New command.

[thecat]

We need a new command that everyone can use.
We need a unstuck command for humans and zombies that just gets you unstuck and nothing else.
The command should look something like this: !unstuck.
What the command should do is teleport you up one meter.
The command should have a 10 sec wait time to prevent abuse.
The reason that we need this command is that on some ze maps you can get stuck in vehicles to the point that the slap command can not help you.
Ztele can not help you because it is a escape map.

[Steamer]

We had one a long time ago. Due to an update with how physics are handled, this is no longer easily possible. I'm sure Zero could think something up. IE: Calculate current position and teleport only a bit off. That would take time to code, time better spent elsewhere like WCS. Not to mention a plugin of this type could cause many problems.

[brett friggin favre]

it'll be abused way more than properly used. if it was to be implemented (haven't seen situations where it's needed myself), i'd say limit it to once per round.

edit: steamer, wasn't aware there used to be one. did it work as described by thecat or would it just bring you to the top of the surface you're stuck in (that's how i interpret yours)?

[Steamer]

it'll be abused way more than properly used. if it was to be implemented (haven't seen situations where it's needed myself), i'd say limit it to once per round.

edit: steamer, wasn't aware there used to be one. did it work as described by thecat or would it just bring you to the top of the surface you're stuck in (that's how i interpret yours)? It would bring you to the objects surface. It was part of c0ldfires original zmod in the es days. Zero had it limited, wasn't really abused then and very handy.

[brett friggin favre]

It would bring you to the objects surface. It was part of c0ldfires original zmod in the es days. Zero had it limited, wasn't really abused then and very handy.

makes a lot more sense to work that way than teleporting you up 1m. i can definitely see how that could be helpful, and difficult to abuse. could also be handy in zm (people getting stuck in objects) but i wouldnt be the right man to comment correctly on that.

[phil.™]

We need a new command that everyone can use.
We need a unstuck command for humans and zombies that just gets you unstuck and nothing else.
The command should look something like this: !unstuck.
What the command should do is teleport you up one meter.
The command should have a 10 sec wait time to prevent abuse.
The reason that we need this command is that on some ze maps you can get stuck in vehicles to the point that the slap command can not help you.
Ztele can not help you because it is a escape map.

maybe one of the better threads you have started. But as steamer said, because of the physics, yes it might be difficult to execute, but ZERO might have something up his sleeves. Another great issue that brett brings up, it could be abused to someone "escape" being tagged as a zombie (could be a controversy during a slay/kick or ban). But if it only brings them up to a certain extent to get out of the stuck situation (like out of the stuck cade or item), it could help out a lot in ze and zm maps.

not a bad thread cat. not a bad thread. let's see where this leads.

[Chef C Green]

I see what you're saying about the map objects (boats, cars, etc) and how it can force players into surfaces, and it would help. But wont this affect the zm gameplay with using !unstuck to escape from soda machines or other props that people use to hold zombies? While ztele does allow them to escape, it's at the cost of running back to that cade, which levels the playing field. Whether it be used to teleport up 1m or just to the surface, it's something worth looking into thoroughly before implementing.

For now, players should be learning from their mistakes, noting not to stand right in front of a vehicle for just this reason. If you want a command for fixing the issue, I recommend it be admin accessible only. Less chance for abuse, and still gets the job done as every player will bring up the issue when it happens. As for when admins are not online; we have a pretty good flow of admin activity, and players need to learn sooner or later.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I see what you're saying about the map objects (boats, cars, etc) and how it can force players into surfaces, and it would help. But wont this affect the zm gameplay with using !unstuck to escape from soda machines or other props that people use to hold zombies? While ztele does allow them to escape, it's at the cost of running back to that cade, which levels the playing field. Whether it be used to teleport up 1m or just to the surface, it's something worth looking into thoroughly before implementing.

For now, players should be learning from their mistakes, noting not to stand right in front of a vehicle for just this reason. If you want a command for fixing the issue, I recommend it be admin accessible only. Less chance for abuse, and still gets the job done as every player will bring up the issue when it happens. As for when admins are not online; we have a pretty good flow of admin activity, and players need to learn sooner or later.

this. say i pull a cade piece on top of me, or humans get me stuck inside their cade. i hit one button and boom! i'm on top of their cade, most likely killing them. good idea, but extremely difficult to balance. MAYBE if it were restricted to shitty maps (ze) it would be workable. maybe. still, it's definately something zero should look into.

[Bane of Soldiers]

this. say i pull a cade piece on top of me, or humans get me stuck inside their cade. i hit one button and boom! i'm on top of their cade, most likely killing them.

Yup, this was what I was worried about.


Such a command can be useful, but I support the processes of natural selection. Letting things alone could promote player awareness, hierarchy establishment/leader models, and movement efficiency.

[ZERO]

Using the methods from wcs to prevent sticking it could work but only for maps where no block is on.

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It would need to come after the reprogram of human as I will be creating a final set of functions to deal with teleportation checking and stuck prevention to use as stocks.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Using the methods from wcs to prevent sticking it could work but only for maps where no block is on.

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It would need to come after the reprogram of human as I will be creating a final set of functions to deal with teleportation checking and stuck prevention to use as stocks.

that's not going to do anything to help the issue. if i pull a cade onto myself as a zombie, or i'm getting in but the humans shoot a prop into me, i hit a single key and i'm on top of the prop/cade just like that? absolutely not. there is no way for you to code this to prevent things like that, unless you made it check to see if there were anybody on the opposite team within a certain radius of you.

