2013, A Space Mafia

[Chikun]

why don't we see if blade will tell us.


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zing.

Got me good on that.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

why don't we see if blade will tell us.


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zing.

if we're allowed to claim false mod actions, then this game just got a lot more interesting.

[brett friggin favre]

well in his message, nem also said you're Terry, Mafia Cocksucker.

WHAT SAY YOU?

[Nemesis]

why don't we see if blade will tell us.


Be nice.

[brett friggin favre]

for those who don't get my point, yes i believe we can do things like that, but can't quote or fake-quote mods. paraphrasing, and by transference fake paraphrasing, should be fine.

[Nemesis]

For confirmation on a rule. You cannot use the "[QUOTE=Cyber's Mother=2133454}I enjoy penis!{/QUOTE]" action for a mod. If I send you a message saying, "Banana's are yummy." You can come in here and say "Nemesis told me that banana's are yummy." But you cannot use the quote tool for a mod msg.

Clear for everyone?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

haha, fair enough brett.

game on.

[Sin]

Let's get a screenshot, plz.

[brett friggin favre]

here's your screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/8xiJSIy.jpg

that would obviously be illegal as well.

[CYBER]

Ok.

@aco:

I basically send nemesis a name of a player (Brett), and he sends brett a message confirming me as a townie. Clearly brett got it.
This basically links my faith to brett's.
If a cop investigates brett (or brett dies), and he's townie, then that immediately confirms me as a townie for the rest of the game so that you guys know if i have gd intentions or not.

@masskid the firefighter
If you are the firefighter, thank you for confirming my claim about an arson in game, but you probably shouldn't have claimed that fast man... You basically put a deadline on your game existence till tomorrow night at the latest if the arson wants you killed

You probably arent a mafia target yet because they'd probably want you around to protect everyone from the arson, but you are on the arson's radar now, and we need to find him.
Assuming that the arson is reading this, you're probably gonna doused tonight along with me. so that he burns you tomorrow night along with me.
What I suggest tonight is that if you are the firefighter, protect me tonight in case the arson decides to just burn me.
In the event that he decides to douse someone else, it will definitely be YOU because he wants the firefighter killed. In which event, TOMORROW night, he will burn both you and me. At that point? I will gladly accept being a casualty and ask you to protect yourself TOMORROW NIGHT ( in case he ignites, thereby protecting yourself from a burn).
All I ask is for you to have my back today.
I'm a confirmed townie by brett, and today I will also confirm with another player tonight, and my credibility will finally be unquestioned.

@chikun,
I honestly don't know if u're the arson as Sin claims or not, but what I do know is that at least you're a smart guy and can see that I have no reason to lie about an arson because that would be a very bold claim early in game when i have no reason to lie...


@sin, feel free to call it butt-play, but bottom line is: I provided a shitton of info about day 2. Only the firefighter knew that there was an arson in game, by telling everyone that i was doused, i did my part in pointing out there exists an arson in game without the cop or firefighter claiming it and putting themselves on the line... I'm still waiting for you to understand that the arson is a problem right now, and he needs to be found.
Sin, another issue that bugs me is the fact that Blackmage's role is hidden... I'm still waiting for some capital information on what his role was... I actually thought someone would come up and give us some capital intel on what his role was... but the more that this is being ignored, the more likely I start to think that there's either a janitor in game not willing to share his findings, or blackmage's death was caused by a role or modifier that the mod doesn't want announced yet... So again, I'm not the issue now, the arson is...

@mikey,
I gave you the benefit of the doubt of just being stupid, but apparently you don't seem to wanna listen to me.
I gave you guys intel that there's an arson in game, and that someone will confirm that I'm a townie. Instead of doing anything about the intel I gave you, you instead went on to oppose what I'm saying with jargon that doesn't even make sense... and you even went on to get the cop out claiming so that he'd be a sitting duck. Even after I pointed out that its a VERY VERY VERY bad idea, you STILL insist on having the cop claim??? are you serious? Either you don't know what you're asking, or you actually WANT the cop claiming fast with a false sense of security so you can have him killed fast...

@brett,
thanks for confirming me. To be honest, I can tell if you're helping just because you're a townie helping, or because you're a baddie trying to hide in my shadow...
All I can say is that IF THERES A COP AROUND, I hope he investigates you tonight so that he'd clear both of us... and even masskid.


@cop: dnt be a moron and dnt claim like mikey says. its a bad move
@firefighter: protect me tonight, and the arson (if not found) will just douse you tonight bcos he'd know theres no point of burning me while im protected, then protect YOURSELF the next night so that the arson doesn't burn us both... only I would die, but you would live.

@roleblocker: keep track of who u're blocking.
@anyone who gets doused: immediately mention it so that we know if the arson got blocked!

@EVERYONE READ THIS:
I am claiming to be a gd guy, Brett CONFIRMED me.
I also claimed that we have an arson and a firefighter, and masskid CONFIRMED my claim by claiming firefighter.

My suggestion; If there's a firefighter that ISNT masskid, he would have counter claimed by now because that would not just mean that masskid is a mafia, but that ME, BRETT AND MASSKID are mafia, and that would be a GG for the mafia side. isnt it? 1 townie for 3 mafia members? that seems quite like a reasonable tradeoff.
And if masskid is the arson, then putting himself on the radar for no reason (it's not like we asked his help) is a dumb move, so i'm sure masskid ISNT the arson.

But like i said, there's yet to be a counter claim on firefighter, and this just proves even MORE than everything I have said so far is true, and that Im trying to give town a chance before I get burned tomorrow night (asssuming firefighter saves me tonight).

Dear town, if brett is town, then that means all 3 of us are innocents.
The suspects for arsonist at the moment are :
Mikey, chikun, shadow, and Scribble.

Since arson is the 3rd party, then this brings me back to my "early sign ons" theory earlier, and puts Shadow on my radar since he's been really inactive... And i might consider him for a policy lynch.

But the only THREAT to town I see currently ? It's Mikey. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that he just doesn't know what he's doing (much like every game he played), so he's either a liability because he almost got 3 people deadlocked (cop, firefighter and doc protecting cop who claims) for no fucking reason... and even after i pointed out that its WRONG, he insisted on it...

As such, I strongly believe Mikey is either a liability to town, or the arsonist/mafia trying to deflect by keeping the pressure on my claim instead of on his crappy suggestion of having the power roles claim immediately.
Seing as he asked the doctor to protect the cop if he claims, that makes me assume he's NOT a mafia member, but instead I strongly believe he might be the arsonist trying to lure the cop out by giving him a false sense of security... especially after the firefighter already claimed, hence him getting rid of everyone who can identify him by getting the cop to claim.

With that reasoning, Mikey should be lynched today to remove either the arson, or a liability. Shadow is a gd policy-lynch too but he has yet to make a completel fool out of himself ...

<VOTE: MIKEY>

[acolyte_to_jippity]

alright. cop, scan either brett or cyber. two birds, one stone.

cyber is not arsonist, though could be mafia.

i'll go along with lynching mikey.

vote mikey

now, i'm going to bed. i'll check this when i get up, but then i'll be out of contact until tomorrow evening (happy hour after work fuck yeah)

[CYBER]

1 last thing...
Why was I the one that got Doused?
That's the question...
It was either because the arson thinks it would be funny to burn me when he had no info on me (chikun, taz, shadow who knows me from gw2, scribble, sin), or because when I said that "BTW , tomorrow you guys will have a confirmed townie" on day 1 ( I can find the quote later if someone wants it), then the arson thought I was implying that I was the cop and thought that he should burn me fast because i'd be telling you guys who is a confirmed townie tomorrow.
The latter would imply that it's someone who's smart enough to pay attention to every post that was posted... Seeing as scribble, sin, aco, taz are just downright impossible to notice something subtle like that, this would lead me to think that the arson is either Blackmage (deceased?), mikey (reads everything, and trying to lure us away by suggesting dumb moves), chikun (proved himself to notice tiny things when we played the roman mafia game and therefore is very likely to notice that tiny quote), Brett (who is gonna probably be investigated tonight by cop to either condemn him, or clear him)

This move of mine backfired on the arson because he wasted a douse on me thinking im the cop, and bought time for the real cop out there.

And with this, i conclude everything I can think of about our current situation.

[Chikun]

I'll throw my vote in tomorrow, I do my best thinking when I'm trying to sleep.

I'm also entertaining the idea that town has a vigilante and the arsonist is mafia.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I'll throw my vote in tomorrow, I do my best thinking when I'm trying to sleep.

I'm also entertaining the idea that town has a vigilante and the arsonist is mafia.

i've kept the thought that cyber could be vig in my head for a while now.

[CYBER]

alright. cop, scan either brett or cyber. two birds, one stone.

cyber is not arsonist, though could be mafia.

That seems to be the right way to go.
May I just remind you though, if the investigator checks me, and sees that i'm innocent, then that only clears masskid as the firefighhter, as brett can still be a mafia member or arson ( he IS on my arsonist list now since when i sent him the pm, i didnt know the existence of an arsonist until day started.)

I suggest somoene investigates brett, that would clear me, masskid, and brett in 1 shot. 3 birds 1 stone.
But i'll leave that decision to the cop.
I already posted my vote, and I wanna go to gw2 now, so keep me posted .

Firefighter... i love you... remember that :P

[acolyte_to_jippity]

That seems to be the right way to go.
May I just remind you though, if the investigator checks me, and sees that i'm innocent, then that only clears masskid as the firefighhter, as brett can still be a mafia member or arson ( he IS on my arsonist list now since when i sent him the pm, i didnt know the existence of an arsonist until day started.)

I suggest somoene investigates brett, that would clear me, masskid, and brett in 1 shot. 3 birds 1 stone.
But i'll leave that decision to the cop.
I already posted my vote, and I wanna go to gw2 now, so keep me posted .

Firefighter... i love you... remember that :P

ah, good point. agreed.

[CYBER]

I'll throw my vote in tomorrow, I do my best thinking when I'm trying to sleep.

I'm also entertaining the idea that town has a vigilante and the arsonist is mafia.

If arsonist is mafia, and brett is a suspect of being arson (along with u and mikey), then if brett is a bad guy, we lynch him. If he's a mafia on death, then that would make me a mafia . if brett is arson only (no mafia) on death, then that doesnt protect me still, but at least you guys would know that the arson is alone on this one.

win win once we clear brett up...

also aco, im not a vig.. i cant be -.-
you need to read up on what the friendly neighbour role is... i cant be both -.-

[Chikun]

1 last thing...
Why was I the one that got Doused?
That's the question...
It was either because the arson thinks it would be funny to burn me when he had no info on me (chikun, taz, shadow who knows me from gw2, scribble, sin), or because when I said that "BTW , tomorrow you guys will have a confirmed townie" on day 1 ( I can find the quote later if someone wants it), then the arson thought I was implying that I was the cop and thought that he should burn me fast because i'd be telling you guys who is a confirmed townie tomorrow.
The latter would imply that it's someone who's smart enough to pay attention to every post that was posted... Seeing as scribble, sin, aco, taz are just downright impossible to notice something subtle like that, this would lead me to think that the arson is either Blackmage (deceased?), mikey (reads everything, and trying to lure us away by suggesting dumb moves), chikun (proved himself to notice tiny things when we played the roman mafia game and therefore is very likely to notice that tiny quote), Brett (who is gonna probably be investigated tonight by cop to either condemn him, or clear him)

This move of mine backfired on the arson because he wasted a douse on me thinking im the cop, and bought time for the real cop out there.

And with this, i conclude everything I can think of about our current situation.

That's a good point, but I don't think a lot of thought or concentration would had to have been needed if arsonist is third party and just flagged you as the highest threat since you were the only one to admit a power role (i use that term loosely).

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you need to read up on what the friendly neighbour role is... i cant be both -.-

I'm speaking of another player.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

If arsonist is mafia, and brett is a suspect of being arson (along with u and mikey), then if brett is a bad guy, we lynch him. If he's a mafia on death, then that would make me a mafia . if brett is arson only (no mafia) on death, then that doesnt protect me still, but at least you guys would know that the arson is alone on this one.

win win once we clear brett up...

also aco, im not a vig.. i cant be -.-
you need to read up on what the friendly neighbour role is... i cant be both -.-

you can't be friendly neighbor and vig at the same time? is this a confirmed, solid fact?


like, i saw some stuff about the neighbor role, but i couldn't tell what roles it could be added to.

[Chikun]

Wow, rapid fire responses my bad.

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you can't be friendly neighbor and vig at the same time? is this a confirmed, solid fact?


like, i saw some stuff about the neighbor role, but i couldn't tell what roles it could be added to.

There are roles, then modifiers. You can't have multiple roles, maybe multiple modifiers for bastard modding, but not roles.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Wow, rapid fire responses my bad.

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There are roles, then modifiers. You can't have multiple roles, maybe multiple modifiers for bastard modding, but not roles.

is mafia a modifier?

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neighbor (technically neigborizer in this case) is considered a modifier under normal rules.

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oh, fuck, my bad. i was reading about "neighbor" and "neighborizer" on the mafia wiki, not friendly neighbor.

they really need to add a link between those. oops.

[Chikun]

is mafia a modifier?

That's an alignment. There's mafia and town as the 2 main ones. Then there can be third party like cult, a serial killer, or in this case an arsonist. Note that third party is against town and mafia.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

That's an alignment. There's mafia and town as the 2 main ones. Then there can be third party like cult, a serial killer, or in this case an arsonist. Note that third party is against town and mafia.

so, a good neighbor couldn't be a mafia goon, vig, or a cop, or a gunsmith, or a doctor, or an FBI agent, or anything like that?

[Masskid]

As such, I strongly believe Mikey is either a liability to town, or the arsonist/mafia trying to deflect by keeping the pressure on my claim instead of on his crappy suggestion of having the power roles claim immediately.
Seing as he asked the doctor to protect the cop if he claims, that makes me assume he's NOT a mafia member, but instead I strongly believe he might be the arsonist trying to lure the cop out by giving him a false sense of security... especially after the firefighter already claimed, hence him getting rid of everyone who can identify him by getting the cop to claim.

With that reasoning, Mikey should be lynched today to remove either the arson, or a liability. Shadow is a gd policy-lynch too but he has yet to make a completel fool out of himself ...

