Omegxkid<Ibis.A> admin abuse

[RofLoLmao]

Admin ingame name: Omegxkid<Ibis.A>
My ingame name: RofLoLmao
Server: ZMod
Map: castle_redemption and zm_dessert_fortress
Date and Time: Friday May 10th around 00:11:00 2013 and Saturday May 11th around 18:57:04 2013
How did he/she abuse: Well on Friday just a tad bit earlier this admin slayed four players including me without any warning and for no reason. We were not in illegal cades or anything on castle_redemption map. The other players were in the vent and I was in the cade area with fence with the vending machine. Today, on the dessert fortress map I was banned automically for 30 mins because I think I made an illegal cade which someone can verify but that does not warrant a ban. I was not warned with typing and I have voice_enable 0 on so if he was trying to communicate through the mic I would not have heard. Either way, no warning, kick, then ban.

Proof: Well I forgot how to show the exact source TV on the incidents but I have screenshots. 73937394

[brett friggin favre]

there's no context for those screens to fit into. you need to upload the demo. http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/6434-Links-to-Demos

p.s.: i think you've been around the block plenty enough times to not need warnings.

[phil.™]

thank you SOOO much for providing demo's it makes it SO much easier for clan to make the abuse decision. thank you SO much for uploading the demo's. but i had the time to look up the demo's, and go through the whole damn map for it.

so here's my insight on the slay/ban

castle_redemption:
I cannot find where in the threads, but I believe it is illegal to cade the vents while in the red room (while the door is closed) and this is because the vending machine in the vent makes it 100% impossible to get humans (or maybe it is an unwritten rule by 3 or more of admins, and has never been added? and just kept going on?). now at the time, there were only 3 people in the vent, and someone closed the door. this is technically not illegal in my opinion, because you can have a good 2-3 deformed back to back going into the vent, and getting the humans, making it not impossible to get. the slay was not unnecessary in my opinion.
*unless i missed somewhere in the threads where the door cannot be closed when there are humans in the vents.

here are the ticks for this map for the slay
109,000 - omega saying open the door, do not close it when the vent is trapped off (note only humans were in the vents, no cade prop)
110,000 - slay for 4 people.

--- next map ---

desert_fortress_v2
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/5877-ZM_DESERT_FORTRESS-(Chain-fence-room)
it is illegal to cade this room with both props, since they are both crouch spots, and the way it is set up in the forums, and the way you set it up, it's almost the same setup, just different positioning.

start of this map, omega does tell everyone "do not cade both crouch spot room" (although rofl joins later in the game)
45,000 - he is in the single room, completely good cade until pieguy fucks his shit up.
47,000 is where he goes into the double crouch spot, and then starts to cade both crouch spots.

he was not initially warned because he just joined, but since he has been in here for a while, and has previous ban records, and has been in the forums more than couple of times, he should know the crouch-cade rule spots.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=STEAM_0:0:3342259&advType=steamid

with this said, the only abuse i see in my opinion is castle redemption map, but this is only if i missed somewhere in the forums where they cannot close the doors while humans are in the vents.

[Bane of Soldiers]

thank you SOOO much for providing demo's it makes it SO much easier for clan to make the abuse decision. thank you SO much for uploading the demo's. but i had the time to look up the demo's, and go through the whole damn map for it.

so here's my insight on the slay/ban

castle_redemption:
I cannot find where in the threads, but I believe it is illegal to cade the vents while in the red room (while the door is closed) and this is because the vending machine in the vent makes it 100% impossible to get humans (or maybe it is an unwritten rule by 3 or more of admins, and has never been added? and just kept going on?). now at the time, there were only 3 people in the vent, and someone closed the door. this is technically not illegal in my opinion, because you can have a good 2-3 deformed back to back going into the vent, and getting the humans, making it not impossible to get. the slay was not unnecessary in my opinion.
*unless i missed somewhere in the threads where the door cannot be closed when there are humans in the vents.

here are the ticks for this map for the slay
109,000 - omega saying open the door, do not close it when the vent is trapped off (note only humans were in the vents, no cade prop)
110,000 - slay for 4 people.

