstances in this one instance and you can look at it and say "Yes, he did shoot at another player through the wall, but also..this is what was going on and it could have been skill 'i.e..shooting a spot that people often hide', or it could have been lucky residual from the firefight..who knows.

at 83k omegakid calls him on hacks because "he came around the corner and shot him without even looking"..which was untrue. He took a second, paused and saw his face.

For some reason I can't watch past 85k ;(

yes there are some iffy moments and hard to explain, but nothing definitive enough for me to say that they are absolutely hacks and rather, a player with skill and knowledge of the map and others playstyles. I'm gonna vote no. What sucks is, that people called hacks blatantly, so that if he does happen to be unbanned and is smart, he'll stop.

[Erdenay]

9000 is hard to explain. He did not directly trace him but did stop and wait for him (seemingly). Could have been a coincidence that someone was actually coming.

22k - may seem like he knew exactly where criminol was, however from what I gather, his teammates are going in that direction (if he's watching radar he can see that), and, he appears to be looking out of the window first, and you can just begin to see criminol, and that is when he reacts. He doesn't actually react before it is visible that criminol is in that spot.

30500 is another one that is hard to explain. Same instace, basically, as 9000. He turns around and waits. However, he may also just watch that spot a lot and gets lucky. i don't know. there is no direct trace so that's a hard call

cyber, at 58000 you can hear the glass being knifed. He heard that and reacted by prefiring. Nothing here.

76k he does shoot a guy through the wall. Looking objectively though, he is in a firefight and knows there are other players around (it's the spawn, that's a popular hide spot, there is a guy already by the steps..etc). There are a lot of circumstances in this one instance and you can look at it and say "Yes, he did shoot at another player through the wall, but also..this is what was going on and it could have been skill 'i.e..shooting a spot that people often hide', or it could have been lucky residual from the firefight..who knows.

at 83k omegakid calls him on hacks because "he came around the corner and shot him without even looking"..which was untrue. He took a second, paused and saw his face.

For some reason I can't watch past 85k ;(

yes there are some iffy moments and hard to explain, but nothing definitive enough for me to say that they are absolutely hacks and rather, a player with skill and knowledge of the map and others playstyles. I'm gonna vote no. What sucks is, that people called hacks blatantly, so that if he does happen to be unbanned and is smart, he'll stop.

Few quick questions, if you don't mind:

Tick 22k - Criminol was not seen on any of the radars and there was no real good reason why to expect him to be there, yet Night assuredly moved towards him. Furthermore, check the demo and tell me if he ever checked that spot before or after that round? Yeah...

Tick 30k (and to lesser extend the 1st noted tick) - why does he never do that again through out the whole map and the only two times he stays at that awkward spot (along with the crosshair jerk) is when there suddenly are enemies coming?

Tick 58k - Meh, that seems a little convenient, but fine.

Tick 76k - Personally, I thought that this was the biggest BS tick through out the demo. I think he turns it off after this tick.

I really wish I'd have kept some other demos of his... *sigh*

[XX0wnsXY]

Few quick questions, if you don't mind:

Tick 22k - Criminol was not seen on any of the radars and there was no real good reason why to expect him to be there, yet Night assuredly moved towards him. Furthermore, check the demo and tell me if he ever checked that spot before or after that round? Yeah...

Tick 30k (and to lesser extend the 1st noted tick) - why does he never do that again through out the whole map and the only two times he stays at that awkward spot (along with the crosshair jerk) is when there suddenly are enemies coming?

Tick 58k - Meh, that seems a little convenient, but fine.

Tick 76k - Personally, I thought that this was the biggest BS tick through out the demo. I think he turns it off after this tick.

I really wish I'd have kept some other demos of his... *sigh*

22k, criminol may have not been on radar but his teammates were heading in that direction. I noticed that his teammates were there and even if he happened to wander over there, once he got there, he didn't immediately react. It appeared that he had intent to look outside of the window and in the snow, however saw criminol and reacted.

30k and the other one where he waits in spawn, like I said, are iffy. He does it twice and yes, enemies are near both times, but it's not a secret that players come that direction.

IMO 76K is the only tick that made me really question, however, I also considered the cirumstances (as explained in my old post).