<VOTE: MIKEY>

Fair enough O.o

Vote: Mikey

[acolyte_to_jippity]

ok bitches, here's how it is.

mafia are cyber, brett, and chikun.

i scanned cyber first night. i'm a gunsmith. "lead 'em a little less"

cyber has a gun. i've been asking all these questions to determine if he could possibly be a cop, FBI Agent (we have a SK after all) or a vig, IN ADDITION TO A GOOD NEIGHBOR. since it's been shown that he can't have two roles, he must be lying, as a good neighbor otherwise wouldn't have a gun.

this means that when he "revealed" to brett, he was actually just lying to us, and brett has been going along the whole time.


while i was asking ll these questions this evening, chikun was replying back like crazy. until i asked about specific roles a good neighbor could possibly be. he stopped immediately. i'm thinking he knows i was onto them, and stopped giving me info. i think cyber was going to "reveal" himself to chikun this upcoming night, thus "confirming" him as being town.

i'll probably get nightkilled tonight, but i had to let everyone know before i died.


mikey's most likely arsonist, but who gives a fuck.
unvote mikey
vote cyber




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Fair enough O.o

Vote: Mikey

read my post.

[brett friggin favre]

vote aco


my vote says everything i need to say. cyber has no gun, unless there is some role which can send me a note as friendly neighbor but be faking it. which i don't think exists. maybe aco has a modifier kinda like paranoid/random cop and sees that cyber has a gun for some reason.

or he's mafia and is being very dumb.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

vote aco


my vote says everything i need to say. cyber has no gun, unless there is some role which can send me a note as friendly neighbor but be faking it. which i don't think exists. maybe aco has a modifier kinda like paranoid/random cop and sees that cyber has a gun for some reason.

or he's mafia and is being very dumb.

i'd say clever, but i'd belying. like you have this whole time. i checked cyber, and he had a gun.

i love the lack of any defense other than "he's wrong, or mafia. kill him"

you realize that if they lynch me, and my role is revealed, you and cyber and chikun are dead anyway, right? they'll see that I am a gunsmith and telling the truth.

unless chikun is the janitor. hmmm...interesting.

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also, it's sleepy time for me. was up to my fucking elbows in server cages today, i'm exhausted. UPS units are WAY too fucking heavy.

[brett friggin favre]

i'd say clever, but i'd belying. like you have this whole time. i checked cyber, and he had a gun.

i love the lack of any defense other than "he's wrong, or mafia. kill him"

you realize that if they lynch me, and my role is revealed, you and cyber and chikun are dead anyway, right? they'll see that I am a gunsmith and telling the truth.

unless chikun is the janitor. hmmm...interesting.

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also, it's sleepy time for me. was up to my fucking elbows in server cages today, i'm exhausted. UPS units are WAY too fucking heavy.

this is what i know for certain: nemesis sent me a message that cyber had slipped a note under my door, sending his greetings, and that he is Mr. B, Town Friendly Neighbor.

if there's a role that can do that and have a gun, then aco may also be telling the truth. but i suspect he isn't, as i know no role that can do so.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

i am not the arsonist dipshit. Cyber you are a fucking moron, really. Suggesting a plan of action vs pushing one, are two completely different things. Furthermore, how can you criticize someone for questioning your claims? Or anyones claims that is. .... you pretty much labeled me a bad guy when i questioned the integrity of your pretty obnoxious claim.

Lynching me will hurt the town tremendously. I should not need to claim a defense but rather have you trust me. Cyber lets not forget, you lack the attention span to actually read other peoples posts because you are to focused on writing a novel to convince us of you story.

I think it is healthy to have someone questioning claims that can not be 100% proven at that time.

I never once said the cop should claim, i merely suggested a follow the cop idea be used later on in the game once the arsonist was lynched.

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cyber, you also state that i did all these "horrible" things after the firefighter claimed... which is a blatant lie. this is my first post in over 12 hours dumb ass.

[taz1stP]

unvote mass vote shadow

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

also, you are doing alot of down talking. Calling people stupid and saying they do not know how to play this game. Must i remind you of your LyLo game... having been given every sign possible and still fucking it up beyond belief...

[Nemesis]

unvote mass vote shadow

Try to make your votes less retarded please.

[brett friggin favre]

before i go to sleep, i'd like everyone to vote for aco. cyber and I (mass too?) should all be proven innocent, provided he doesn't have some crazy modifier.

aco, i'd like for you to give your character name.

[CYBER]

ok bitches, here's how it is.

mafia are cyber, brett, and chikun.

i scanned cyber first night. i'm a gunsmith. "lead 'em a little less"

cyber has a gun. i've been asking all these questions to determine if he could possibly be a cop, FBI Agent (we have a SK after all) or a vig, IN ADDITION TO A GOOD NEIGHBOR. since it's been shown that he can't have two roles, he must be lying, as a good neighbor otherwise wouldn't have a gun.

this means that when he "revealed" to brett, he was actually just lying to us, and brett has been going along the whole time.


while i was asking ll these questions this evening, chikun was replying back like crazy. until i asked about specific roles a good neighbor could possibly be. he stopped immediately. i'm thinking he knows i was onto them, and stopped giving me info. i think cyber was going to "reveal" himself to chikun this upcoming night, thus "confirming" him as being town.

i'll probably get nightkilled tonight, but i had to let everyone know before i died.


mikey's most likely arsonist, but who gives a fuck.
unvote mikey
vote cyber




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read my post.

You know what?
I'll let you have this one.
You might be right about me having a gun but that would mean the following:
- if i am mafia, then brett and masskid are mafia.
- if i am a townie, which is what I fucking am, and i can send a friendly neighbour message once per night, then that means that either blade/nem has me as a fucking Miller friendly neighbour (hence why nemesis called me Mr. Black in my role pm, and then called me Mr. B in brett's role pm in order to hide that modifier? OR I was bus'd by someone who IS mafia, and in that case, if someone is a BUS they need to come forth NOW with who they bused me with. O
OR I have a gun, such as being a backup depute... (Like i said, im not the vig, but I could be a triggerable depute, which i doubt btw)
OR your ability gives a modifier that gives false positive.

OR you could be lying your ass off... But I see no point in that as you seem to be convinced in what you say.

The fact that blade told us this game has no bastard role, the only thing that comes to mind is the chance that I was buse'd.

If you do not believe my claim, then I am going to confirm with YOU tonight, since you're the one accusing me of being mafia.
Once you get the mod confirmation, you'll see that I'm a townie that got screwed over by someone's ability when u were investigating me.
Look at everything i posted so far, I have no reason to be lying because you know that everything i said is true.

No way I can be a fucking mafia, while knowing there's an arson out, and knowing there's a firefighter out, and sending brett a message at night, and convincing masskid to claim firefighter role when he could be CC'd... .it makes NO FUCKING SENSE for all 3 of us to put ourselves on the spot just to confirm me...

Again, I'll show you by night that I am a townie and something is off here. But other than that? You might be absolutely right that i could have a gun... and in time, u'll see that I'm right.

[Masskid]

unvote

Wouldn't want to accidentally lynch someone in my sleep.

[CYBER]

also, you are doing alot of down talking. Calling people stupid and saying they do not know how to play this game. Must i remind you of your LyLo game... having been given every sign possible and still fucking it up beyond belief...

WTF are u talking about? read EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY POSTS.
Not ONCE did I belittle anyone other than YOU.

You seem to see me as a threat because I'm calling your bullshit ideas. THATS why i'm down-talking to you, because your suggestions make no fucking sense, and you're either an idiot ( which everyone already knows btw ... based on ur previous games) OR u're the arsonist in disguise...


Last few times you claimed you were "essential" to town, u were the nexus (bad townie that can fuck logic) AND then u were a mafia arsonist claiming to be a roleblocker...
This is not the first time u claim to be important to town, when you werent. and clearly you see me as a threat because I'm the only one seeing through your charades.



Also, WTF did u just say earlier? "Suggesting the cop to play <follow the cop> is only SUGGESTING, not asking?" ... you do realize that JUST by suggesting this, you are actually providing this as a viable option when it clearly ISNT. And u're hiding behind the choice of words? really? you KNOW its a bad option since u're pretending now that it was only a suggestion, and because i called u up on that, now u're hiding behind the "oh it was just an idea, i didnt think he should actually do it"...then WHY SUGGEST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE if it's a bad idea?


@aco, I will make sure to confirm you tonight. Seeing that you're the only one that thinks I'm a mafia (for acceptable reasons), then by confirming with you, i should be cleared once and for all...
I'm still waiting for the bus to claim who he bus'd me with... unless he was a mafia bus... and he bus'd me with himself ... But I strongly doubt that nem would go as far as having a mafia busdriver...

So again, I'm not countering you, but your claim is either a LIE (as brett can confirm since he got my message), OR you think I'm a mafia because I happen to own a gun (which i could have been bus'd)...
bottom line is, we can't be sure of that until i either confirm with you tonight, or brett clears me up by being a townie either by dying or by having the cop investigate him...
and in which case, masskid, myself, brett, AND you aco will be confirmed as townies. and we'd also confirm there's a bus driver (or i have a modifier miller role... which is again unlikely)...

Either a brett lynch will confirm this, or at night you will see that i'm right and you yourself will clear me next morning ... Then we'll have 4 confirmed townies, and the suspect pool for mafia and arson will be cut in half... which is an amazing deal if you ask me.

I rest my case.

[Chikun]

Gunsmith? I need to look at this tomorrow. I mean today in my time zone.

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Then we'll have 4 confirmed townies, and the suspect pool for mafia and arson will be cut in half... which is an amazing deal if you ask me.

Proving your innocence only confirms two people as town. You and Masskid. Who are the other two?

[CYBER]

Gunsmith? I need to look at this tomorrow. I mean today in my time zone.---------- Post added at 01:49 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:47 AM ----------Proving your innocence only confirms two people as town. You and Masskid. Who are the other two? if u read this right,I was talking about investigating brett would clear him (if he is in fact a townie, would clear me,Would clear masskid AND possibly aco,Since being a gunsmith is a bold claim and he then would have proved that there's a busdriver thanks to his intel. Im almost positive mikey is the arsonist btw, and if im right, then townies would at least get rid of a threat. ----- hopefully if aco confirms me tomorrow, at least he'd see that im on his side, and of no busdriver claims by tomorrow, then that DEFINITELY means that the bus driver is on mafia side, and then we'd at least know 1 roll out of 2 for mafia, along with skimming the arsonist suspect pool. Look,I know what aco says might be true, i wont deny it, but with the loss of blackmage (aStrong thinker), and now with me under the gunFor owning a gun due to busing, i can only ask 1 question: do you NOT seeThat the people who are likely to he the most active (not to mention the most detail-oriented) are being hunted down 1 by 1? ------Clearly theres a player that sees us as a threat to the game an tey want an easy win by taking out the people who call hacks on them -.- ... Seeing that shadow doesn't know our gameplay much, that leaves someone who is desperate enough to take out the competition, but not smart enough to make it a little less fucking obvious... Who other than mikey comes to mind???? He's been on my case for correcting his wrong call for a while now and he's too deep to let it go... Be smart and see what he's doing: taking out the thinkers. And that means u, brett, scribble, hell even Sin out of the equation. -----------------///-------/I have 1 question, if i am mafia, wouldn't be better for me if i let mikey's ruse come to play? And have the cop come out so i can take him out myself??? Why in fuck's name would i go all out to make sure the cop stays hidden??? It defies mafia logic... I'm obviously protecting the damn cop and helping town, and mikey's trying to get rid of anyone questioning hid UNBELIEVABLY stupid an counter-intuitive logic... Rememer when he almost lynched me in the santa game bos of nem's trap? He immediately realized he screwed anf said "well that was fun" as if it was a joke and not to be taken seriously. I failed to see that trick last time but he's pullin the same shit here. As soon as i called him out that he's getting the cop AND the doc AND the fighter restrained or killed, he hides behind the 'well i wasnt serious, it was a suggestion' claim... Are u fucking kdn me mikey? Can u be any more obvious that u screwed up while trying to pretend to be subtle or smart?! Like i said, by tonight u guys will be definitely sure that im a townie and that mikey is bs,That masskid is the firefighter etc... So yeah again, everythin i have done so far was to help town, and protectin the cop. Why teh hell would i do that if im a mafia?

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Btw aco, smthn just came to mind: there's also the chance thst i got bus'd not with a mafia, but with a cop or vig or someone with gun that's pro town... Which would explain why a busdriver is reluctant to claim yet, hoping to see if he's gonna single handedly screw the cop over by claiming him... Again, its just a thought.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Cyber, i offered the suggestion before you claimed an arsonist out there and even that is not proven to be true. The possibility of an arsonit destroys the idea of follow the cop. Besides im positive the cop wouldn't claim until they are ready too.... Regardless of my "suggestion."

We could lynch cyber, seeing as how he claimed a pretty much useless role. By lynching cyber we can confirm 1 of the following.

1. He was a friendly neighbor, clearing brett, proving there to be an arsonist and proving masskids claim to firefighter.

2. Finding out cyber is mafia, condemning masskid and brett along with him.

this would also null out cybers douse claim. If we let cyber live into night 2 and he dies from flame, another will die by mafia hands. Those 2 deaths on top of a lynch we need to make on this day.

so we have 2 options

loose 3 players, gain above information
loose 2 players, gain the same amount of info

This would also free up the cops investigation to go after someone other then the three he has been forced to investigate from cybers claim.

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im also laughing hysterically at your comment about how you are trying everything in your power to protect the cop. LMAO.

I still think FTC is a good idea, just not with a suspected arsonist on the loose. Once the arsonist is taken down, bam FTC. Also, mafia wouldn't be able to just kill the cop right off the bat if they were to claim because the DOC would most assuredly protect him. I think you are typing to much and over analyzing shit. Calm down.

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i also feel sorry for anyone who falls victim to cybers drivel.

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Cyber, i offered the suggestion before you claimed an arsonist out there and even that is not proven to be true. The possibility of an arsonit destroys the idea of follow the cop. Besides im positive the cop wouldn't claim until they are ready too.... Regardless of my "suggestion."

We could lynch cyber, seeing as how he claimed a pretty much useless role. By lynching cyber we can confirm 1 of the following.

1. He was a friendly neighbor, clearing brett, proving there to be an arsonist and proving masskids claim to firefighter.

2. Finding out cyber is mafia, condemning masskid and brett along with him.

this would also null out cybers douse claim. If we let cyber live into night 2 and he dies from flame, another will die by mafia hands. Those 2 deaths on top of a lynch we need to make on this day.

so we have 2 options

loose 3 players, gain above information
loose 2 players, gain the same amount of info

This would also free up the cops investigation to go after someone other then the three he has been forced to investigate from cybers claim.