--- next map ---

desert_fortress_v2
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/5877-ZM_DESERT_FORTRESS-(Chain-fence-room)
it is illegal to cade this room with both props, since they are both crouch spots, and the way it is set up in the forums, and the way you set it up, it's almost the same setup, just different positioning.

start of this map, omega does tell everyone "do not cade both crouch spot room" (although rofl joins later in the game)
45,000 - he is in the single room, completely good cade until pieguy fucks his shit up.
47,000 is where he goes into the double crouch spot, and then starts to cade both crouch spots.

he was not initially warned because he just joined, but since he has been in here for a while, and has previous ban records, and has been in the forums more than couple of times, he should know the crouch-cade rule spots.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=STEAM_0:0:3342259&advType=steamid

with this said, the only abuse i see in my opinion is castle redemption map, but this is only if i missed somewhere in the forums where they cannot close the doors while humans are in the vents.

Think about it. Since the door can only be opened from within, closing the door effectively reduces the number of the room's entrances to one: the vent. To be concise, I won't delineate on the specific vent rules. Everyone here knows them. The only situation when closing that door is illegal is if the vent is barricaded.


Just because there's a special door around doesn't change the fact that this vent is
1) A viable entrance for zombies.
2) Unbarricaded.
Thus, on castle redemption, Rofl is in the green and Omega the red.

[phil.™]

Think about it. Since the door can only be opened from within, closing the door effectively reduces the number of the room's entrances to one: the vent. To be concise, I won't delineate on the specific vent rules. Everyone here knows them. The only situation when closing that door is illegal is if the vent is barricaded.


Just because there's a special door around doesn't change the fact that this vent is
1) A viable entrance for zombies.
2) Unbarricaded.
Thus, on castle redemption, Rofl is in the green and Omega the red.

true, but if top zombies, and they have to do a zombie train, or atleast 2-3 deformed zombies, it's easy to get through no?
I'm not fighting anyone against these rules or anything. if i am wrong on this, i learn from this. and again, this is just primarily my opinion.

bane, if it was you, me anex, and 1 more top players we could get 5-6 players in the vents with the door closed no? It just takes teamwork, and knowing what you are doing.
but like i said, i'm not fighting this thread. i just posted my opinion, and the demo's so clan doesnt have to research this shit.

[Bane of Soldiers]

true, but if top zombies, and they have to do a zombie train, or atleast 2-3 deformed zombies, it's easy to get through no?
I'm not fighting anyone against these rules or anything. if i am wrong on this, i learn from this. and again, this is just primarily my opinion.

bane, if it was you, me anex, and 1 more top players we could get 5-6 players in the vents with the door closed no? It just takes teamwork, and knowing what you are doing.
but like i said, i'm not fighting this thread. i just posted my opinion, and the demo's so clan doesnt have to research this shit.

Hmm, I think you're taking my input the wrong way. I was hoping to clarify what sounded like speculation on your part. I guess I'm confirming your opinion too.

My goal was to simply caution others against treating this case specially because of some fancy door. I too, am trying to get this case along faster. So rather than "technically not illegal" it is "not illegal"

[jimmay]

Only two people are allowed per vent opening. In castle_redemption I interpret this to mean if the door is closed then a max of two people are allowed in the vent. Closing the door effectively reduces the number of vent openings to one. If my interpretation is correct then one of those three people in the vent needed to fall back into the room or otherwise GTFO. Either way, I don't see where Rofl was at fault.

[phil.™]

Hmm, I think you're taking my input the wrong way. I was hoping to clarify what sounded like speculation on your part. I guess I'm confirming your opinion too.

My goal was to simply caution others against treating this case specially because of some fancy door. I too, am trying to get this case along faster. So rather than "technically not illegal" it is "not illegal"

oh sorry, had more to drink after i wrote this hahaha.