[kenneth918237]

the !unstuck command will leed to problems like when zombies are stuck in vending machine then can just type !unstuck and tele in to the cade seen that happen in other servers.
the !ztele is just fine you dont get stuck that much on escape maps there only like 3 of them and we like never play them

[thecat]

This would just be for ze only, zm does not need it because humans have these things called guns.
On some ze maps there is a 50 50% chance that you will get stuck it some vehicles, so its not like people are jumping under or in front of these vehicles.
As I said earlier there will be a 10 sec cool down time to prevent abuse.
EDIT: Also voodoo island and ze ice hold should not have this feature because cadeing is a core part of the gameplay in those maps.
EDIT: Also being teleported to the top of the substance that you are trapped in is definitely a better idea than what I have come up with.

[brett friggin favre]

Using the methods from wcs to prevent sticking it could work but only for maps where no block is on.


this means not zm maps for those concerned about zombies going on top of cades.

[Steamer]

Always, Zero to the mother fucking rescue. :icon_mrgreen: The way c0ldfires original method worked was as follows.... The command would bring you to the surface of the object relative to the distance it was stuck on you, and only from the position you pulled it into you or it was moved into you. Hence, you couldn't abuse it, it would actually screw you over if you tried. Would this stop "fishing"? Yes. Back then we played normal and we were all awesome and didn't have to rely on "fishing" to improve our ranks(You would of course get the occasional noob or tard though.), nor did we care much about it. If you played normal and were awesome, you would be on top anyhow, even above fuckfaces actually trying to "manipulate" rank. Just think about that... You may just get a clue on how degraded the general pop in that server has become.

[Chef C Green]

Would this stop "fishing"? Yes. Back then we played normal and we were all awesome and didn't have to rely on "fishing" to improve our ranks

Honestly I can't even remember when we had the command (earliest I played was 2010?). I'm sure no one needs fishing to improve rank, but it will still impact the game play. Now we get to sit in cades that will no longer require adjustments to fish, which in my opinion would be less work and more boring from the human perspective. Unless of course zombies are able to manipulate props a little easier from this; which I doubt as you still apply the same physics?

Why did we end up removing the function in the first place, if it was such a useful command?

[Bane of Soldiers]

Why did we end up removing the function in the first place, if it was such a useful command?

Steamer said it was a physics update that done it broke. That time was certainly way before I first joined. I remember back in my noob days, it took me about an hour to make the adjustment from !zstuck to !ztele; that was early '10.

[Omegxkid]

Well i must say TheCat this is the best idea I have seen you drop in some time bro, this would help a good sum when we have tones of people on ZE maps like elevator_escape when people get stuck in the elevator some times haha, better then having to !ztele into a hellfire fight and pray u can make it back up before all is doomed... same with indiana_jones at the water area people get stuck in the rocks there from time to time so this would be a good thing for that also. BTW zero i dont know if you keep up but there is going to be another physics update in april so if you are going to do this i would bust a move or wait till then.

[Meltdown]

Wow out of his 500 post he makes one good post and everyone is going to pat him on the head, what is this the kinder garden.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Wow out of his 500 post he makes one good post and everyone is going to pat him on the head, what is this the kinder garden.

we're giving him credit where it is due.

[thecat]

Wow out of his 500 post he makes one good post and everyone is going to pat him on the head, what is this the kinder garden.
1. 500 posts?
2. I have made good posts before this so stop trying to steal credit.
3. About 1/5 of my posts are not retarded so please just fuck off.

[Meltdown]

1. 500 posts?
2. I have made good posts before this so stop trying to steal credit.
3. About 1/5 of my posts are not retarded so please just fuck off.

I don't want your credits. your just a retard end of story.

[thecat]

I don't want your credits. your just a retard end of story.
GO Away meltdown and stop being a retard.

[What]

1. 500 posts?
2. I have made good posts before this so stop trying to steal credit.
3. About 1/5 of my posts are not retarded so please just fuck off.

I like how he admitted that at least 80% of his posts are completely stupid. Though I would expect that number to be higher.

[brett friggin favre]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/208801

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I like how he admitted that at least 80% of his posts are completely stupid. Though I would expect that number to be higher.

what if we assume that that post is NOT within the 20%? does that invalidate the entire thing? but if it's all invalidated it's no longer part of the 20%, and thus he's an idiot.

[Chef C Green]

Of the previous 8 posts (9 including mine...), none have been relevant to the thread's topic. We all know we could pick apart each-other's posts until the end of time, coming up with witty retorts to show one-another's ignorance. But the fact of the matter is that after reading all these posts, we're still no closer to solving the issue at hand. If you want to say something about a player - whether it be recognition or belittlement - send it via PM, or add it subtly in your relevant posts. Thanks

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[thecat]

what if we assume that that post is NOT within the 20%? does that invalidate the entire thing? but if it's all invalidated it's no longer part of the 20%, and thus he's an idiot.
One quick clarification about 60-70% present of that 80% was part of a flame war.
Flame wars are retarded and pointless and I wish I never took part in them.
EDIT: Last thing if I say that 1/5 of my posts are not retarded I am not saying that 80% present of my posts are retarded just that they are not that good.
EDIT: They could be useless and stupid but not outright retarded.

[Locust]

One quick clarification about 60-70% present of that 80% was part of a flame war.
Flame wars are retarded and pointless and I wish I never took part in them.
EDIT: Last thing if I say that 1/5 of my posts are not retarded I am not saying that 80% present of my posts are retarded just that they are not that good.
EDIT: They could be useless and stupid but not outright retarded.
someone should really take your shovel away. you just keep digging that hole

[Steamer]

Point taken, was a good one, was a feature in another form in the past. Zero said he would check into it in the future after dealing with more preceding matters. When he gets around to it, I'm sure it well be discussed. I'm pretty sure we are done here. All this other BS is completely unnecessary, even if cat is annoying and posts irrelevant blatantly idiotic posts at times.