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im also laughing hysterically at your comment about how you are trying everything in your power to protect the cop. LMAO.

I still think FTC is a good idea, just not with a suspected arsonist on the loose. Once the arsonist is taken down, bam FTC. Also, mafia wouldn't be able to just kill the cop right off the bat if they were to claim because the DOC would most assuredly protect him. I think you are typing to much and over analyzing shit. Calm down.

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i also feel sorry for anyone who falls victim to cybers drivel.

Also, Lynching me will condemn you. Ever heard of the term "Ignorant Hypocrite"? I strongly suggest you re think your "priorities."

[taz1stP]

well we also could lynch cyber and then we could lynch mikey the following night if cyber turns out to be a townie and then mikey has no one saying he is a townie so he could be just trying to off people

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

id also like to point out how cybers claim indicates that the arsonist can only be third party. As if it was mafia, mafia could not use two different kill abilities in one night. Furthermore, nothing cyber has said iv done is true. Confirm for yourself by reading back a few pages. Cyber may be telling the truth and thats fine but he went about this the entirely wrong way. We also have to consider the probability that cyber somehow landed the exact same role he had a few games ago, as he claims im the exact same role as well. Those odds are almost non existent.

I have personally concluded that cyber is either retarded or mafia. Both of which are a hindrance to the towns fight against the baddies.

[Nemesis]

I'm off to bed and I may be busy tonight so if a resolution is reached I will get to it around midnight.

[CYBER]

Cyber, i offered the suggestion before you claimed an arsonist out there and even that is not proven to be true. The possibility of an arsonit destroys the idea of follow the cop. Besides im positive the cop wouldn't claim until they are ready too.... Regardless of my "suggestion."

I'm not even gonna bother reading your entire post before i actually reply to THIS fucking sentence:

Everyone pay attention to THIS BULLSHIT before you even think about lynching me,
as this just proves how much mikey is full of shit in this game.
He's lying left and right and falsifying facts just so that his stupid, nay BAD, actions aren't called out for being moronic.

Mikey, i claimed the existence of an arsonist BEFORE you asked the cop to claim (dnt give me the "suggestion" crap, there's no reason to suggest something moronic unless u secretly want the idea out there because it benefits you).

I don't know how blackmage links posts, butt i'll try. Here's the proof that you keep lying and going after your own tail for no fucking reason other than to implicate me:

See THIS (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/11083-2013-A-Space-Mafia?p=164477#post164477)[/URL]post (#186) to show my arson claim as the FIRST comment of the day when i had nothing else to go on, with no reason to lie-.-
See THIS (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/11083-2013-A-Space-Mafia?p=164477#post164477)post (#187) to show your cop claim request AFTER my claim (hell, you even quoted my own arson-existence claim ffs...
See THIS (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/11083-2013-A-Space-Mafia?p=164479#post164479)post (#189) to show when i told you that your idea is fucking STUPID and that it would get town DOOMED (with the benefit of the doubt, mind you)
and finally, See [URL="http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/11083-2013-A-Space-Mafia?p=164494#post164494"]THIS (http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/11083-2013-A-Space-Mafia?p=164484#post164484)post (#194) to show how even AFTER i told you that there was an arson in game, and AFTER I told you that ur "suggestion" is BAD, you STILL insisted on having the cop claim as being a viable option to begin with and you called me stupid nevertheless because I called out your dumb move.

Again, MIKEY, you're lying your ass off, and you're trying to get me lynched because you KNOW i'm calling out every single bs u claim in this game.


So everyone, PLEASE, pay attention to the fact that I'm being put under the gun as a misdirect because this guy is lying his ASS OFF, and we all know that a liar in this game has something to hide.

To end my case before going to sleep, why would you listen to someone who's been lying at any opportunity he has, over someone like me , who's been calling out every dumb/bad move he's been doing, all so that I keep town safe... hmm???

Again, if i was a mafia, I wouldnt be fighting for this town sooo fucking much, clearly you guys need to see this ffs...

Mikey should be lynched, and you all know it.

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ps mikey: just to show how much you STILL have no clue what you're doing, ur first suggestion in your post (2 posts up) suggesting that if i'm lynched and confirmed friendly neighbour, then that means brett is a townie.


WRONG... jesus christ do you even know what you say half of the time?
I can confirm with brett that im a townie, but god knows what he is ( no offence brett, just trying to prove how much mikey is a nuisance to town)...

For all we know, when u lynch me and i turn up to be a friendly neighbour, u'll go and say that brett is a confirmed townie, and if he's a mafia member, then u just gave him immunity from suspicion for the rest of the game because you don't know what the fuck u're saying about roles... Remember when locust cleared brett as townie when he was godfather? he gave him a free ticket to survive the game, and u're doing the SAME shit...


Pay attention to what you say ffs...
You're a nuisance to town, u lie ur ass off, you claim and suggest the dumbest shit, and you hide behind lies instead of owning up to mistakes for the greater good of town.

That, my friend, is scummy behavior, and I cant be the only one who sees this ffs...
Come on ppl!

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well we also could lynch cyber and then we could lynch mikey the following night if cyber turns out to be a townie and then mikey has no one saying he is a townie so he could be just trying to off people

not trying to be a dick here taz, but if you actually believe that lynching me reveals ANYTHING, u're dead wrong. that's what mikey wants you to think.
Sure my claim of arson and firefighter will be confirmed...
But that still leaves no idea about who brett is, and who the arson is, and who the mafia are etc...

Brett being investigated (hell, evne lynched, sry brett, but im just stating the many options we have) would clear 3 people (plus the cop, plus aco who seems to be on to something) from being mafia, and that's an amazing feat for townie...
instead? mikey wants to lynch ME?

why me? it gives out no info, and it wouldn't clear ANYONE, it will only confirm an arson claim (which got already confirmed by a non-cc'd firefighter mind you), and by the end of the day? NOT A SINGLE ONE OF US IS CLEARED TOWNIE because i'd be fucking dead....

Investigating brett, and having the firefighter protect me at night will guarantee at least 4 townies known tomorrow (other than the cop), and that's amazing for town... but mikey DOESNT WANT THAT... because it's BAD FOR HIM for some reason...

instead he wants me dead, when it will bring NTHN to town other than -1 townie dead by lynch while the arsonist (strongly believe it's mikey) and mafia members are out...


so again, I hope people are smart enough to know that I'm the one that's been helping town by giving out a decent plan of action while mikey's been nthn but lying and a nuisance just to get me lynched (along with any other scummy plans he has in mind, mind you...)

[CYBER]

For the record mikey, i noticed that i sound exactly how WHAT was against blackmage inthe last game. Know thatIm not trying to insult you personally, im insultingWtvr role u're pretending to be right now. I can see why What got raging last game lol, especially when i'm facing almost the same scenario. At least townies wises up in the last game andGot blackmage (the godfather) lynched because What was a cop... I wish i wasA cop but the scenario is nevertheless the same, and i hope town realised this before it's too late!

[Chikun]

Vote Brett

This way we can prove Cyber and Masskid are confirmed town, we can prove there is either a bus driver or some kind of target switching role, as well as Aco's innocence.

I would also suggest that the cop investigate Mikey to either prove or disprove that Mikey is the arsonist.

This is the course of action I believe to be best to gain the most information possible during the second night phase. Sorry Brett.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

i have not lied once and will reiterate that lynching me is a horrible idea for town. You make a mighty claim about what you are, who exsists in this game, and that you are doing everything in your power to protect the cop. Yet here you are trying to lynch me because i questioned your claim and failed to fall head over heels for it. Why hasnt aco been hounded for a lynch for not believing your claim? you are getting very upset and pissy. It is rather amusing but i can assure you that i am the wrong person to be targeting right now. Also, even if brett is not claimed, we lose less people by day three by lynching you. The cop can still investigate brett regardless. Again, my follow the cop suggestion was not me telling the cop to do anything, furthermore, it would be impossible for a FTC suggestion from me to persuade the cop in this game to do such a thing......


Im simply asking you cyber, to trust me on this. you are making major mistakes from over analyzing and casting blame on me. there is no solid evidence that indicates i am anti town. As there is no 100% evidence to indicate any of your claim is true.

Let us pretend you are telling the truth in regards to your claim, that would mean that you are about to die anyways, brett got your message and is most likely town due to the nature of sending messages to mafia members as a townie. (= death from what i have seen) Masskid made a vauge claim about being the fire fighter, which for the most part we could confirm, not 100% though and lastly there is an arsonist.

you have aco who claimed gunsmith and got a fishy result after investigating you.
you have shadow, scribbs, sin, taz who have hardly said anything of value.
you have me, who is townie and an asset to town.

If you are what you say you are, we would be better off lynching scribb, shadow, taz, or sin.

Im still down with a policy lynch on shadow. I highly recommend you start cooperating or your actions will result in a town lose yet again.

[Chikun]

I'm rethinking my plan.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

cyber, i understand what you are saying and how it relates to last game. the diffrence here is that you are wrong. im not doing anything in regards to misdirecting anybody. you simply read deeper then you should have in some of my posts.

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iv also given several hints as to what role i am playing.

Chikun, your plan cant work... i believe the best course of action is policy lynching shadow with an off chance he is a anti town role, investigate brett, and proceed day 3 with have the players confirmed town. Cop can claim day 3 as to what results he received and our odds of hitting a anti town are greatly improved.

Vote Shadow

[Chikun]

My idea only proves anything if Brett is innocent which is rather counter-intuitive. Fortunately, getting rid of an anti-town is a good trade off for no other info.

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Chikun, your plan cant work...

Please explain, I'm pretty sure I've worked out all the angles and you suggest we lynch a random person with no info to gain other than hit or miss?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

My idea only proves anything if Brett is innocent which is rather counter-intuitive. Fortunately, getting rid of an anti-town is a good trade off for no other info.

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Please explain, I'm pretty sure I've worked out all the angles and you suggest we lynch a random person with no info to gain other than hit or miss?

nah forget it totally went way over my head.

Who else other then myself would be a valuable cop target tonight?

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i still think we should lynch someone who is not participating in the game, cop investigates brett, and we have eliminated even more potential threats while gaining all the information we seek.

[Masskid]

@mikey other then just saying you're an asset to the town, would you care to elaborate on why you are?? Because saying "I'm not the bad guy" isn't actually convincing.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

@mikey other then just saying you're an asset to the town, would you care to elaborate on why you are?? Because saying "I'm not the bad guy" isn't actually convincing.

If i dont have to, id rather not. Iv given several hints, re read through some of my posts and deduct that for yourself.

I will not claim with out being guaranteed protection.

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because cyber will flip out and write a 10 page essay, doc, do not claim... that is not what i meant.

[brett friggin favre]

I think we all know what mikey will claim at this point. At least those of us with brains do.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I think we all know what mikey will claim at this point. At least those of us with brains do. yea.. which scares me. Thanks to cyber i am most likely going to be the target tonight and he will have effectively hurt the town once again.

[CYBER]

cop investigates brett, and we have eliminated even more potential threats while gaining all the information we seek.

FINALLY you say something that actually makes SENSE lol...

You seem to be clinging onto the fact that you have some power role that you cannot disclose... I think I see where this is going, and i'll stop you before you say something that might hurt town... I might have to go re-read ur previous posts just to be sure of what u're hinting at though...

Masskid, trust me on this, if mikey doesn't want to claim out loud, I think I finally realized why he's so bent over to stay alive... and i suggest you let him be until tomorrow... If i die tonight from burning, u'd know mikey had his way with me... if not, he might be a gd guy... a dumb gd guy...but a gd guy..

Mikey, I'm going to propose a truce... If you show some good faith and use your head, we might actually figure out a way to go through this day with the least amount of damage for town.

Just because I realized how much of a dick I was, I'm willing to give you ONE chance and one chance only for you to get the info you need (I think I finally got your shit figured out).
I'm willing to not vote for you... but you're gonna need to show some faith as well...
I already have not just Brett confirming that I'm townie, but masskid confirming my arson/firefighter claim as well (which is a very risky claim if none existed...)...


I am willing to lynch Shadow instead of you for this night, frankly because he literally hasn't said anything since he confirmed, and following the theory i suggested on day 1 about the possibility of him being a 3rd party, then I'm willing to give you a chance for ONE night mikey, and lynch shadow instead of you.

[SCRIBBLE]

I do not have anything to add, heresay is trivial.

Cyber and Mikey are running circles around each other.

Shadow has not added much.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

then a policy lynch on shadow it is. lets cast votes?

[Chikun]

i still think we should lynch someone who is not participating in the game, cop investigates brett, and we have eliminated even more potential threats while gaining all the information we seek.

Why I'm going with a lynch on Brett is because I want absolute certainty of proof. He could be the godfather and that thought would be forever gnawing at me.

As far as investigations go with other people you have a point. Besides, if we lynch Brett and it turns out he was innocent and we get our plethora of knowledge, that would confirm a target switcher. Whether it's town aligned or not doesn't matter because we have no proof and must assume mafia. The cop can investigate either me, you, or the other players not saying much but if we prove that there is a target switcher by lynching Brett as an innocent the results would be dubious at best.

[Masskid]

Out of the 2 people that died do we know their alignment?

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

cyber, if you say you are catching on to me, id highly recommend sending your message to me.

[CYBER]

If i dont have to, id rather not. Iv given several hints, re read through some of my posts and deduct that for yourself.

I will not claim with out being guaranteed protection.

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because cyber will flip out and write a 10 page essay, doc, do not claim... that is not what i meant.



ok ok ... i got it ffs -.- lol

I suggest the following actions, if everyone is aboard, we can actually get things going:

Actions:
- We policy-lynch Shadow who's been literally inactive since confirmation, and has provided zero input with a chance of hitting an early-bird mafia.

- COP, investigate brett, and if he's townie: Me, brett, and masskid along with you will be confirmed and ALIVE townies tomorrow.

- Firefighter... For the love of god make sure you protect me from burning tonight because that would basically buy us an extra night of a townie alive.

- Doctor, if u exist, protect mikey tonight.

- Roleblocker, keep track of who u're blocking and notice if someone claimed being doused or not.

- Aco or chikun or Scribble. One of you is gonna get a confirmation from me tonight, I wont say who, but you 3 seem to be the ones questioning me the most, so at least one of you will confirm me tomorrow if brett turns out to be a baddie, since i have no control over which role i have the mod confirm me to.