[brett friggin favre]

can't speak on the first ruling, i don't do enough zm. however, i can say for the 2nd, in the room that roflol caded there were only 2 entrances. both entrances were crouch spots. from the rules directly:

Barricading - Regarding illegal barricading / God items

Barricading all entrances to a crouched spot.

now...i'll ignore any map-specific rules that may exist as i don't have enough knowledge on them either, and i can say this: if there's no rule against it, an admin saying it doesn't make it one.

the rule states that barricading all entrances to a crouched spot is illegal. personally, i take this to mean that the barricade by roflol was illegal. i think the rule mainly outlines vents, which are definitely "crouched" spots, but i also think it applies here even though the occupants don't have to be crouched once inside. the point is, i believe, that you can't barricade both entrances to any area that can only be entered by crouching. what i just said might sound really dumb and obvious but i'm trying to be very specific about this. in this case, roflol was in the wrong it seems.

if others agree on that, then ban length becomes an issue. roflol was permabanned. i also remember watching him a while back and seeing him block people intentionally. i'm obviously not the one who makes a call in this case, but i wanted to present that info.

[Bane of Soldiers]

Only two people are allowed per vent opening. In castle_redemption I interpret this to mean if the door is closed then a max of two people are allowed in the vent. Closing the door effectively reduces the number of vent openings to one. If my interpretation is correct then one of those three people in the vent needed to fall back into the room or otherwise GTFO. Either way, I don't see where Rofl was at fault.

Hmm, I didn't think about that. Particularly because I thought that rule was defunct from the start and was treated as such. But yes, Rofl shouldn't be at fault.


the rule states that barricading all entrances to a crouched spot is illegal. personally, i take this to mean that the barricade by roflol was illegal. i think the rule mainly outlines vents, which are definitely "crouched" spots, but i also think it applies here even though the occupants don't have to be crouched once inside. the point is, i believe, that you can't barricade both entrances to any area that can only be entered by crouching. what i just said might sound really dumb and obvious but i'm trying to be very specific about this. in this case, roflol was in the wrong it seems.
If this says what I think it is saying, you are correct lol.



if others agree on that, then ban length becomes an issue. roflol was permabanned. i also remember watching him a while back and seeing him block people intentionally. i'm obviously not the one who makes a call in this case, but i wanted to present that info.
If you could direct me to a demo. Personally, I would disagree with an excessive ban because spotless behavior (with the exception of exploitative behavior) wasn't part of his unban conditions. Heavier than others due to history and experience, but even then... is this something to slam a hammer on? I would say yes if it had blatantly persisted. Otherwise, slaying and kicking sounds good

[brett friggin favre]

i'd post a demo but you wouldn't be able to watch it. not sure if i could find it anyway.

point is, he sure as hell knows the rules. shouldnt need warnings. and he was previously unbanned by zero, so only zero really knows if it was a "last chance" sort of thing or not/.

[RofLoLmao]

thank you SOOO much for providing demo's it makes it SO much easier for clan to make the abuse decision. thank you SO much for uploading the demo's. but i had the time to look up the demo's, and go through the whole damn map for it.

so here's my insight on the slay/ban

castle_redemption:
I cannot find where in the threads, but I believe it is illegal to cade the vents while in the red room (while the door is closed) and this is because the vending machine in the vent makes it 100% impossible to get humans (or maybe it is an unwritten rule by 3 or more of admins, and has never been added? and just kept going on?). now at the time, there were only 3 people in the vent, and someone closed the door. this is technically not illegal in my opinion, because you can have a good 2-3 deformed back to back going into the vent, and getting the humans, making it not impossible to get. the slay was not unnecessary in my opinion.
*unless i missed somewhere in the threads where the door cannot be closed when there are humans in the vents.

here are the ticks for this map for the slay
109,000 - omega saying open the door, do not close it when the vent is trapped off (note only humans were in the vents, no cade prop)
110,000 - slay for 4 people.

--- next map ---

desert_fortress_v2
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/5877-ZM_DESERT_FORTRESS-(Chain-fence-room)
it is illegal to cade this room with both props, since they are both crouch spots, and the way it is set up in the forums, and the way you set it up, it's almost the same setup, just different positioning.

start of this map, omega does tell everyone "do not cade both crouch spot room" (although rofl joins later in the game)
45,000 - he is in the single room, completely good cade until pieguy fucks his shit up.
47,000 is where he goes into the double crouch spot, and then starts to cade both crouch spots.

he was not initially warned because he just joined, but since he has been in here for a while, and has previous ban records, and has been in the forums more than couple of times, he should know the crouch-cade rule spots.
http://www.ibisgaming.com/sourcebans/index.php?p=banlist&advSearch=STEAM_0:0:3342259&advType=steamid

with this said, the only abuse i see in my opinion is castle redemption map, but this is only if i missed somewhere in the forums where they cannot close the doors while humans are in the vents.