My job as ULA is to watch a demo, try to debunk what I can (ghost hunters style) and think of ALL possible solutions (within reason) before screaming hacks, which is what I did. Watching the demo, I could not make a decision..which is why I voted no. If there is ANY doubt, i don't vote yes. Ban threads require more than one ULA for a reason..the right decision will be made and I'm not saying it will be yes or no..but it will be the right one.

[CYBER]

About 58k, u can hear sht, yes, but for 1 thing: i recall the glass being broken a few moments before he went there. Another thing is that there was a fight going on with a teammate of his at the left side, if anything the glass shatter was bystander dmg.

For tick 22k, the one with criminol, criminal was NOT on radar, i double checked all of them, and watched for audio; he couldnt have known that someone is there.

One thing about him u need to know is that he is trying to hide it by always looking AWAY from people hiding and then go 'oops! Someone was here??' ... I mean why is molecule his fsvorite choice for a race? Other than it's a strong race, its the perfect race to play when u can see people through walls, bcos u can just pretend for a frsction of A second that u didnt see the enemy, have them initiate contact first whih is fine bcos u can evade and have a shield on....

Another note is that at tick 22k, that was the ONLY time he ever went to check that spot, he passed by that sector a few more times in the mal, he never went there...

And the reason to go check that spot in the first place is beyond unexplainable! I get it if u went into the room above guns blazing, but to check behind that wall knowing that ur teammates got ur back from behind?
Meh... I still say bs.

As for 9k, his flashlight gets turned off in anticipation,


at 30k u can see a hesitation with a prefire... Notice that he stays there about 12 second before the enemy shows up, why the fuck would u do that and just wait here, leaving ur back open for 3 entry points on the stairs??

If u had esp, and going up the stairs, u can probably spot someone bhopping to the back of ur spawn: he was going UP THE STAIRS, then he completely stops suddenly and falls back and waits there for TWELVE seconds looking at nothing, his crosshair completely fixed there, but somehow 1 second before the guy pops around the corner his crosshair twitches in the same direction??

Obviously he was watching the guy with his eyes and the movement was a subconscious effect of a hand following eye motion, its a common slip in wallhackers....


And as for the omega thing, i stated it in game later that it was very legit, he saw him clear as day first. But thats the fucked up part, everyone started calling hacks on everyyhing, made it hard for us to watch... I still say hacks and more than conclusive actually.

The demo keeps crashing with me after that tick too... Even after i downloaded the map 3 different times... Anyone having better luck? ...

[XX0wnsXY]

Okay watching those ticks again..im going to retract my vote and vote yes...which I never do (Im stubborn and like to stick to my guns)..

However, Cyber, I didnt notice him turning his flashlight off in anticipation before, but watching it again, you're right.

Also, looking at tick 22k and slowing it down, I notice that he does aim his mouse toward the direction of Criminol.

and with 76k in addition (even with the circumstances)..

Ill vote yes and say that he must be really good at hiding it if it took this long to find any evidence that my be conclusive.

There you have it folks, I belted and changed my vote

inb4 PUSSY!

[brett friggin favre]

9000: nothing. he's covering his team's ass, knowing that since nobody went front they're vulnerable from the rear. deez came through spawn a bit prior, and he was a vaga so that's why night figures no reason for the flashlight, and why he goes back to see if anyone was following deez. he checks the spot but doesn't react til the target is WELL in view, no evidence here.

22000: night was previously shooting at crim out front and saw him retreat. he could have either gone up into the front office or under it, to the back yard. then he saw his teammates go take the front office, no criminol in there. logically the only place he can be is out back, he ran towards the location in tandem with a teammate from lower who cleared all spots except near that back wall. that is the only place crim could be, no evidence here.

30500: people out front on radar, killing his teammates, he knows he's about to be flanked and he's the last man back, so he holds up the rear. again no reaction to the enemy til he's well in sight. no evidence here.

31100: i see no real twitch, nothing non-human anyway. he does realign his gun slightly a bit before the guy gets there but that hardly constitutes evidence. also, hesitation to prefire? prefire is prefire, if you hesitate to prefire, it's not prefiring...it's just firing.

58300: what owns said, clear audio signal that a guy came through the window. since he could also hear the knife specifically, it's not from some other fight going on.