Unvote Mikey.
Vote Shadow

btw mikey, you're not off the hook yet... but now i understand why you would "suggest" smthn to the cop (if protected by doc), without actually affecting the cop's mind... If that's the case, sorry for not seeing this earlier... if it isnt the case... I'm gonna hang you by your toe nails tomorrow lol... So make sure by tomorrow you start spilling lol...

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Out of the 2 people that died do we know their alignment?

based off colors, Wolf was anti town (not mafia) and blackmage was townie.

[CYBER]

i keep forgetting colors:

UNVOTE MIKEY.
VOTE SHADOW.

I think this is the best we can do under the circumstances... if you guys agree with this... let's get shit on the go.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

cyber color your votes derp.

secondly ill be afk now for a couple hours, will check back in before bed time.

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ignore the color part cyberr.

[brett friggin favre]

lynching shadow isn't a bad idea except that nem's said players who don't add anything to the discussion will be modkilled or replaced. why waste our lynch on him?

[CYBER]

cyber, if you say you are catching on to me, id highly recommend sending your message to me.

The thing is... there's a chance u might be lying.. and screwing me over tomorrow to get ur way...
but i'll tell you what, i came to the conclusion that I will either confirm with YOU. or with ACO.

Reason:
Aco thinks i have a gun, and he's against me, if i confirm with him, and he realizes im townie, i should be cleared by all.
I think I realized what you are, and if that's true, then if i confirm with you, I'd let the cop worry about brett, and this way, you will be FORCED to confirm me tomorrow or else the cop will see that brett could be innocent and thus if u dnt confirm me, bad shit's gonna happen.

Chikun cant really help me confirm come to think of it seing as he's being seen as my ally along with masskid ... taz cant be trusted to confirm anyone mikey... u know that from personal experience lol...
Shadow might be lynched today...

And since u're the one after me the most, then if u confirm me , im guaranteed town.

seems legit to me. carry on.

( u see how nice i can be when u make fucking sense? lol)

[Chikun]

We policy-lynch Shadow who's been literally inactive since confirmation, and has provided zero input with a chance of hitting an early-bird mafia.

I'm in agreeance with everything but this. The fact that Brett could be the godfather would effectively create a false positive. While the odds of it are low, it's a possibility that has occured before, and like all possibilities they need to be accounted for before people can be proven 100%.

Like I said earlier, what do we gain if Shadow is town and we lynch him? Nothing. What do we gain if Brett is town and we lynch him? 100% proof of innocence for multiple people.

The point I'm making is that I'm not too keen on trusting cops, especially after the Roman game.

[CYBER]

lynching shadow isn't a bad idea except that nem's said players who don't add anything to the discussion will be modkilled or replaced. why waste our lynch on him?

because if he's gonna be mod killed, then we might as well lynch HIM and basically have redundant death of the same guy instead of 2 different ppl..

I really wanted to lynch mikey bcos he made no sense at first... but seeing as there's an arson AND mafia out, there are 3 power roles that are essential at this point:
cop, firefighter, and doc.
If any die, we're fucked.
So instead of lynching blindly with the offhand chance that we kill a power role WHILE shadow's getting mod killed... we might lose a power role AND a potential townie...

since shadow's gonna get killed anyway for inactivity, we lynch him ourselves as a scapegoat so that only 1 person dies, not 2.



not to mention that people wanted to kill YOU at first in order to prove me right... with the cop investigating u tonight, lynching inactive shadow seems more reasonable to me to avoid u getting killed when u're actually ACTIVE.

[Masskid]

lynching shadow isn't a bad idea except that nem's said players who don't add anything to the discussion will be modkilled or replaced. why waste our lynch on him?
Because if he is town we lower the death count to 1 possible townie instead of 2, in case shadow does come back

[CYBER]

I'm in agreeance with everything but this. The fact that Brett could be the godfather would effectively create a false positive.

That is true.
That's why the cop will investigate brett, if he's read as townie, i'd be confirmed.
if he's a false positive as a GF, then at least I'd have someone else confirm me.

With that logic, if brett IS in fact a godfather, then that would implicate ME, BRETT, masskid AND the other guy i might confirm with tonight.

This is why ACO can actually check Brett as well for a gun.
If he's confirmed townie by the cop, AND aco claims he has NO GUN, then he HAS to be a townie because I doubt a vig exists at this point seeing as there's a busdriver and only 1 dead person at night.

If both aco AND the cop confirm brett, along with my confirmation with either mikey or aco, then by day 2, you'd have 4 confirmed townies.


do you get it now?
Thoughts?

[Chikun]

So let's keep entertaining the idea of a target switcher. Do we know the alignment of this person? No. Is it safer to bet that this person is mafia? I think it would be. Do you think it's probable that the mafia might switch him with town? To create a false-positive I'd bet my sweet ass on it.

I prefer a more scorched earth policy for, like I said, 100% certainty.

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With that logic, if brett IS in fact a godfather, then that would implicate ME, BRETT, masskid AND the other guy i might confirm with tonight.

Actually it wouldn't, it would keep you in the nebulous realm of uncertainty that so far everyone is in to my eyes.

[brett friggin favre]

"lets lynch brett every game in case he's godfather"

Asshole.

[Chikun]

"lets lynch brett every game in case he's godfather"

Asshole.

As shitty as this sounds town would gain a lot of information from your death and it would free up Aco and the cop to investigate two different people during the night. Blame Cyber for targeting you first with his neighbor crap.

[CYBER]

So let's keep entertaining the idea of a target switcher. Do we know the alignment of this person? No. Is it safer to bet that this person is mafia? I think it would be. Do you think it's probable that the mafia might switch him with town? To create a false-positive I'd bet my sweet ass on it.I prefer a more scorched earth policy for, like I said, 100% certainty.---------- Post added at 09:49 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:47 AM ----------Actually it wouldn't, it would keep you in the nebulous realm of uncertainty that so far everyone is in to my eyes. true. If he's a gf, it woukd put us in uncertainty since i dont know who i'm confirming myself to... But seeing how pplJump to conclusions fast, then i'll probably be hung again because brett broke the record of how many times he's been scummy lol... But that is true, bottom line is, short of lynching brett to cleae me and mass, and thus having the cop and aco free for investigations, we really got nthn else to do other than investigating brett

[Chikun]

true. If he's a gf, it woukd put us in uncertainty since i dont know who i'm confirming myself to... But seeing how pplJump to conclusions fast, then i'll probably be hung again because brett broke the record of how many times he's been scummy lol... But that is true, bottom line is, short of lynching brett to cleae me and mass, and thus having the cop and aco free for investigations, we really got nthn else to do other than investigating brett

Actually, if we lynch Brett and he's scum, Aco and the cop could investigate both you and Masskid during the night and the day scene would put the issue to rest.

---------- Post added at 10:36 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 AM ----------

I'm also curious about what the maximum number of anti-town can be with a game of 12. 3? 4?

[کhд₫ðw]

I am still here I just lurk in the shadows waiting for the right moment to descend upon my prey
and btw I vote Chikun

[brett friggin favre]

I am still here I just lurk in the shadows waiting for the right moment to descend upon my prey
and btw I vote Chikun

well that doesn't sound fishy or anything.

[SCRIBBLE]

...

Vote shadow

[Chikun]

I am still here I just lurk in the shadows waiting for the right moment to descend upon my prey
and btw I vote Chikun

You aren't helping my case in making you an undesirable target of a lynch.

[کhд₫ðw]

Unvote Chikun
Vote Brett

[brett friggin favre]

unvote whoever...aco?

vote shadow

[کhд₫ðw]

just thought I would contribute a bit lol

[SCRIBBLE]

Shadow may be a jester.

​Unvote

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Actually, it would be interesting to see a jester win for once in the small chance that shadow is a jester.

Vote shadow

[Chikun]

I'm sticking with Brett as the best option.

[BladeTwinSwords]

Chikun, a standard 12 Person Mafia game is either 9:3 or 8:3:1

8:4 gives the Mafia too much of an advantage.

[SCRIBBLE]

Unvote shadow

[Chikun]

That's what I thought, I'm now curious as to who will get douched in gas tonight.

[brett friggin favre]

lynching me is dumb. when we have an arson and a mafia kill we're effectively losing 2 people per night unless we find the arson. mafia arson AND mafia kill? unlikely. as long as mafia lives, they're going to have a night kill. but if we can eliminate the arson, we save 2-3 people depending on when he ignites them. arson is our #1 priority so following a strategy which involves lynching an innocent person to confirm other innocents is a very bad idea. we simply don't have time considering the killers involved in the game. shadow's just trying to get a lynch and do enough to not get modkilled.......helloooo?

anywho i think my point here was that you gotta know cyber wouldn't have claimed what he did unless he had a deathwish or is telling the truth. the arson now knows he's confirmed town, and knows he successfully doused cyber. that makes cyber VERY vulnerable, and the friendly neighbor claim is extremely convenient to bring out fellow mafia if he was one. so what we have now is arson and mafia on the same page and that's lethal. lynching me, if there was either no mafia kill or no serial killer, would be a good idea. but in this case there needs to be some trust here. cyber will reach out to someone else tonight. announcing who it will be is dumb as fuck, it paints a target on them and if they die, it incriminates cyber because "oh he died thats why he didn't confirm me" is a perfectly convenient excuse. at that point, mafia wins because you'll waste a day lynching cyber to see he's confirmed town, there will be another mafia kill that night, a 3rd person doused/2 ignited, and you'll have almost no information.

our only chance is that you trust cyber's claim along with mine, and that cyber not announce who he'll reveal to. i realize how shady it is to ask for faith in a mafia game but ffs it's our only chance with this kill rate. we don't have time to dilly dally lynching people sheerly for info, we gotta find the threats and eliminate them ASAP.

[کhд₫ðw]

who doesn't like a jester?

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I can see what your saying....
but don't all criminals want to divert attention from themselves?

[Sin]

I still think Mr. Chicken is the arson.

[brett friggin favre]

who doesn't like a jester?

---------- Post added at 10:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:16 AM ----------

I can see what your saying....
but don't all criminals want to divert attention from themselves?

which is why i said asking for faith in a mafia game is usually a bad move...but if you follow my logic i think you'll see that it's our only shot because we simply don't have time to kill for info.

mass confirmed as well as cyber that there's an arson. so we know there's an arson. logically it can't be a mafia arson. only way we'd be working together and one of us is mafia is if we're both mafia and cyber got doused. if that's the case then when the arson burns cyber, if he's mafia then so am i. that's 2 mafia down, the 3rd would be easy to find by that point, game over town wins, and that involves no lynching of either of us tonight.

other case, cyber and i are telling the truth, there's no time to fuck around and no room to lynch other town members because we have no truly solid leads on mafia and 2 killers, mafia and arson. in either scenario, lynching me is a bad call and the best and only move the rest of you can make is to have faith in these claims...scummy as that sounds. personally i have little to lose if i'm honest, but i'm told my words are my weapon so i figure i gotta try to use them as best as i can.

---------- Post added at 12:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:30 PM ----------

also a smart arson goes after me now, or masskid. if we're all together, town will win because of him.

[Chikun]

I think the largest threat to mafia is the arsonist, if it exists, and people revealing their investigative role this early bodes ill for town.

This night will give us a lot of information.

[کhд₫ðw]

agreed

[SCRIBBLE]

Vote shadow

[Chikun]

As far as mafia role are concerned I have the opinion that there's:

A godfather (obviously)
A Framer (Blackmage's role and alignment wasn't revealed the first night)
And either a target switcher or a role blocker (I'm leaning towards a target switcher)

In the interest of keeping things moving I'll make the last vote on whoever, provided it's not completely retarded, but I'd recommend for the various investigators to verify the likelihood that Brett, Cyber, and Masskid aren't bullshitting bullshitters.

[کhд₫ðw]

why you vote me?

[SCRIBBLE]

Why not?

[کhд₫ðw]

now who's the jester?

[brett friggin favre]

is every answer gonna be a question with you two?

[CYBER]

lynching me is dumb. when we have an arson and a mafia kill we're effectively losing 2 people per night unless we find the arson. mafia arson AND mafia kill? unlikely. as long as mafia lives, they're going to have a night kill. but if we can eliminate the arson, we save 2-3 people depending on when he ignites them. arson is our #1 priority so following a strategy which involves lynching an innocent person to confirm other innocents is a very bad idea. we simply don't have time considering the killers involved in the game. shadow's just trying to get a lynch and do enough to not get modkilled.......helloooo?

anywho i think my point here was that you gotta know cyber wouldn't have claimed what he did unless he had a deathwish or is telling the truth. the arson now knows he's confirmed town, and knows he successfully doused cyber. that makes cyber VERY vulnerable, and the friendly neighbor claim is extremely convenient to bring out fellow mafia if he was one. so what we have now is arson and mafia on the same page and that's lethal. lynching me, if there was either no mafia kill or no serial killer, would be a good idea. but in this case there needs to be some trust here. cyber will reach out to someone else tonight. announcing who it will be is dumb as fuck, it paints a target on them and if they die, it incriminates cyber because "oh he died thats why he didn't confirm me" is a perfectly convenient excuse. at that point, mafia wins because you'll waste a day lynching cyber to see he's confirmed town, there will be another mafia kill that night, a 3rd person doused/2 ignited, and you'll have almost no information.

our only chance is that you trust cyber's claim along with mine, and that cyber not announce who he'll reveal to. i realize how shady it is to ask for faith in a mafia game but ffs it's our only chance with this kill rate. we don't have time to dilly dally lynching people sheerly for info, we gotta find the threats and eliminate them ASAP.

THIS.

I honestly couldn't have said it better.

@Scribble,
even if shadow is a fucking jester, HE wins the mini game, but the game still goes... also, we're only 12 players... having 2 mafia AND an arsonist AND jester as a basic setup just seems very ANTI-town... no way he's jester.. and even if he was, we better lynch HIM over a townie.

Chikun,
I know that Brett being a Godfather or whatever is very likely to fuck with your head, but all I can say is that it's very unlikely he is...

Also, it just came to mind that the target switcher (busdriver) might take an opportunity to swap brett with himself if he's a mafia.
All i can say that if the busdriver is TOWN, don't be a moron, and stay away from swapping brett tonight because if you accidentally swap him with a mafia, unless you claimed tomorrow, u're effectively dooming town...
If you are a mafia busdriver... well fucking fuck me sideways because I literally have no idea what to do then if he swaps himself with brett... unless he gets roleblocked...

So roleblocker,
dont roleblock:mikey, me, aco, masskid as we are the ones that are bringing the info tonight.