Thank you phil. The thing is all I wanted was prior warning but I honestly did not know you couldnt cade both spots on dessert fortress because I've seen so many people do it in the past without any punishment. Other than that, the ban is over, but it still seems out of line since it is warn/slay/kick/ban right? Also, what about the slaying on castle redemption?

[Omegxkid]

v2.1 aNex
Two Per Vent Opening - Only two people allowed per opening. Two opening means Four people are allowed.


So in the sum of the castle map i tell everyone more then 2-5 times if you block the vent and more then 2 people are in the vent/tube you must have the door open inorder for more then 2 people to be in the vent/tube this is a rule on any map, i asked them more then 3 times on that map to respect this rule I also gave them time to go ahead and open the door and they did not (one of the people even walked up to the door looked and ran back to the vent, Anex and Zero both implamented the 2 per vent/tube per side that is open to keep people from overclustering tubes or vents on any map. With the door being closed even tho the vent has 2 sides zombies can only get to one side there for the door must be open to fallow the rule listed above.


Rofl was slayed just yesterday for cading crouch more then one time this is also not his first time being banned when asked to do something as In the demo u can see i told them with typing and out loud (Do not cade both crouchs in that room) this guy has been breaking the rules almost every time he is on our server when no one is on, I have had more then 2 complants about him !zteleing cade breaking so on, this time I got him.

[RofLoLmao]

v2.1 aNex
Two Per Vent Opening - Only two people allowed per opening. Two opening means Four people are allowed.


So in the sum of the castle map i tell everyone more then 2-5 times if you block the vent and more then 2 people are in the vent/tube you must have the door open inorder for more then 2 people to be in the vent/tube this is a rule on any map, i asked them more then 3 times on that map to respect this rule I also gave them time to go ahead and open the door and they did not (one of the people even walked up to the door looked and ran back to the vent, Anex and Zero both implamented the 2 per vent/tube per side that is open to keep people from overclustering tubes or vents on any map. With the door being closed even tho the vent has 2 sides zombies can only get to one side there for the door must be open to fallow the rule listed above.


Rofl was slayed just yesterday for cading crouch more then one time this is also not his first time being banned when asked to do something as In the demo u can see i told them with typing and out loud (Do not cade both crouchs in that room) this guy has been breaking the rules almost every time he is on our server when no one is on, I have had more then 2 complants about him !zteleing cade breaking so on, this time I got him.

First what warning was I given on either maps? Second on castle_redemption I was slayed for no reason did you forget that? Third my first cade on dessert fortress was perfectly legal until someone broke my cade resulting in me having to make a new cade which now I know is illegal, but you did not notice cade breaking did you?

[brett friggin favre]

y'know what this is? this is zm bitching. this is all over a 30 minute ban and a slay, and all because that server is so full of whiners and assholes that you guys need 901974019724 rules to try to keep the place in order. roflol, you have a question on rules? add omega on steam and chat it out, ask anex, ask zero, ask someone who knows...don't post abuse right away. this shit gets confusing, mistakes will be made but it doesn't mean abuse. in this case even if omega's in the wrong, it's rather obvious why: the rules are jumbled and confusing as fuck.

now i'm done posting here and i'll advise everyone else to be as well, clan makes the final call on these claims as well as rules disputes so they're the only ones who need to post now.

[fabisensee]

RofLoLmao,

first of all I would like to apologize myself for further grammar failure ... English is not my native language.

Yesterday I was also a victime of Omegxkid power abuse and got banned for 1 day.

He came into the room and not a minute later started screaming about an "illegal" cade 3 people and I have built in the map ZE_Voodoo_Island. The cade was not illegal because people could come in and out as they pleased; If we were indeed blocking a crouch spot, we all wouldn't be able to go inside...
Omegxkid demanded that we got rid of the thing that was "blocking" the spot ... Trying to make the kid less enraged we got rid of the thing, although it was not blocking nobody ... then he said something about he was not in a good mood and we should not push him, otherwise we would see his Raging Punishment. I cant remember the exacly words, but it sounded something like "you better do as I please, otherwise I'll @#$% you Up!", although NO bad language was used.