70600: this is the only fishy tick i see. however it's a common spot, and he could just figure he's stuck in molecule so he might as well check that spot. if there's any prefire, it could be explained by just guessing that someone's there and trying to bait them to take him on while he's in molecule. it's certainly fishy but there are other explanations for his behavior.

not enough here. everything can be explained in a perfectly logical way. i see no evidence for walls and nothing concrete for esp. keep an eye on him but if he was being sneaky about it before, he'll be even more careful now. no extensive history of hacks, just 2 bans on other servers, one for user.cfg import and one for "hacks" which i'm gonna discredit as being pretty unprofessional. can't fault you for making the ban though, and in my mind it's better to make the ban and be incorrect than to just let it go.

since owns' vote was changed to yes, as i post voting stands at 1-1, thread is STILL OPEN.

[CYBER]

Hmmm not bad tom, not bad. At least someone else is questioning the same questions i did. And owns , again, wallhackers know better than to trace someone.,,,, they'd always look away.. Go to that tick at 22k, what do u see? U see him going towards that windown looking outilskde (fine, away criminol)... But look closer, what is he looking at? He literally traces nthn in that spot, he looks above the container which he already saw that no one was there. If he really wanted to check that spot for no fucking reason whatsoever, wouldnt he at leadt take a look at the bottom because he ALREADY saw that there no one top left? Looking at the window was an excuse, he wasnt checkig spots hidden, he went and looked st a spot visible feom away, as an excuse while holdig molecule, to go and find that guy there. And owns, again, he wasnt on radar, sound or nthn, and he never ever went there ever again, after passing by that spot 3 other times....

[XX0wnsXY]

9000: nothing. he's covering his team's ass, knowing that since nobody went front they're vulnerable from the rear. deez came through spawn a bit prior, and he was a vaga so that's why night figures no reason for the flashlight, and why he goes back to see if anyone was following deez. he checks the spot but doesn't react til the target is WELL in view, no evidence here.

22000: night was previously shooting at crim and saw him retreat. then he saw his teammates go take the front office, no criminol in there. logically the only place he can be is out back, he ran towards the location in tandem with a teammate from lower who cleared all spots except near that back wall. that is the only place crim could be, no evidence here.

30500: people out front on radar, killing his teammates, he knows he's about to be flanked and he's the last man back, so he holds up the rear. again no reaction to the enemy til he's well in sight. no evidence here.

31100: i see no real twitch, nothing non-human anyway. he does realign his gun slightly a bit before the guy gets there but that hardly constitutes evidence. also, hesitation to prefire? prefire is prefire, if you hesitate to prefire, it's not prefiring...it's just firing.

58300: what owns said, clear audio signal that a guy came through the window.

70600: this is the only fishy tick i see. however it's a common spot, and he could just figure he's stuck in molecule so he might as well check that spot. if there's any prefire, it could be explained by just guessing that someone's there and trying to bait them to take him on while he's in molecule. it's certainly fishy but there are other explanations for his behavior.

not enough here. everything can be explained in a perfectly logical way. i see no evidence for walls and nothing concrete for esp. keep an eye on him but if he was being sneaky about it before, he'll be even more careful now. no extensive history of hacks, just 2 bans on other servers, one for user.cfg import and one for "hacks" which i'm gonna discredit as being pretty unprofessional. can't fault you for making the ban though, and in my mind it's better to make the ban and be incorrect than to just let it go.

since owns' vote was changed to yes, as i post voting stands at 1-1, thread is STILL OPEN.

LOL now im confused :(. Im glad that someone else saw what I saw originally. I SHOULD HAVE STUCK TO MY FUCKING GUNS. LOL

[Erdenay]

22k, criminol may have not been on radar but his teammates were heading in that direction. I noticed that his teammates were there and even if he happened to wander over there, once he got there, he didn't immediately react. It appeared that he had intent to look outside of the window and in the snow, however saw criminol and reacted.

30k and the other one where he waits in spawn, like I said, are iffy. He does it twice and yes, enemies are near both times, but it's not a secret that players come that direction.

IMO 76K is the only tick that made me really question, however, I also considered the cirumstances (as explained in my old post).