Feel free to chose to block from Taz, scribble, brett, sin, and (who the fuck is still playing btw?) to roleblock.
This way, since one of u might be a roleblocker, u have 1/3 chances to hit a busdriver (saving brett and i from a possible setup if he's mafia or idiot) AND 1/3 chances to block the arsonist, and we'd know tomorrow if somoene got doused or burned, and therefore, we would know if you actually locked down the arsonist.

so roleblocker, 2/3 chance to block the right person if u block 1 of the the latter 4, not the people clearing info tonight. Be smart about it, the odds are in ur favor.


I'm going to work now and might miss the end of day...

@Firefighter, nay MASSKID!!!! ...
don't screw me over on this, protect me tonight so that the arson is forced to DOUSE someone else or fail at burning me. This way tomorrow,if the doused person is a power role, u can protect HIM instead of me, with the chance of finding out woh the arson is.

[taz1stP]

well why would we waste his power on u if u have a usless role wouldnt it make more since to let the arson go after u and have the fire fighter work on other people to see if he cant single out who is good and who is not

[کhд₫ðw]

Are you so sure that you're the only info gatherers here?

---------- Post added at 02:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:15 PM ----------

a jester has many tricks up his sleeve and not all are fun and games.

[SCRIBBLE]

This is boring... I am tired of reading the same shit over and over.

[کhд₫ðw]

I'm waiting till night time

[Masskid]

well why would we waste his power on u if u have a usless role wouldnt it make more since to let the arson go after u and have the fire fighter work on other people to see if he cant single out who is good and who is not
what?


This Arsonist's Night Action is to prime a target player. Its secondary action is to ignite all primed players, killing them all at once.
right now he is the only one that is doused which means he is the only one who can burn aka the only one who needs protection from the arsonist

also even if he is a useless townie he is still a townie vote and we need more townie votes to win >.>

[SCRIBBLE]

So you can read the same shit in the dark? Someone provide something convincing AND entertaining. Until then my vote sticks on shadow.

---------- Post added at 05:32 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:31 PM ----------

My post directed at shadow

[What]

This is boring... I am tired of reading the same shit over and over.

No time limit FTW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)!!!

[CYBER]

well why would we waste his power on u if u have a usless role wouldnt it make more since to let the arson go after u and have the fire fighter work on other people to see if he cant single out who is good and who is notare you even asking this question? Arsonist douses people in gaz first THEN ignites. I am currently the only one targetted by the arsonist. The firefighter should protect ME. Even if i am a useless townie, i am a TOWNIE, and the firefighter's role is served best protecting ME from burning tonight rather than randomly protect someone else who might not even get doused! And even IF someone else got doused, it still guarantees no townies are buned today if the arson decides to kill 1 by 1. ----- when day 2 comes, IF a power role is doused, we would know about it, then by all means that statement of yours will make sense and i will gladly burn while the doused power role is protected from burning... You get it now? Also, i just noticed that masskid essentially said what i just said (derp) so at least i feel safer knowing the claied firefighter is paying attention... And no one else counter claimed firefighter when im 100% there's an arson:)

---------- Post added at 05:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:42 PM ----------


No time limit FTW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)!!!tell that to tom lol... He seems to think that unlimited time is best-.- lol.... Also, nemesis can we get a vote count please?

[کhд₫ðw]

Scribble the thing is that we need night so we can do the things we gotta do to get info, and it gotta switch time sometime soon.

[SCRIBBLE]

Someone is awfully eager to go to night time.

[CYBER]

Someone is awfully eager to go to night time.

so i'm not the only one noticing this right?


@Shadow, there's a 95% chance that you are dead by the end of this day, and wont have a chance to go till night phase.
Do you mind telling us what your role is?

Whether you claim it or not, you'll probably die with your role, and we can then read it out... but maybe if you tell us what your role is , we can guess why you've been inactive and un-willing to help your own survival...

NEMESIS: WAKE UP AND GIVE US A VOTE COUNT U CUNT (trying to speak your language) <3

[Nemesis]

Blade is keeping a nice vote count on the first page. He also has day and night events there.

---------- Post added at 05:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:56 PM ----------

5 for Shadow
2 for Brett
1 for cyber and chikun

[Sin]

Just to get this retarded circular argument over, I'll change my vote so we can move on to this night which I'll probably die in... -.-

Unvote Chikun
Vote Shadow

I'll have you faggots know, I still think Chikun is the fucking pyro.

[Nemesis]

That's enough. I'm currently subjecting minorities but ill be home close to 11 and will post the scene then. Day is over though. No talking.

[BladeTwinSwords]

That is a lynch!

Hope you made the right choice.

[CYBER]

Just to get this retarded circular argument over, I'll change my vote so we can move on to this night which I'll probably die in... -.-

Unvote Chikun
Vote Shadow

I'll have you faggots know, I still think Chikun is the fucking pyro.
we'll see if he's the pyro tomorrow as our suspect pool will be cut in half.

[کhд₫ðw]

I'm the Interrogation Expert (Town Jail Keeper) and I'm eager to visit someone to see if they're a mafia member. believe me or not, I'm a townie

[Nemesis]

I'm the Interrogation Expert (Town Jail Keeper) and I'm eager to visit someone to see if they're a mafia member. believe me or not, I'm a townie

No talking means shut the fuck up you stupid cunt. You didn't do shit for two day NOW you talk? You had your chance no be quiet.

[کhд₫ðw]

Thank you guys I'm dead and I could've helped you out ........

[Nemesis]

Thank you guys I'm dead and I could've helped you out ........

Well I hope you enjoyed your short time here, it's your last.

[کhд₫ðw]

Damn you mafia
good luck townies

[BladeTwinSwords]

Shadow, they lynched you because you did LITERALLY nothing to help them.

Had you revealed your role, you probably would have survived.

[کhд₫ðw]

I was hinting

---------- Post added at 03:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:28 PM ----------

plus they probably wouldn't of believed me

[What]

I was hinting

---------- Post added at 03:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:28 PM ----------

plus they probably wouldn't of believed me

You are awful, try This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)

[What]

what ever cya guys ill do better in another mafia game
still good luck to all the townies

No, you realize you need to shut up after the lynch vote, same issue I had in my game, you may have had some ability or circumstance that would have kept you alive or done something else, who knows? Just sit back and let the scene come, don't be posting shit until you have all of the information.

[Nemesis]

Sigh... Shadow just tried to send me his night one actions.

[What]

Sigh... Shadow just tried to send me his night one actions.

Did, did it work?

[CYBER]

Sigh... Shadow just tried to send me his night one actions.

LOL...
when i got him in game, he told me he played this before... clearly he's still new at how shit works -.-
oh well, at least he gave us the minimum player count...

What, this is an homage to you:
ZZZZzzzzWolfyYourColdDeadBodyFeelsSmoothLikeSilkHm mmmmmmZzzzzzz

[taz1stP]

so when is the lynching going down?

[brett friggin favre]

That's enough. I'm currently subjecting minorities but ill be home close to 11 and will post the scene then. Day is over though. No talking.

.....

[Nemesis]

The votes are in, the rope is set.

Shadow, the Interrogation Expert (Town Jailkeeper) has been lynched.

It is now night Two. Send in your actions.

[CYBER]

The votes are in, the rope is set.

Shadow, the Interrogation Expert (Town Jailkeeper) has been lynched.

It is now night Two. Send in your actions.

ZZZzzzFuckYouShadowYouAFKfuck<3Zzzzz

ZZZZ? mmm??? no mom, I have no school, i'm 24 ffs, let me sleep! ZZZzzzzzz

[acolyte_to_jippity]

**out of game talk: i just finished working 14 hours at my job. that's 6 hours more than i expected. jesus fuck, i come back to 9 pages of basically nothigng.


oh yeah,

zzzzzzzzihateya'llzzzzzzz

[taz1stP]

why did shadow get such a good fucking role i mean cmon what is this

[Nemesis]

why did shadow get such a good fucking role i mean cmon what is this

This is night, which means keep your inbred mouth shut.

[PA SYSTEM]

so whats the mafia up to tonight

[acolyte_to_jippity]

so whats the mafia up to tonight

who the fuck are you?

[Nemesis]

who the fuck are you?

No talking at night Aco.

[PA SYSTEM]

i am the ships pa system

[Chikun]

ZzzzTryingRealHardToSleepHereKeepTheNoiseLevelDown zzzZ

[Masskid]

why did shadow get such a good fucking role i mean cmon what is this
zZz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENjKi7NkTNEZzZ

[CYBER]

i am the ships pa system

i always wondered what would happen if bots hijacked out thread...
Then again, we've been through blade's gimp posts...

Also PA system, GTFO this thread is exclusive for certain players only.
thanks.

[What]

ZzZzZzZ..whoever recommended him for this game should be black listed.ZzZzZzZ

[acolyte_to_jippity]

No talking at night Aco.

you're right, i am sorry.

@PA system
zzzzzzzzzwhothefuckareyou?zzzzzzz

[PA SYSTEM]

I am in the game, this is how i use my ability.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I am in the game, this is how i use my ability.

**out-of-game: can we get a mod to confirm this is legit? not who it is, but if this is actually someone in the game and not just some random fuck screwing with us? i have a feeling it's some useless cuntwad.

[taz1stP]

*** out of game *** if it was someone it would probably the person who gave the roles to people which i believe was nem unless cyber did as well

[Nemesis]

I confirm its all good.

[Sin]

zzzzDudeonthePAsystemisafaggotzzzz

[Nemesis]

Also everyone can ignore Shadow. Despite multiple warnings he continues to break rules. I assume because he has Down's syndrome. He no longer has any part in this game and any post from him should be ignored.

Shadow, you are no longer welcome to play these games here.

[Sin]

((OOC)) I don't think you should blacklist him, this is his first game obviously. If you recall, you were all retards when you first started.

[Chikun]

((OOC)) I don't think you should blacklist him, this is his first game obviously. If you recall, you were all retards when you first started.

ZzzzRetards who knew how to follow rules.zzzZ

[Masskid]

((OOC)) I don't think you should blacklist him, this is his first game obviously. If you recall, you were all retards when you first started.
wait.... when did we Graduate

[taz1stP]

zzz zzzz whens day zzz zzzz

[Nemesis]

All actions were received within 24 hours. Thanks everyone for being on the ball. Scene coming in a few unless the game goes into overtime.

[Nemesis]

Your second night wasn't as quiet as your first, in more ways than one.
Suspicions were raised throughout the day, some warranted, some faulty.
After the lynchee was cut down, some were none too happy with his actions.
One in particular waited around for the others to depart, and decided to get some payback.

Brett was too busy finishing his buisness to notice the shadows moving, and it was much too
late when he saw a flash in the darkness. As the bullet struck him, the flash was the last he saw.

"It smells like shit in here." Muttered one of the shadows to another, as they look down on what Brett
had done. "No matter, we're done here for tonight." Replied another.

Brett Favre, a Colonist (Vanilla Townie) has been killed.

Day Three Begins

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

sweet.

we can confirm a bus driver or at LEAST a redirector.

[brett friggin favre]

*from the grave*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAAAAAA that slut's coming your way, nem.

[Masskid]

sweet.

we can confirm a bus driver or at LEAST a redirector.

?? I feel dumb :( whatchu mean??

---------- Post added at 11:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:18 PM ----------

@cyber, sorry man but no protection for you tonight

[acolyte_to_jippity]

?? I feel dumb :( whatchu mean??

---------- Post added at 11:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:18 PM ----------

@cyber, sorry man but no protection for you tonight

cyber actually does not have a gun, so that means somehow my first night's action (investigating cyber's 2nd amendment status) was redirected to someone else.

[Rapedollar$]

nem, let me know if you want any posts modded out... i already moded out shadow's post lynch posts

[Nemesis]

nem, let me know if you want any posts modded out... i already moded out shadow's post lynch posts

awesome! thanks man. I'll let you know if anything comes up.

[Masskid]

cyber actually does not have a gun, so that means somehow my first night's action (investigating cyber's 2nd amendment status) was redirected to someone else.
Ahh ok, at first I thought you meant it was in the scene... I was reading it over and over.

Hey, would a framer also give you a positive return on owning a gun? Also if you got roleblocked would you get an answer?

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Ahh ok, at first I thought you meant it was in the scene... I was reading it over and over.

Hey, would a framer also give you a positive return on owning a gun? Also if you got roleblocked would you get an answer?

not sure. framers ARE mafia, but they're not goons. possibly?

and no, i wolnd't get an answer if i was blocked (though redirected i'd get something.)

[Masskid]

I mean if cyber was framed would that give you a positive on him wielding a gun, or is it only a cop thing?? If he was framed night one that would explain the positive result... that would also mean everyone and their mom hates cyber xD ie: doused, framed, what's next? Stabbed in the back?? Anywho with Brett being a townie is it confirmed that cyber is friendly neighbor??

@cyber who did you confirm with this time

[acolyte_to_jippity]

I mean if cyber was framed would that give you a positive on him wielding a gun, or is it only a cop thing?? If he was framed night one that would explain the positive result... that would also mean everyone and their mom hates cyber xD ie: doused, framed, what's next? Stabbed in the back?? Anywho with Brett being a townie is it confirmed that cyber is friendly neighbor??

@cyber who did you confirm with this time

it should be simple to tell who he confirmed with...

considering how i was denying the definitive existence of a bus driver or redirector...until this past night...

[Masskid]

it should be simple to tell who he confirmed with...

considering how i was denying the definitive existence of a bus driver or redirector...until this past night...
Well you could have checked him again... then again wasting a 2nd check on cyber would be stupid and we all know you're not shadow

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Well you could have checked him again... then again wasting a 2nd check on cyber would be stupid and we all know you're not shadow

he had 3 possible targets to reveal to. i figured he woulnd't reveal to chikun, because chikun is probably arson and thus would be a waste of a reveal. and since between the two of us, (me and scribble), i had the most plausable story (and evidence to back it up) i was pretty sure he'd choose me.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

Vote Masskid

You dirty liar. There is no arsonist or firefighter.

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well at any rate, masskid is a liar. Im 100% positive he is anti town. I also believe the PA system is blackmage. He never officially died. Perhaps he is back as a restless spirit now. Aco, what were your investigation results?

---------- Post added at 02:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:26 AM ----------

i take back there not being a fire fighter or arsonist. it is still possible. the only thing that changes i guess is that masskid is not the fire fighter, he lied to cover his skin. Took a false claim he knew someone wouldn't want to counter claim so early in the game.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Vote Masskid

You dirty liar. There is no arsonist or firefighter.