By the time we all had to leave the place and run to the next and final part of map, I ran shooting 3 or 4 of the 7 bullets in my desert eagle into the zombies that were still inside the cage. I could not shoot all the 7 bullets because I was more interested on running to next par. As I teleported to next map he yelled that shooting the caged zombies was illegal, and BAM! faster that I could do anything, he slayed me ... I got so mad at him because he didn't give me any warnning and just punished as he said he would do to anybody that did something wrong, that I said something rude to him. I felt so powerless because there was nothing I could do to undo his power abuse that I cursed him once... He seemed just like a bad cop that would just slap you for doing something wrong, instead of instructing you not to do it again... Unfornatully, I "gave" him a reason to ban me as I cursed him because of his abuse of power...

I got so mad I left the room and only found out about the banning today ... Couldnt stand playing in the same room with the guy.

So RofLoLmao, the lessons to learn here are:
1 - Admins are also people, and they will sometimes take their own problems into the game and take their anger out on the players... Make sure to avoid them on those days !!!
2 - If the admin wants to ban you, he WILL find his way to do so!!! In my case, he killed me and then lured me to say something bad, giving him just the evidence he needed to Ban me...
3 - Be glad you were banned for only 30 minutes!!! I got banned for 1 day ... First I was angry, but now I feel blessed because I saw that an awesome player named ".,.", that in fact I respect, was banned for 1 week .... Probably confronted Omegxkid or did the slightest mistake; I cant tell because there was no Reason written why he got banned.
4? - I cant tell yet if this is a leasson to learn: If you don't see me on-line anymore and find out that I got banned for speaking the truth here on the forum, you should be more carefull writing stuff on the forum than I was ><

[Patmonster]

4? - I cant tell yet if this is a leasson to learn: If you don't see me on-line anymore and find out that I got banned for speaking the truth here on the forum, you should be more carefull writing stuff on the forum than I was ><

You won't be punished for speaking your mind on the forums, now if you have any scrap of proof (Demo? Screen Shot?) that would help your case and make you look a little better, though.

[fabisensee]

You won't be punished for speaking your mind on the forums, now if you have any scrap of proof (Demo? Screen Shot?) that would help your case and make you look a little better, though.

I'm not trying to get any help on my case ... I was just telling my story to RofLoLmao so he could also learn from it.
Keep calm and avoid being banned ... Remember that only common players fall

[Bane of Soldiers]

For future reference, fabisensee, please avoid posting in admin abuse threads if you are not contributing, i.e. providing demos, explaining rules, summarizing demos, etc. Bystander accounts and other unrelated inputs that are not backed by proof (such as demos) are unwanted and considered clutter (like this paragraph), and should go into a separate thread anyway. For the future, please consider using the private messaging system on these forums or personally adding the person on STEAM and talking to him/her there.


On to more important matters... correct me if I'm wrong, much older ZM players, but did we not do away with "2/vent opening" because enforcement became ridiculous? Besides that, I always had the impression that the rule was to protect humans from overflow -- not a balancing mechanism to aid zombies. So if the occupants in the vent are cool with more than two, as would be the case in longer vents such as castle redemption's, there was no problem. I liken it much t

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

For future reference, fabisensee, please avoid posting in admin abuse threads if you are not contributing, i.e. providing demos, explaining rules, summarizing demos, etc. Bystander accounts and other unrelated inputs that are not backed by proof (such as demos) are unwanted and considered clutter (like this paragraph), and should go into a separate thread anyway. For the future, please consider using the private messaging system on these forums or personally adding the person on STEAM and talking to him/her there.


On to more important matters... correct me if I'm wrong, much older ZM players, but did we not do away with "2/vent opening" because enforcement became ridiculous? Besides that, I always had the impression that the rule was to protect humans from overflow -- not a balancing mechanism to aid zombies. So if the occupants in the vent are cool with more than two, as would be the case in longer vents such as castle redemption's, there was no problem. I liken it much t

To my knowledge, it was never rid with and it was a balancing thing. A tube/vent with 5 players using M249's or auto shottys always beat zombies (provided there was at least one non fail player in the tube/vent.)