Night STEAM_0:1:141165 16/10/12

[CYBER]

Attachment 6437Name : Night
Steam id : STEAM_0:1:141165
Banned by : Cyber.
Reason: walls/esp.
Link to ban: http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans...141165&Submit=


Demo: attached.
ticks i STRONGLY recommend watching the entire demo to see how he plays first.
SourceTV Demo: Attachment 6437

9000 turns off flashlight for no reason while waiting backwards? why? oh wait, someone came behind the wall... i guess he didnt want the other guy to see his flash.. since he knows already its not a vaga.


22k knows criminal is there. no excuse whatsoever to walk towards that place, and be facing HIM


30500 HACKS! he waits in spawn for TOO long, for no reason, bcos in wallhacks u can see a jack bhopping to spawn, he waits and thennnn :
31100 MOUSE TWITCH!! notice the hesitation to prefire?


58300 DEFINITE prefiring. i slowed it down to 1 fucking percent... he prefired.


76k shoots a guy through wall 2 seconds before he showed up. (it was the reason the guy came out in the first place) keep watching his shooting pattern while wireframe... notice how he is confused as fuck with 3 people walking in... couldnt tell who's still on screen and who isnt ?:P (im winging it here.)

There are more ticks down the list, but he became very aware bcos of theh players bitching... and i didnt get the chance to keep watching bcos my game just crashed and wont turn back on... So please ULAs , keep watching the last 10k ticks or whatever is left? thanks

edit: btw people STOP CALLING OUT HACKERS ON EACH FUCKIN SHOT! joke about it with non hackers, fine, but people we are already watching? come on! it doesnt help our work... u can see how steamr got pissed of people narrating the hacker when he was trying to watch after i called him in...

[Erdenay]

Finally.

[Spasm]

I want to watch this, dudes steam id is STEAM_0:1:141165. Thats extremely low. Going to work now though sadly.

[kenneth918237]

obvious lol

[SCRIBBLE]

got to 20k on my work computer and the game crashes every time.

9000 and 12000 he kills mailbox. Mailbox was not on radar at the time. It looks like walls but I'll have to look at it when I'm done with work.

[XX0wnsXY]

9000 is hard to explain. He did not directly trace him but did stop and wait for him (seemingly). Could have been a coincidence that someone was actually coming.

22k - may seem like he knew exactly where criminol was, however from what I gather, his teammates are going in that direction (if he's watching radar he can see that), and, he appears to be looking out of the window first, and you can just begin to see criminol, and that is when he reacts. He doesn't actually react before it is visible that criminol is in that spot.

30500 is another one that is hard to explain. Same instace, basically, as 9000. He turns around and waits. However, he may also just watch that spot a lot and gets lucky. i don't know. there is no direct trace so that's a hard call

cyber, at 58000 you can hear the glass being knifed. He heard that and reacted by prefiring. Nothing here.

76k he does shoot a guy through the wall. Looking objectively though, he is in a firefight and knows there are other players around (it's the spawn, that's a popular hide spot, there is a guy already by the steps..etc). There are a lot of circumstances in this one instance and you can look at it and say "Yes, he did shoot at another player through the wall, but also..this is what was going on and it could have been skill 'i.e..shooting a spot that people often hide', or it could have been lucky residual from the firefight..who knows.

at 83k omegakid calls him on hacks because "he came around the corner and shot him without even looking"..which was untrue. He took a second, paused and saw his face.

For some reason I can't watch past 85k ;(

yes there are some iffy moments and hard to explain, but nothing definitive enough for me to say that they are absolutely hacks and rather, a player with skill and knowledge of the map and others playstyles. I'm gonna vote no. What sucks is, that people called hacks blatantly, so that if he does happen to be unbanned and is smart, he'll stop.

[Erdenay]

9000 is hard to explain. He did not directly trace him but did stop and wait for him (seemingly). Could have been a coincidence that someone was actually coming.

22k - may seem like he knew exactly where criminol was, however from what I gather, his teammates are going in that direction (if he's watching radar he can see that), and, he appears to be looking out of the window first, and you can just begin to see criminol, and that is when he reacts. He doesn't actually react before it is visible that criminol is in that spot.

30500 is another one that is hard to explain. Same instace, basically, as 9000. He turns around and waits. However, he may also just watch that spot a lot and gets lucky. i don't know. there is no direct trace so that's a hard call

cyber, at 58000 you can hear the glass being knifed. He heard that and reacted by prefiring. Nothing here.

76k he does shoot a guy through the wall. Looking objectively though, he is in a firefight and knows there are other players around (it's the spawn, that's a popular hide spot, there is a guy already by the steps..etc). There are a lot of circumstances in this one instance and you can look at it and say "Yes, he did shoot at another player through the wall, but also..this is what was going on and it could have been skill 'i.e..shooting a spot that people often hide', or it could have been lucky residual from the firefight..who knows.

at 83k omegakid calls him on hacks because "he came around the corner and shot him without even looking"..which was untrue. He took a second, paused and saw his face.