---------- Post added at 02:26 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:23 AM ----------

well at any rate, masskid is a liar. Im 100% positive he is anti town. I also believe the PA system is blackmage. He never officially died. Perhaps he is back as a restless spirit now. Aco, what were your investigation results?

---------- Post added at 02:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:26 AM ----------

i take back there not being a fire fighter or arsonist. it is still possible. the only thing that changes i guess is that masskid is not the fire fighter, he lied to cover his skin. Took a false claim he knew someone wouldn't want to counter claim so early in the game.

o.O that is the most flawed jump in logic i've ever seen.

"this guy is lying!"
"he may not be, BUT HE'S STILL GUILTY"

and 'ill hold the results of my investigation to myself for right now. i want some others to weigh in on shit first.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

o.O that is the most flawed jump in logic i've ever seen.

"this guy is lying!"
"he may not be, BUT HE'S STILL GUILTY"

and 'ill hold the results of my investigation to myself for right now. i want some others to weigh in on shit first.how is it flawed, i said im 100% positive he is anti town, that he lied about being a fire fighter, and that is may or may not be possible that an arsonist still exsists in this game. If you are defending masskid then you mine as well consider your self an enemy of town.

[Sin]

how is it flawed, i said im 100% positive he is anti town, that he lied about being a fire fighter, and that is may or may not be possible that an arsonist still exsists in this game. If you are defending masskid then you mine as well consider your self an enemy of town.

Why would you jump to a conclusion like that? Especially since we don't even know if anyone else has been doused yet for certain? If anything, the only thing that this past night truly confirms is that Brett wasn't lying about Cyber being a Freindly Neighbor. I'm goin' to sleep will catch up tomorrow.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

also, let me explain to you why i think there being an arsonist is extremely unlikely.

1. we have yet to see a death.
2. a second person has yet to claim they have been doused
3. masskid is not the firefighter (this is 100% fact)
4. blade replied to chikun with, Chikun, a standard 12 Person Mafia game is either 9:3 or 8:3:1
This means, there is only one third party player. That third party player was wolf (hallwagner) he is already dead.
that means the arsonist would have to be mafia again, that is highly unlikely because it was nem who disagreed with the arsonist
being mafia last game.

If another players comes forward and can claim they were doused, ill believe there is an arsonist for now.

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sin, you have to trust me on that bold accusation. i have never been more sure of something in these games, then this.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

also, let me explain to you why i think there being an arsonist is extremely unlikely.

1. we have yet to see a death.
2. a second person has yet to claim they have been doused
3. masskid is not the firefighter (this is 100% fact)
4. blade replied to chikun with, Chikun, a standard 12 Person Mafia game is either 9:3 or 8:3:1
This means, there is only one third party player. That third party player was wolf (hallwagner) he is already dead.
that means the arsonist would have to be mafia again, that is highly unlikely because it was nem who disagreed with the arsonist
being mafia last game.

If another players comes forward and can claim they were doused, ill believe there is an arsonist for now.

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sin, you have to trust me on that bold accusation. i have never been more sure of something in these games, then this.

oh im' not defending him, i'm simply getting suspicious of you and your seemingly unfounded accusations.

[Chikun]

Ok, this proved to give more information than anticipated.

1.) Cyber is town
2.) There is a firefighter therefore an arsonist (the fact that it wasn't second guessed so far leads to masskid which would make him town since he claimed firefighter and cyber being confirmed town wouldn't lie about being doused)
3.) There is a possibility of a role switcher, that possibility leading to Aco's innocence unless he was creating smoke, (target switcher role most likely mafia due to Brett's innocence)

As an aside since they (mafia) decided to kill Brett, which actually help confirm my theories, I believe Masskid and Cyber are town 100%.

This leads me to rethink Mikey's assertions and assume guilt on me, mikey, sin, scribble, and others who I'm to drunk to name specifically since there is no proof unless an investigation role were to be announced which I would not recommend.

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The fact that Brett being named as town would give him no reason to make up Cyber being the neighbor and and claiming to being doused.

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So unless otherwise:

Cyber is 100% town
Masskid is 100% town (unless another firefighter role is claimed, though doubtful at this point)

That is the only definitive proof so far.

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As far as people still alive are concerned.

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I have to add, I lasted longer as a vanilla townie than Brett in the roman game so I win.

[CYBER]

also, let me explain to you why i think there being an arsonist is extremely unlikely.

1. we have yet to see a death.
2. a second person has yet to claim they have been doused[..]

If another players comes forward and can claim they were doused, ill believe there is an arsonist for now.


No mikey... you're wrong.
Here are the options:
1- true, no one has come out to claim dousing, but that means if we have a town roleblocker, he'd have disabled the real arson.
2- someone got doused and isn't saying, or soft claiming of dousing such as mass's comment of "cyber, sry, no protection for u tonight".. this would imply that maybe he needs to protect HIMSELF instead of me. that... or his ability is x-shot... and he's trying to let me know gently of that.
3- Read brett's death. Towards the end, 2 people (why "2"?) were talking over brett's body, and they said " it smells like shit here"... maybe it's the mod's subtle message that brett was the one who got doused tonight? I believe in a thing called Chikhov's Gun... There's no point of wasting text space in a scene on smthn useless unless it means smthn... i would know since i modded 2 games so far. So i STRONGLY believe that IN FACT, brett was the one who got doused, and that's why we might not get another dousing confirmation.

Besides mikey... i don't know why you keep saying there ISNT an arson... I'm telling you MYSELF that I got DOUSED. It's not that i had a "feeling" that there's an arson... i LITERALLY got a mod message that i got doused. And I am confirmed townie and i have no damn reason to lie about something that important...

Brett confirmed me as townie on day 1. He died and he was a townie. This ALONE should confirm me as a townie for everyone. I also asked the mod to confirm me as a townie to Aco because aco had a gun on me last day. And i figured that if mikey investigated me, he'll get an innocent nway, so i might as well confirm with the guy who accused me of having a gun because that would confirm that there's a bus driver in the game... and since he's yet to come forward? he's most likely a mafia member and he's trying to frame people who would most likely be investigted... -> me.






sin, you have to trust me on that bold accusation. i have never been more sure of something in these games, then this.
Ok mikey, time to spill your beans. Yesterday you got off a lynch by claiming cop not-so subtly ...

What bugs me is that it was obvious to everyone that you claimed cop, so what bugs me is that BRETT died... instead of you.

What gives? Why not go after the claimed cop?
At first I thought that since our doctor Shadow died (jailkeeper in the game denies the existence of a doc on same side), that we would end up losing our cop tonight without ANY confirmations of who's nice or who's naughty...
and yet... you come out alive?

Neither the arson nor the mafia killed out?
Something is off... either you're not a cop, and you're a mafia that didn't kill himself, and lucked out by the fact that the arson went after someone more important to him (or vice versa)? or i really don't know how u managed to survive the night with no doc protection...

so explain yourself NOW please. Who did you investigate, and who is confirmed townie or evil. you had 2 days to investigate 2 people, thats 1/4 of the population now.
Talk now because you might have gotten out (weirdly) alive today, but god knows if u'll be here tomorrow, so at least we'd know what u know.

[Chikun]

Cyber, my advise since I am now your advocate, I would be mindful of Masskid since Blackmage was killed and he could have been the real firefighter. It's unlikely, in fact, very unlikely, but don't rule it out.

You have literally no reason to trust me so I ask you not to trust anyone.

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I'm also suspicious of Mikey since he is most vocal in what I see as bullshit.

[CYBER]

oh im' not defending him, i'm simply getting suspicious of you and your seemingly unfounded accusations.

Aco, you're a gunsmith... you can act like a cop sometimes in small-setups...

You know i confirmed with you, you know i'm 100% guaranteed town, and this me telling you that I DONT TRUST MIKEY.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt last night bcos he claimed cop... but he's yet to provide accurate info. And he's just all-over all the time... making no sense with his posts...

Aco, i need you to investigate mikey tonight, and see if he really is a cop because something smells fishy in here.

If you clear him with a gun after he's claiming to be a cop, then we have no reason to doubt him and maybe i can finally let me guard down slightly.. but until then... mikey's never gonna make my friends list in this game...


Also, I STRONGLY believe that the arson is chikun... i'm sry man, but this is not just a gut feeling...
I thought at first that masskid was bullshitting his ass off, so i told him to protect me tonight... i actually thought i'd be dead by tonight, but this lets me think maybe masskid did in fact protect me from burning...
This also adds the possibility that the arson actually ignited yesterday, hence the smell of shit nearby in the scene, this would mean that masskid was in fact the firefighter...

This leads me to you... you're the one that got masskid's claim first... we talked about having an arson in game, but all you could do was keep asking the cop to investigate brett and to kill brett in order to confirm he's not a godfather...
What if u're actually the arson and worried about the fact that if brett is a godfather, then u wouldnt be able to kill him at night... and not only that, but by asking the cop to investigate brett or me, you're buying urself another night without being investigated...


guys, i strongly believe Chikun is arson. If he isn't... then masskid's been lying to me all along and it would be him..


mikey? i don't trust you... i'm saying it straightforward.. and i want you to claim everyone who is innocent or guilty NOW.
Or else I'm gonna move my following vote OFF of chikun, and onto YOU.

I have to go to sleep and then i have an exam monday morning to study for... if i don't come back, i'm voting for chikun ... him, mikey and masskid are on my shitlist currently (masskid im sry... but u're actually the "least" likely to have made it there in respect to the other 2)

VOTE CHIKUN

[Chikun]

It would be detrimental for town to do so Cyber until someone claimed to be doused.

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The others will do what they will but make note of who is the biggest advocate of my demise.

[CYBER]

Cyber, my advise since I am now your advocate, I would be mindful of Masskid since Blackmage was killed and he could have been the real firefighter. It's unlikely, in fact, very unlikely, but don't rule it out.

You have literally no reason to trust me so I ask you not to trust anyone.

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I'm also suspicious of Mikey since he is most vocal in what I see as bullshit.

That's why i was trying to see if masskid was rly a firefighter or not..
had i burst into flame, he'd have been known to be lying.

Also, I doubt blackmage was a firefighter.
Keep in mind that there was no role posted, so unless the firefighter happened to have gotten him without dousing him on night ONE, and then know it was the firefighter and take his role...
yeah.. it's almost impossible for masskid to claim firefighter knowing that no one will counterclaim..

In fact, the ONLY reason why masskid made my fucking shit list to begin with is because.. wait for it... MIKEY seems to be 100% sure he's the arson...

So guys, here's 3-way ultimatum:


Chikun is the arson if my gut feeling and previous post was right.

and here's the if-else statement:
mikey claims masskid is guilty... if mikey investigated masskid and he was guilty, then mikey is the cop and masskid is the arson who claimed the firefighter role by luck

if masskid is innocent, then mikey is NOT a cop and simply fucking with us right now to buy time by getting someone else targetted instead of him...

Honestly? Mikey? you don't look too good at the moment.
especially since chikun's post and my post above actually proves masskid to be INNOCENT as far as we know...


You STILL insist that there is NO ARSON?? WTF? im telling you there IS an arson... i got doused ffs...you're stalling and u know it...
and i'm almost sure u're lying about being the cop...
why would u claim being a cop so easily? because u never actually claimed..

WE ASSUMED you were the cop, and since no real cop counter claimed u (for wtvr fucking reasons), then u just went with it after testing the waters... ESPECIALLY since there's a gunsmith in the game...which is equivalent to a cop in some classic games.

In fact... I'm gonna FORCE YOU to fucking claim because so far you have just been digging your hole deeper...
SHIT LIST = 75% MIKEY + 25& Chikun...

Unvote Chikun
VOTE Mikey.
(claim now mikey. that's your cue.)

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It would be detrimental for town to do so Cyber until someone claimed to be doused.

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The others will do what they will but make note of who is the biggest advocate of my demise.

i'm putting you on hold chikun...
honestly? i think u ARE the arson... that's just what i think, i cant prove it... i'll give you that... but my gut feeling is screaming to me that u're the arson...

That being said? mikey's more of a threat to town than he's ever been...
he claimed cop, but never claimed anyone's innocence... or guiltyness...

he's been advocating the lack of arson-existence??? WTF? after all those proof?
he's insisting that masskid is the arsonist or mafia ( i forgot what "evil-title" he used to him) but never confirmed that it was by investigation...
And why investigate MASSKID if that's the case?



Mikey... u're lying... or u're dumb... one of the 2 . pick. and either hardclaim cop + prove it by announcing innocents/guilty, or hang by the rope.

[Chikun]

My theory is that as I stated before there is a mafia janitor that used his 1-shot ability to hide Blackmage's role. The reason I said to not rule out Masskid claiming firefighter is that there is no 100% certainty since whatever role Blackmage had is a wildcard.

The chance is low, guaranteed, but not nonexistent as well as any role anyone claims which is why I'm hesitant to divulge my (meager/important) role.

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Mikey... u're lying... or u're dumb... one of the 2 . pick. and either hardclaim cop + prove it by announcing innocents/guilty, or hang by the rope.

This.

[taz1stP]

i dont know if cyber wasnt doused then that would make cyber and mass mafia with one other somewhere. so i say we cut the head off the smart one. vote cyber

[CYBER]

i dont know if cyber wasnt doused then that would make cyber and mass mafia with one other somewhere. so i say we cut the head off the smart one. vote cyber

...

Are you fucking MENTAL taz?

You know what? i'm tired of rephrasing myself... can someone PLEASE explain to this guy who (apparently) doesn't read ANYTHING posted and realize that i'm the only confirmed fucking townie in this game?

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i swear... one of these days, i'm gonna rage sooo hard that i'm gonna bust a skull vein on these forums...

[taz1stP]

unvote cyber for now i will just follow the flow but im not so sure about u cyber vote mikey

[CYBER]

cyber and mass mafia with one other somewhere

ok... I'll just pretend that i'm talking with a person with intellect for a moment just in case someone other than Taz or Mikey reads this.

I am the only fucking confirmed townie in this game.
There has been a 3rd party (?) player dead from day 1 lynch ( That was wolf.)
There has been a confirmed arson in this game: BECAUSE I FUCKING SAID SO MIKEY. stop being a blind fuck for 1 second and realize that the only townie confirmed in this fucking game is telling you that he got doused on night 1 and that there's a figherfighter.

That's 2 3rd parties right off the bat.