My job as ULA is to watch a demo, try to debunk what I can (ghost hunters style) and think of ALL possible solutions (within reason) before screaming hacks, which is what I did. Watching the demo, I could not make a decision..which is why I voted no. If there is ANY doubt, i don't vote yes. Ban threads require more than one ULA for a reason..the right decision will be made and I'm not saying it will be yes or no..but it will be the right one.

For 22k, what Cyber said is completely true. There was absolutely no reason for him to go there as normally you won't find any T's there and there were a lot of teammates as you noted, who had his back. The point here is not the reaction - good hackers try to hide the fact that they hack under various different tactics - it's the fact that he went there to check the place ONCE seemingly out of random when there was a guy even though it's not in his pattern and that spot wouldn't make a lot of sense to check.

30k - yes, but again, the only time he waits are those 2 ticks. I've actually played a Devil's advocate to Cyber about this last night and IMO, it's not conclusive enough alone, but along with all other BS, it should be enough.

76k - yeah I saw that, but I honestly think that those circumstances were not completely valid - if you take into account everything else.

I fully understand that and I'm not trying to argue about that - I argued about this ban with Cyber last night about some of the ticks he used. Yeah, I realize that - I just wanted to understand your reasoning for some of those ticks and add my 2 cents about it.

[XX0wnsXY]

For 22k, what Cyber said is completely true. There was absolutely no reason for him to go there as normally you won't find any T's there and there were a lot of teammates as you noted, who had his back. The point here is not the reaction - good hackers try to hide the fact that they hack under various different tactics - it's the fact that he went there to check the place ONCE seemingly out of random when there was a guy even though it's not in his pattern and that spot wouldn't make a lot of sense to check.

30k - yes, but again, the only time he waits are those 2 ticks. I've actually played a Devil's advocate to Cyber about this last night and IMO, it's not conclusive enough alone, but along with all other BS, it should be enough.

76k - yeah I saw that, but I honestly think that those circumstances were not completely valid - if you take into account everything else.

I fully understand that and I'm not trying to argue about that - I argued about this ban with Cyber last night about some of the ticks he used. Yeah, I realize that - I just wanted to understand your reasoning for some of those ticks and add my 2 cents about it.

Well, as i've royally fucked this one up..im going to step away from this thread now and let the other ULAs weigh in.

[CYBER]

Well, as i've royally fucked this one up..im going to step away from this thread now and let the other ULAs weigh in.
gd move. best you could have made now lol, its a tough case...

it's having everyone go back and forth, and i understand ur position, i've been in that spot... hence why im saying its a good move that u tied the votes and got out of the equation, now we need to other ULAs to weigh in...
personally i think that ALL ula need to weigh in on this,u guys are 5 people since im excluded of this... 5 votes will tip off the balance for sure, and i really believe it will require all of them...

spasm expressed that he wants to watch this. good.
in that case, steamr and scribble should post their opinions as well about what they see ... might be the ONLY chance to ever catch this guy.. ever again.

[Erdenay]

Well, as i've royally fucked this one up..im going to step away from this thread now and let the other ULAs weigh in.

Wouldn't go as far as to say that. You've had your reasoning and it did made sense - furthermore, no one is perfect and we all make mistakes, so IMO, don't worry about this. I'm really curious what Streamer/Spasm will say about this. Hopefully, if I'll have enough time before my lab, I'll write a rebuttal for Brett as well.

[Erdenay]

9000: nothing. he's covering his team's ass, knowing that since nobody went front they're vulnerable from the rear. deez came through spawn a bit prior, and he was a vaga so that's why night figures no reason for the flashlight, and why he goes back to see if anyone was following deez. he checks the spot but doesn't react til the target is WELL in view, no evidence here.

22000: night was previously shooting at crim out front and saw him retreat. he could have either gone up into the front office or under it, to the back yard. then he saw his teammates go take the front office, no criminol in there. logically the only place he can be is out back, he ran towards the location in tandem with a teammate from lower who cleared all spots except near that back wall. that is the only place crim could be, no evidence here.

30500: people out front on radar, killing his teammates, he knows he's about to be flanked and he's the last man back, so he holds up the rear. again no reaction to the enemy til he's well in sight. no evidence here.

31100: i see no real twitch, nothing non-human anyway. he does realign his gun slightly a bit before the guy gets there but that hardly constitutes evidence. also, hesitation to prefire? prefire is prefire, if you hesitate to prefire, it's not prefiring...it's just firing.