For some reason I can't watch past 85k ;(

yes there are some iffy moments and hard to explain, but nothing definitive enough for me to say that they are absolutely hacks and rather, a player with skill and knowledge of the map and others playstyles. I'm gonna vote no. What sucks is, that people called hacks blatantly, so that if he does happen to be unbanned and is smart, he'll stop.

Few quick questions, if you don't mind:

Tick 22k - Criminol was not seen on any of the radars and there was no real good reason why to expect him to be there, yet Night assuredly moved towards him. Furthermore, check the demo and tell me if he ever checked that spot before or after that round? Yeah...

Tick 30k (and to lesser extend the 1st noted tick) - why does he never do that again through out the whole map and the only two times he stays at that awkward spot (along with the crosshair jerk) is when there suddenly are enemies coming?

Tick 58k - Meh, that seems a little convenient, but fine.

Tick 76k - Personally, I thought that this was the biggest BS tick through out the demo. I think he turns it off after this tick.

I really wish I'd have kept some other demos of his... *sigh*

[XX0wnsXY]

Few quick questions, if you don't mind:

Tick 22k - Criminol was not seen on any of the radars and there was no real good reason why to expect him to be there, yet Night assuredly moved towards him. Furthermore, check the demo and tell me if he ever checked that spot before or after that round? Yeah...

Tick 30k (and to lesser extend the 1st noted tick) - why does he never do that again through out the whole map and the only two times he stays at that awkward spot (along with the crosshair jerk) is when there suddenly are enemies coming?

Tick 58k - Meh, that seems a little convenient, but fine.

Tick 76k - Personally, I thought that this was the biggest BS tick through out the demo. I think he turns it off after this tick.

I really wish I'd have kept some other demos of his... *sigh*

22k, criminol may have not been on radar but his teammates were heading in that direction. I noticed that his teammates were there and even if he happened to wander over there, once he got there, he didn't immediately react. It appeared that he had intent to look outside of the window and in the snow, however saw criminol and reacted.

30k and the other one where he waits in spawn, like I said, are iffy. He does it twice and yes, enemies are near both times, but it's not a secret that players come that direction.

IMO 76K is the only tick that made me really question, however, I also considered the cirumstances (as explained in my old post).

My job as ULA is to watch a demo, try to debunk what I can (ghost hunters style) and think of ALL possible solutions (within reason) before screaming hacks, which is what I did. Watching the demo, I could not make a decision..which is why I voted no. If there is ANY doubt, i don't vote yes. Ban threads require more than one ULA for a reason..the right decision will be made and I'm not saying it will be yes or no..but it will be the right one.

[CYBER]

About 58k, u can hear sht, yes, but for 1 thing: i recall the glass being broken a few moments before he went there. Another thing is that there was a fight going on with a teammate of his at the left side, if anything the glass shatter was bystander dmg.

For tick 22k, the one with criminol, criminal was NOT on radar, i double checked all of them, and watched for audio; he couldnt have known that someone is there.

One thing about him u need to know is that he is trying to hide it by always looking AWAY from people hiding and then go 'oops! Someone was here??' ... I mean why is molecule his fsvorite choice for a race? Other than it's a strong race, its the perfect race to play when u can see people through walls, bcos u can just pretend for a frsction of A second that u didnt see the enemy, have them initiate contact first whih is fine bcos u can evade and have a shield on....

Another note is that at tick 22k, that was the ONLY time he ever went to check that spot, he passed by that sector a few more times in the mal, he never went there...

And the reason to go check that spot in the first place is beyond unexplainable! I get it if u went into the room above guns blazing, but to check behind that wall knowing that ur teammates got ur back from behind?
Meh... I still say bs.

As for 9k, his flashlight gets turned off in anticipation,


at 30k u can see a hesitation with a prefire... Notice that he stays there about 12 second before the enemy shows up, why the fuck would u do that and just wait here, leaving ur back open for 3 entry points on the stairs??

If u had esp, and going up the stairs, u can probably spot someone bhopping to the back of ur spawn: he was going UP THE STAIRS, then he completely stops suddenly and falls back and waits there for TWELVE seconds looking at nothing, his crosshair completely fixed there, but somehow 1 second before the guy pops around the corner his crosshair twitches in the same direction??

Obviously he was watching the guy with his eyes and the movement was a subconscious effect of a hand following eye motion, its a common slip in wallhackers....


And as for the omega thing, i stated it in game later that it was very legit, he saw him clear as day first. But thats the fucked up part, everyone started calling hacks on everyyhing, made it hard for us to watch... I still say hacks and more than conclusive actually.

The demo keeps crashing with me after that tick too... Even after i downloaded the map 3 different times... Anyone having better luck? ...

[XX0wnsXY]

Okay watching those ticks again..im going to retract my vote and vote yes...which I never do (Im stubborn and like to stick to my guns)..

However, Cyber, I didnt notice him turning his flashlight off in anticipation before, but watching it again, you're right.

Also, looking at tick 22k and slowing it down, I notice that he does aim his mouse toward the direction of Criminol.

and with 76k in addition (even with the circumstances)..

Ill vote yes and say that he must be really good at hiding it if it took this long to find any evidence that my be conclusive.

There you have it folks, I belted and changed my vote

inb4 PUSSY!