In order to have a mafia faction to begin with, you need at LEAST 2 people, or else they're just serial killers with a cute name.

So let's do the math:
2 neutrals + 2 mafia = AT LEAST 4 evil guys in this game...

For the sake of argument, let's assume that Chikun is right about nemesis being OPPOSED to having the arson as a mafia member because he bitched at that the most last time.

There's only 9 of us left and only 2 townies died... + 1 unidentified one.
If mafia was THREE people, then that would boost the count of evil people to FIVE ...


on a setup this small, this is a VERY VERY unbalanced game because usually u'd want to have a max of 3/10 evils vs 7/10 townies because mafia members know eachother and have night kills and are already at an advantage.

TL;DR:
I did the math... we can safely assume there are only 2 mafia members alive (assuming blackmage wasn't one of the 2), and the arson alive.
We know that if we have an arson we must have a firefighter.

Evil members (out 2 mafia or 1 arson):
-Mikey.
-Chikun.
-unknown player between Taz (or maybe blackmage's undisclosed role...)


ACO, just in case mikey is just a retard and actually IS the cop (though highly doubt it), can you investigate him tonight please?

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also aco,
If mikey is lynched, I want you to investigate either chikun or masskid
( i wont say which exactly in case the leftover mafia is the bus driver...)

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because masskid not having a gun with confirm for sure that he's the firefighter and save him from a lynch in case we dnt find the arson in time.
and if chikun turns up with a knife/gun/blowtorch ... we'd have found another one.

[Masskid]

It would be detrimental for town to do so Cyber until someone claimed to be doused.

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The others will do what they will but make note of who is the biggest advocate of my demise.

Incase you missed my oh so sudden hint...

I GOT DOUSED...

[taz1stP]

how did mass get doused if he was a fire fighter ?

[Masskid]

how did mass get doused if he was a fire fighter ?
-Insert facepalm here-

[CYBER]

Incase you missed my oh so sudden hint...

I GOT DOUSED...

didn't i already say that like 5 posts ago?
You said
"Sry Cyber but no protection tonight"
hence me posting afterwards saying that either masskid has been lying about being the arson, OR he's been doused himself and cannot protect me the next night....


Mikey mikey ?
Guess who I just caught as the arson?

Sin ? Scribble? Aco? So far you 3 have been laying low slightly but the others have been pulling some maddd bs....

Do we know who the roleblocker (if any, blocked?)
because that would determine who IS and who ISNT the arson IF masskid did in fact... you know... get doused.

If we can get some info on that, then maybe we can determine who the arson is... and who is being framed as the arson all along, and well... whatever mikey's claim of the day is.

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i meant to say "either masskid is lying about being the firefighter, and is the arson . OR he's actually been doused tonight and cannot protect me bcos he gotta protect himself...)
If Mikey CONFIRMS his cop claim, then masskid is our arson (or mafia...) but most likely arson since he's been involved only in that side of the story.
if mikey's claim is BS, mikey is the arson...
Chikun.. u're wobbling left and right... what did you do last night? and night 1?

We had the "cop" claim, the doc die, the firefighter claim...
What the hell could u be so that u've yet to claim ffs?

[taz1stP]

well we could always just go down the list and see who isnt talking and posting little and see if we cant get them

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i think that we have 1 or 2 moves here lynch mikey and see if he was mafia and trying to frame or the arsonist or we go after mass no matter which way we go we will know who the arsonist is.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

ugh, sorry about not being around this morning, i worked 19 fucking hours the past 2 days.

cyber confirmed with me last night, i dropped hints as to that, hoping that stupid people might not pick up on it, but whatever.

also, chikun does NOT have any sort of gun. he might still be arsonist.

cyber, i'm not going to be able to investigate mickey if we lynch him, but i think i'll go along with lynching him since he's been acting suspicious this whole time.

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fml,

​VOTE MIKEY, BITCHES

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...that color isn't quite dark enough.


vote mickey/mikey, bitches.

[SCRIBBLE]

Unless he has something to say this vote will stick...

​Vote mikey

[Masskid]

I hope he is Arsonist so i can just relax

Vote Mikey

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That makes 5/9 on mikey O.o so lynch?

[taz1stP]

lynch and hope he is not townie and if he is then mass ur next

[CYBER]

ugh, sorry about not being around this morning, i worked 19 fucking hours the past 2 days.

cyber confirmed with me last night, i dropped hints as to that, hoping that stupid people might not pick up on it, but whatever.

also, chikun does NOT have any sort of gun. he might still be arsonist.

cyber, i'm not going to be able to investigate mickey if we lynch him, but i think i'll go along with lynching him since he's been acting suspicious this whole time.

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fml,

​VOTE MIKEY, BITCHES

---------- Post added at 12:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:34 PM ----------

...that color isn't quite dark enough.


vote mickey/mikey, bitches.

wait, so you investigated Chikun yesterday ? since u investigated me day 1?
and no gun?

kk, he might be the arsonist indeed.
unless mikey is.

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I hope he is Arsonist so i can just relax

Vote Mikey

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That makes 5/9 on mikey O.o so lynch?

ah.. crap.. is it a lynch nemesis?

Could we get a vote count?

Also, aco, answer my question before day ends !! lol

[taz1stP]

we have mass, scrib, me, cyber, aco thats the 5 for mikey time to get it over with

[acolyte_to_jippity]

wait, so you investigated Chikun yesterday ? since u investigated me day 1?
and no gun?

kk, he might be the arsonist indeed.
unless mikey is.

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ah.. crap.. is it a lynch nemesis?

Could we get a vote count?

Also, aco, answer my question before day ends !! lol

what question? i investigated chikun. and he has no gun. however i do not know who to investigate tonight. it won't conut anyway, since i'll just be redirected to cyber if it's mafia.

[CYBER]

what question? i investigated chikun. and he has no gun. however i do not know who to investigate tonight. it won't conut anyway, since i'll just be redirected to cyber if it's mafia.

i strongly suggest you investigate masskid.
It just occured to me that maybe chikun was right about masskid maybe pretending to be a firefighter...
if mikey turns out NOT the arson, then masskid is almost definitely is by the way i've seen things...
keep an eye out.

[SCRIBBLE]

Investigate chikun. Either mafia or arson

[BladeTwinSwords]

That is a lynch.

Death scene coming soon.

[CYBER]

i strongly suggest you investigate masskid.
It just occured to me that maybe chikun was right about masskid maybe pretending to be a firefighter...
if mikey turns out NOT the arson, then masskid is almost definitely is by the way i've seen things...
keep an eye out.

the scene mentionned a smell of shit.. which implied brett got doused...
but then again masskid claimed to be doused tonight... and no protection for me..
which is genius if mikey isnt arson...
bcos that means masskid is arson and he pretended to be firefighter. tonight i might burn btw. if i do, it's definitely masskid trust me.
bcos that means he was the arson and he wont burn himself bcos he doused brett and me, and he'll pretend to have protected himself as a firefighter, whne in fact, he's been dousing us all...

now how he'd manage to confirm a firefighter role without being CC'd.. i'll never know...
but u never know what blade and others can say...

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fuck fuck... i keep forgetting that we got the votes.... assuming taz knows how to count.

sry nem.
I wont psot after this... it was a very surprisingly short day... hence why im confused right now by not being able to post...

gd night bitches

[BladeTwinSwords]

Since Nem isn't on I'm just going to post the result.


Mikey was Retired Detective, Town Cop. He has been lynched!

Night 3 begins, send ME your actions.

[CYBER]

Since Nem isn't on I'm just going to post the result.


Mikey was Retired Detective, Town Cop. He has been lynched!

Night 3 begins, send ME your actions.

son of a bitch mikey... you fuckin tard.

i mean... zzzzz

[brett friggin favre]

oooOOOoooo...you lynch him without letting him defend himself...and he's the tard?....oooOOOOOooooOOoooo

[CYBER]

oooOOOoooo...you lynch him without letting him defend himself...and he's the tard?....oooOOOOOooooOOoooo

dude i was the first vote on him,... and then BAM 4 other votes poured in like clockwork over night...
he was playing shitty nways...hence the "tard".. but wtvr, im not gonna talk about the game bcos its night time...

just saying... i wasnt the final vote...
masskid was...



night u ghostly figure.

[Sin]

zzzzWhat the fuck I just woke up and the day is overzzzz

[Chikun]

ZzzzOhGodIDidn'tGetToPutInMy2CentszzZ

[PA SYSTEM]

why didn't mikey tell us he was a cop? so i guess mass is the next to fall b/c before he died he did say that mass was anti town so lets kill him tom

[Nemesis]

Night 3 Over

Masskid, the Cosmonaut (Arsonist) has been killed.


Game Over

The mafia has removed all obstacles and has achieved a majority.


Congratulations

Cyber
SCRIBBLE
Sin

Your Mafia victors.


Roles and a run down of how poorly the town played coming in a few.

[Masskid]

wait... i was the only enemy?

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nvm read that wrong

[Nemesis]

1. DJ_MikeyRevile - TOWN COP
2. Wolfenstinger – HALLWAGNER
3. Cyber – MAFIA SPY
4. SCRIBBLE – MAFIA ROLEBLOCK
5. Acolyte_to_Jippity – TOWN GUNSMITH
6. Taz1stP – VT /W PA SYSTEM
7. Blackmage – VT
8. Brett Favre – VT
9. Masskid – ARSONIST
10. Chikun -TOWN DOCTOR
11. Sin – MAFIA JANITOR
12. Shadow – TOWN JAILKEEPER

7508

COP
You’re too God-damned old for this shit, and too God-damned tired. You’ve seen too many friends die for nothing as the big wigs and the brass did nothing to stymie the rise of corruption and organized crime. It made you sick, sick enough to leave everything behind.
As you look around the Stasis Pod at the faces that surround you your instincts start to kick in. Years on the force will do that to you. You’re retired, but you never really retire from the force, do you? The faces around you may look confused, but the eyes tell you something different. Not everyone here is what they claim to be. Good Morning Det. Rickard (Retired) you are a Retired Detective (Town Cop).
Ability: Each night you may investigate one of the colonists for information.
Win Condition: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.

DOCTOR
You’ve always enjoyed helping people. That fact alone is what got you through eight years of medical school. The $120,000 debt that fact helped rack up is part of the reason you left, the other part were the three men in a van who showed up three weeks after your loan should have been paid in full.
As you look around the Stasis Pod you immediately diagnose the eleven survivors, and solemnly observe the 18 others who unfortunately didn’t survive the harsh awakening. Although they may be the fortunate ones soon enough. Good Morning Dr. Earnhardt you are a Intern Physician (Town Doctor) .
Ability: Each night you may protect one other person from being shot or stabbed to death.
Win Condition: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.

GUNSMITH
“How can you shoot women and children?” They asked you. “Easy,” you replied, “you just don’t lead them as much.” That’s why you’re here, because who else will take an accused child-killing, disgraced marine? You know you’re innocent, that you’ve taken the fall for others, but that doesn’t put food on the table, and it doesn’t help you sleep. You’ve seen shit, and that’s why you’re here; time for a new start.
Except the one constant in this galaxy seems to be how utterly fucked one human being can be to another, and friend, you’re surrounded by 25,000 of them.
You’re the first to your feet out of the Cryochamber, 14 years and a Jump Trooper will condition you to the sleep shock, and as you look around you at the 11 others struggling to orient themselves. Regardless of who these people are, your tours in the shit can tell you much about them, whether they want you know or not isn’t your problem. Rise and Shine SSgt. Edric (Dishonorably Discharged), you are a Jump Trooper (Town Gunsmith).
Ability: Each night you may investigate one person to see if they have a gun. Their alignment will still be a mystery to you as, hell it’s the future, anyone could have a gun.
Win Condition: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.

JAILKEEPER
You have a very specific set of skills. One which some can find useful from time to time, however everything comes to an end. That’s why you’re here; running from what you are and what you did, but will you find an escape? Or carve the same red swath that’s followed you as long as you can remember?
As you look around the Stasis Pod at the 11 others you wonder if you’ll be forced to use your skills here too, but at least you hope some good can come of it. Welcome Mr. White, you are a Interrogation Expert (Town Jail Keeper)(COLOR].
Ability: Every Night you may pay someone a “visit.” During this night that person will not be able to use their ability, nor will any ability succeed on them (roleblock + protect).
Win Condition: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.

VT
You came from humble beginnings but always dreamed of adventure, anything to get you off that damned farm. So here you are; 200 light years from every man, woman and cow you know.
As you look around the Stasis Pod at the 11 others you can’t help but feel you are woefully unprepared for what is to come. Hello Billy, you are a [COLOR="#00FF00"]Colonist (Vanilla Town).
Ability: Your ability is your vote; you weapons are your words. Use them wisely.
Win condition: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.

VT + PA SYSTEM
You came from humble beginnings but always dreamed of adventure, anything to get you off that damned farm. So here you are; 200 light years from every man, woman and cow you know.
As you look around the Stasis Pod at the 11 others you can’t help but feel you are woefully unprepared for what is to come... wait, wait a minute, how the hell were you able to hack into the comms? That’s not right. You shouldn’t have access to that! Charles, you are a Colonist with access to the ship PA SYSTEM (Town Crier).
Ability: Your ability is your vote; you weapons are your words. Use them wisely.
However, due to your hacking abilities, you were able to gain access to the ship’s PA SYSTEM. You may use the PA system at night to say whatever you’d like throughout the ship. Use it wisely…or irresponsibly, I don’t care.
Use IBIS forum login name: PA SYSTEM
Use Password: password
Win conditions: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.

HALLWAGNER
You don’t get a cool opening like everyone else. Mostly because everyone fucking hates you. You’re fat and probably black. Get cancer Hallwagner (Town Stupid Nigger)(COLOR].
Ability: None. Unless “Fat” is an ability…and it’s not.
Win conditions: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.