58300: what owns said, clear audio signal that a guy came through the window. since he could also hear the knife specifically, it's not from some other fight going on.

70600: this is the only fishy tick i see. however it's a common spot, and he could just figure he's stuck in molecule so he might as well check that spot. if there's any prefire, it could be explained by just guessing that someone's there and trying to bait them to take him on while he's in molecule. it's certainly fishy but there are other explanations for his behavior.

not enough here. everything can be explained in a perfectly logical way. i see no evidence for walls and nothing concrete for esp. keep an eye on him but if he was being sneaky about it before, he'll be even more careful now. no extensive history of hacks, just 2 bans on other servers, one for user.cfg import and one for "hacks" which i'm gonna discredit as being pretty unprofessional. can't fault you for making the ban though, and in my mind it's better to make the ban and be incorrect than to just let it go.

since owns' vote was changed to yes, as i post voting stands at 1-1, thread is STILL OPEN.

I'm not sure if you've watched the whole demo, Brett, but if not, I'd highly recommend. Take a notice at patterns and movements (lets give him a benefit of a doubt for somehow pretty much always conveniently popping out at the right time) and how they are different than those ticks listed by Cyber.

9k - IMO, by far the weakest as I've told Cyber, this means nothing and if not for the fact that the only time he camps there would be 2 times when there are people coming from behind him AND that he turns off his flashlight magically right before the guy appears, it would mean next to nothing.

22k - somewhat disagreed. Yes, he did shoot Criminol before, but there's more than one hiding spot there and it seems like he was fixated to heading to the EXACT spot where Criminol was waiting.

30k - I actually told Cyber that both this tick and 9k were the weaker ones for me, BUT that adjustment is rather convenient and this tick goes into the bigger picture when you considering everything else there. Furthermore, he didn't exactly know where his teammate died (my radar didn't show the precise location) and a fair amount of time has passed while his teammates were moving on, thus it's really ODD that he decided to wait for such a long time in that spot until someone showed up.

58k - I'd just like to add while you heard that window crash, the prefire was somewhat odd + furthermore so you'd leave your back COMPLETELY open especially since you knew he was coming (grenade)?

70k has been discussed to death and I don't really see anything I can add that hasn't been said or can't be seen.



The first night when this fucker joined, I told Cyber that I was pretty sure he's been hacking - and he's been pulling all kind of BS through out his time here. There's plenty of people that have seen his BS on regular basis and just because we haven't banned him yet, doesn't mean that he wasn't hacking either. The ticks provided along with a lot of general BS moments in the demo are enough for me, but we'll see what Spasm and other ULA's will say.

[tj26]

I was playing in the demo and it was quite odd. When he first joined the server he was always getting insane scores i always thought he was hacking but no admins ever said anything about it so i let it go. Glad it was finally brought up at least, he tends to do better when no admins are in the server tho just saying

[CYBER]

for some ula's that are confused...and think that the thread got closed, it didnt. Read the comments, not the poll:

Brett voted No.
Owns voted Yes.
Cyber voted Yes (not that it matters but i did make the damn thread u know).

So steamr, scribble and spasm can still vote now.

The thread id STILL open.



edit: steamr updated the demo, now u can watch after tick 85k , and apparently steamr says there is some juicy shit there.

[Steamer]

I'm going to sit here and go through everything I see that is odd and update along the way for more review.

Tick 3400: Vaga pops out, super nice fast swing, dead stop, first bullet hits leg.
Tick 8100: Slow it down, watch what happens a few ticks before. Deez isn't on radar, preoccupied with TJ after his ulti, mouse hovers to wall closer to deez, soon as that smoke pops, he starts shooting before you can barley see shit.
Tick 9000: While I agree with brett, his mouse does indeed follow from edge to finish, after flashlight is turned off. Too much shitty coincidence.
Tick 11400: While in fight with deez he directly shoots TJ's fallen AK through the wall. Coincidence.
Tick 22000: Meh.... Not really a big deal.
Tick 26000: Preswing odd, could be sound + high traffic.
Tick 30000: The only thing that gets me here is the hesitation and wait with the human as he is trying to TP...
Tick 31000: Again with the jack shit and dumpster... Refer to 9k
Tick 58300: Meh...
Tick 76000: Too much going on to really say anything concrete.

With the addition of posting what else I saw, I'm not going to vote. Do I personally believe he is cheating, yes. Does the demo provide me enough evidence to make a decision, nope. Again, don't jump the gun. Discuss in house before posting shit on difficult things that really look like cheating, will avoid a "bad" ban at the time, and not key the player you are watching them hard, so they don't get even more tricky and difficult with their cheating (If they are).

[Night]

Some general statements as part of my defense.
1. I have over 300 hours logged playing CS:S, not counting regular CS, and have been playing CS since the beta days.
2. At least 100 of those hours were spent playing on a 24/7 office server, I usually don't do so well on the other maps unless I'm playing OP races.
3. These are my settings, try playing with them and see the advantages it gives you.
rate 100000
cl_cmdrate 100
cl_updaterate 100
cl_interp_ratio 1
cl_interp 0
fps_max 300
sensitivity 6
4. I wear earphones, they're not great, but you can still hear better than normal speakers.

9000 - Why would I leave my flashlight on when all the vagas died on T.
11000 - i killed deez and turned off my flashlight shortly after too.
There are several other ticks where i turn off my flashlight when theres only 1 or 2 people left on T.
26000, killed deez, turned off flashlight.

22000 - Start watching from 20k, 2 teammates were chasing him from below and I went thru top to flank, there's only 1 ladder up from the tunnels so that's where most people would check first. Earl grey and beast went thru tunnels, beast was already out of the tunnel and into the courtyard when i headed towards the ladder window. Beast even said it himself in voicechat he and the other guy had been following Criminol for a while.

30500 - Earl grey and Koz were covering T spawn and I was the one in the rear so I turned around to cover our asses, this is not the only time I do this. And like Brett said, you don't even see me react until the person was well within view.
31100 - What twitch, my crosshairs slipped left and a second later I adjusted back to where I was aiming before. Again, this happens several times throughout the game. Bound to happen with high sensitivity settings.

58300 - I prefired the 1 time in a 36 minute game, give me the benefit of the doubt here. You can hear the windows break a little bit before I prefired. To tom who said why I'd leave my back open, people don't usually come down the stairs with CT covering from the garage. And it was that grenade which made me head back and towards window side in the first place.

76000 - I shot only 3 shots thru the wall to check, after which u see my aim immediately sweep left to the guy coming into my view. If I knew there was a guy behind the wall, I would have killed him first.


I mean why is molecule his fsvorite choice for a race? Other than it's a strong race, its the perfect race to play when u can see people through walls, bcos u can just pretend for a frsction of A second that u didnt see the enemy, have them initiate contact first whih is fine bcos u can evade and have a shield on....
How can molecule be my favorite race when I'm not even max level on it?



The first night when this fucker joined, I told Cyber that I was pretty sure he's been hacking - and he's been pulling all kind of BS through out his time here. There's plenty of people that have seen his BS on regular basis and just because we haven't banned him yet, doesn't mean that he wasn't hacking either. The ticks provided along with a lot of general BS moments in the demo are enough for me, but we'll see what Spasm and other ULA's will say.
So you're saying the first time you saw me play you were pretty sure I hacked, yet did nothing to post a report until yesterday when all your buddies are accusing me of hacking. And there are plenty of people who have seen me play on a regular basis and say I don't hack.

I just finished watching the rest of the demo after 85000, I saw some iffy stuff there myself, but you guys can watch it and judge for yourself.

Please watch the whole demo, check out the fights in normal speed and slow motion too.

Thanks,
Night

[Spasm]

I seen nothing really at all, I can explain every single tick provided.
9k - pretty much what brett said, hes covering his team, no clear signs
22k - he knows crimm went either up top or around back for sure because of teammates, teammates outside looking, hes going over to look outside and then he sees the AK, turns and shoots.
30.5k - another example similar to 9k covering his back and teammates back. agreeing with brett again
58k - clear sound of the window breaking, I really don't even know how this was confused for walls.
76k - Alot of you think this is fishy, I don't. The leg pops out before he fires, his aim is off but hes also just killed one guy and knows of for sure another guy near him in the stairs.

I vote unban as I don't see any clear evidence of walls or esp on the demo provided. Since brett already voted unban, I will unban him, closed.