MAFIA ROLEBLOCKER
If anything can be said about you, it’s that you know your way around a cock. I don’t mean chickens either, throbbing man-cock. That’s all you. Those skills are what got you in with this group to begin with, now you belong to them. You do what you’re told, you get to eat, you don’t, well, let’s just say you’re not the first, but the only one here now.
As you look around the Stasis Pod you recognize your friends, the rest? Enemies. Or rather obstacles. They call you Candy, and you prefer the description [COLOR="#FF0000"]Syndicate Escort (Mafia Roleblocker) over more…colourful expressions.
Ability: Each night you may pay someone a “Visit”. They’ll be too encompassed in your “talents” they won’t be able to use any active abilities they may have. ALSO come to a consensus with your companions of one person to kill each night. You may chat with your companions at NIGHT ONLY. The Wet Work Expert performs the kill.
Win Conditions: Ensure there is no one left to oppose the Syndicate.
Your companions are:
Syndicate Wet Work Expert (Mafia Janitor)
Syndicate Emissary (Mafia Spy)

MAFIA JANITOR
You’ve been in “the business” for a while now. While the act itself turns your stomach, the clean-up doesn’t bother you anymore. Women, children, it doesn’t matter anymore, just another target, just another job, you even get weekends off, most of the time.
As you look around the Stasis Pod you recognize your friends, the rest? Enemies. Or rather obstacles. They call you Mr. Red, and you are a Syndicate Wet Work Expert (Mafia Janitor)
Ability: Disguise the role of one person killed each night THIS ABILITY CAN ONLY BE USED 2 TIMES and you will not learn the role of the victim. ALSO come to a consensus with your companions of one person to kill each night. You may chat with your companions at NIGHT ONLY. You perform the kill.
Win Conditions: Ensure there is no one left to oppose the Syndicate.
Your companions are:
Syndicate Escort (Mafia Roleblocker)
Syndicate Emissary (Mafia Spy)

MAFIA SPY
As it says in your CIA file: You’re one [redacted] with a [redacted] and [redacted] for a while now. While the [redacted] most of the time. Your favorite colour is [redacted]
As you look around the Stasis Pod you recognize your friends, the rest? Enemies. Or rather obstacles. They call you Mr. Black, and you are a Syndicate Emissary (Mafia Spy)
Ability: Each night you may have the mods send any player a msg. ALSO come to a consensus with your companions of one person to kill each night. You may chat with your companions at NIGHT ONLY. The Wet Work Expert performs the kill.
Win Conditions: Ensure there is no one left to oppose the Syndicate.
Your companions are:
Syndicate Escort (Mafia Roleblocker)
Syndicate Wet Work Expert (Mafia Janitor)

ARSONIST
Do you know what happens to a shuttle as it re-enters the atmosphere? The heat shield deflects temperatures over 2300°F. Do you know what happens to the man inside the shuttle when the shield fails? They say death by fire is the purest of deaths. Unfortunately for them, you didn’t die.
As you look around the Stasis Pod at the 11 others you see only one thing: sinners. Sinners that need to be cleansed. Cleansed by fire to be sure. Rise, rise and smell the ashes, you are, or were, a Cosmonaut (Arsonist).

Ability: Each night you may douse another in flammable liquid. Or you may choose to ignite all those you doused previously. You can only pick one action a night. For example, Night 1 you douse player A. Night 2 you ignite, player A dies. OR Night 1 you douse player A, night 2 you douse player B, Night 3 you use ignite, Players A and B die.
Win Conditions: Cleanse by fire all other survivors.

[Masskid]

Congrats mafia xD

[Wolfenstinger]

So... outta curiosity - had i lived... what would've possibly happened to me?

[brett friggin favre]

so cyber can confirm himself as town to a player each night. when he's mafia.

he was listed as Confirmed Innocent Friendly Neighbor. CONFIRMED. a MOD confirms innocent to me, with no use of my own powers, i FUCKING ASSUME THAT MEANS HE'S INNOCENT.

wtf is that shit?

[BladeTwinSwords]

Spy is a role used on Epic Mafia.

Too bad NO ONE had any clue that was used.

[brett friggin favre]

Spy is a role used on Epic Mafia.

Too bad NO ONE had any clue that was used.

i looked up every mafia role i could find. ya know, without looking on random ass forums and shit, specifically looking for a mafia role who could confirm himself to town as innocent. couldn't find anything.

that's fucking bullshit, idc where the fuck you get it from. he assumes NO FUCKING RISK (no PGO, no bomb, no chance of revealing himself to mafia since he's fucking mafia), and can CONFIRM HIMSELF INNOCENT TO ANYONE?!?!? how in the world would anyone think that is a remotely good idea in this setup? please, i wish to understand how people think on whatever planet you came from, it's fucking fascinating in the worst way possible.

[Nemesis]

THREE STARS:
3.Acolyte
2.Masskid
1.Cyber

THREE BUMS:
3. Mikey
2. Wolf
1. Shadow

WHY THE TOWN LOST:

1. You lynched Wolf first day. Townies are now 0-6 on random first day lynches, I'm wondering how long it will take for people to smarten up. Hallwagner was a hated townie, but unknown to everyone, including Wolf, he would slowly get better each day until he because useful for the town. It was a role that would require a player who could talk themselves out of a sticky situation, unfortunately it was randomed to Wolf, so that got thrown out the window quickly. If he survived the first day, wolf would have gotten a vest. If he survived the second day he would have gotten a vest he could have given to a friend. Third day would have allowed him an investigation. Fourth day would have given him a vigilante kill. Finally, if Wolf survived the fifth day, he would have taken Cyber's mother out for a night of Mexican food and German sex, which means he would have been immune to any and all actions taken against him. Very powerful, if he could have talked himself out of trouble.

2. Shadow was useless and unfortunately for everyone, got a very important role to the game. Jailkeeper would have roleblocked and protected a target at night. He was absent from the game and on par with Taz for intelligence.

3. Mikey as the Cop. Three of the town's top roles were held by the three bottom players. Everyone is starting to pick up on the fact that Mikey has no idea what he's doing and are starting to ignore everything he says. When he's the cop, that doesn't work out well for anyone.

4. Too many sheep. People just went along with whatever Cyber said. He confirms himself night one, and Acolyte was in the perfect spot to discredit him, as he knew he had a gun and therefore could not be a friendly neighbor. However it was just kind of accepted that, "oh well. I must be wrong." There was far too much of that this game. From now on people need to question each other more.

5. I felt Masskid was playing the role very well. He doused Cyber night one and took no action night two so he could claim he was doused. If the town haden't been utterly steamrolled Cyber was done for night three.




I would like to thank my co-mod Blade for all his help throughout this game and condradulate him on a job well done. Blade, thank you.

I would also like to thank all the players and I hope you had a fun game and will continue to play Mafia here at IBIS.

Special shout-out to Rape, who used his shiny mod-powers to clean up some filth, thanks man.

I also hope there were some people who didn't play who step up in future games. we always welcome new faces and I hope you liked what you saw. I'm always available to help new players and if anyone has questions about anything please msg me.

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i looked up every mafia role i could find. ya know, without looking on random ass forums and shit, specifically looking for a mafia role who could confirm himself to town as innocent. couldn't find anything.

that's fucking bullshit, idc where the fuck you get it from. he assumes NO FUCKING RISK (no PGO, no bomb, no chance of revealing himself to mafia since he's fucking mafia), and can CONFIRM HIMSELF INNOCENT TO ANYONE?!?!? how in the world would anyone think that is a remotely good idea in this setup? please, i wish to understand how people think on whatever planet you came from, it's fucking fascinating in the worst way possible.

Brett, we didn't confirm him of anything, the msg you were given was:

A note was found on your floor it reads:

"Whatever Cyber wants to say."

By no means are these my words. He could have said he was the Queen of England. Epic mafia is played by other people on this forum, the problem? they happened to be on the mafia side with Cyber, so they didn't call him out.

You were all too trusting of the msg, but after the game started there wasn't a whole lot I could do as I couldn't assist you or give you random hints.

[brett friggin favre]

Brett, we didn't confirm him of anything, the msg you were given was:

A note was found on your floor it reads:

"Whatever Cyber wants to say."

By no means are these my words. He could have said he was the Queen of England. Epic mafia is played by other people on this forum, the problem? they happened to be on the mafia side with Cyber, so they didn't call him out.

You were all too trusting of the msg, but after the game started there wasn't a whole lot I could do as I couldn't assist you or give you random hints.

there need to be limitations with a role like that, especially with no PGO/bomb. especially early in the game, people are looking for any info they can find. a confirmed townie is gold. like i said i looked for any role that would allow him to do that without actually being town, and turned up nothing. some crazy variation used once or twice and thrown into a setup where he has absolutely 0 risk is beyond boneheaded, idc what kind of justification you try to use. that role has no checks aside from being paranoid and not trusting any info you get from anyone, which makes the game a pointless exercise in waiting until you're slaughtered.

that role had no place in this setup, nor does it have any place in a community this inexperienced. period.

a check such as not being able to fakeclaim in the messages would've been more suitable.

[Nemesis]

there need to be limitations with a role like that, especially with no PGO/bomb. especially early in the game, people are looking for any info they can find. a confirmed townie is gold. like i said i looked for any role that would allow him to do that without actually being town, and turned up nothing. some crazy variation used once or twice and thrown into a setup where he has absolutely 0 risk is beyond boneheaded, idc what kind of justification you try to use. that role has no checks aside from being paranoid and not trusting any info you get from anyone, which makes the game a pointless exercise in waiting until you're slaughtered.

that role had no place in this setup, nor does it have any place in a community this inexperienced. period.

I understand your frustration; you were easily duped. But would you have been as trusting if there wasn't a previous game with such a role? I think not. This set up was created before that, and I said at the beginning that everyone should play this game without using what happened in others as a guide. There were also many clues and actions that would have thwarted Cyber, here they are:

1. Night one Aco finds out Cyber has a gun, instead of coming out that he's lying, he goes along with it.
2. Mikey, instead of doing something useful, goes on and on about how Blackmage is still alive...for some reason...I have no idea why...how much more clear can you get than "dead"?
3. Cyber was VERY adamant that he COULD NOT be investigated AT ALL. Was that not a huge red flag for anyone? I thought for sure he was fucked after he said that AND Aco investigated him.
4. Spy is used very often on Epic Mafia. most mafias come with one. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's some random bullshit concept.
5. You chose to trust a piece of paper you found on the floor.

[brett friggin favre]

yes, i trust a piece of paper that comes on the floor. a friendly neighbor can confirm himself to town in any way the mod sees fit. i figured that made sense. as for spy? http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor aka spy (mikeburnfire's definition is the same), has nothing to do with the role you provided. we've been using mafiascum roles for everything to this point......i see spy on there, i figure that's what a spy is, not some radically different and stupid OP role.

allow me to add, nem, that it seems to me the attitude you take to this game is "if it's technically legal, i can do it." in the first game, you asked tom for info that he shouldn't have given you. it was on him for giving it to you, but still you asked when there's no way he should ever tell you, and therefore no reason you should never ask. now you throw this role in with no checks, no risks, no balances, simply because it exists, and your excuse is that we shouldn't trust it? so we can't trust that, and if we can't trust that then we can't trust anything someone says, until after they're dead and their alignment/role is confirmed OH WAIT MAFIA HAD A JANITOR TOO. WHOOPS. so that leaves us with NO WAY TO GATHER INFO other than our own powers...and as a VT, i'm absolutely 100% worthless. actually with cyber's power, i'm a liability to town. so that makes 3 mafia, 1 arson, 3 vt all detrimental to town from the get-go, that's a majority. game fucking over right on the setup.

i will agree that town was pretty fucking dumb this game but it's also so blatantly mafia-stacked, that hardly mattered.

[Nemesis]

yes, i trust a piece of paper that comes on the floor. a friendly neighbor can confirm himself to town in any way the mod sees fit. i figured that made sense. as for spy? http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Traitor aka spy, has nothing to do with the role you provided. we've been using mafiascum roles for everything to this point......i see spy on there, i figure that's what a spy is, not some radically different and stupid OP role.

allow me to add, nem, that it seems to me the attitude you take to this game is "if it's technically legal, i can do it." in the first game, you asked tom for info that he shouldn't have given you. it was on him for giving it to you, but still you asked when there's no way he should ever tell you, and therefore no reason you should never ask. now you throw this role in with no checks, no risks, no balances, simply because it exists, and your excuse is that we shouldn't trust it? so we can't trust that, and if we can't trust that then we can't trust anything someone says, until after they're dead and their alignment/role is confirmed OH WAIT MAFIA HAD A JANITOR TOO. WHOOPS. so that leaves us with NO WAY TO GATHER INFO other than our own powers...and as a VT, i'm absolutely 100% worthless. actually with cyber's power, i'm a liability to town. so that makes 3 mafia, 1 arson, 3 vt all detrimental to town from the get-go, that's a majority. game fucking over right on the setup.

i will agree that town was pretty fucking dumb this game but it's also so blatantly mafia-stacked, that hardly mattered.

You're right that I should have taken into consideration that google is difficult to use. You want roles only from Mafia Scum? Here ya go: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mailman took me 30 seconds to find. Does it matter that I called it a Spy instead of mailman? No, because there's no way you would know anyways.

The janitor was an x-shot. Which was used once, on another VT.

I'm sorry if the only way you feel you can play is if you have some sort of magic powers, I will take that into consideration next time.

[brett friggin favre]

You're right that I should have taken into consideration that google is difficult to use. You want roles only from Mafia Scum? Here ya go: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mailman took me 30 seconds to find. Does it matter that I called it a Spy instead of mailman? No, because there's no way you would know anyways.

The janitor was an x-shot. Which was used once, on another VT.

I'm sorry if the only way you feel you can play is if you have some sort of magic powers, I will take that into consideration next time.

The sender of the message is usually anonymous to the recipient.

so you even took that role and twisted it, making the sender not anonymous. ok cool. maybe that'd be ok for a town role but not for mafia. sorry.

and no, i don't think i need magic powers. but as i stated, if you don't want me to trust info such as that which i received, i would have to not trust ANY INFO FROM ANYONE. and being that as it is, my words and my vote being my power, they're worthless because they can never be informed.

Courier's value is even more dependent on the player's skill or the value of the information the player has at its disposal.

cyber needed no info. that role's two main hinderances were removed, and it was given to mafia. yeah that sounds legit. that is a horrible bastardization of a role if i've ever seen one.

[Masskid]

what surprised me the most during the game was that i claimed fire fighter and didn't get counter-clamed so the janitor on blackmage was actually very nice because the mafia could easily say he was fire fighter and already have 3 votes on me

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Also i see why Tom wants no time limit on days and nights xD if it was 24 hour time limits we would end up with more of those mikey lynches

[Wolfenstinger]

You don’t get a cool opening like everyone else. Mostly because everyone fucking hates you. You’re fat and probably black. Get cancer [COLOR="#00FF00"]Hallwagner (Town Stupid Nigger)(COLOR].

Ability: None. Unless “Fat” is an ability…and it’s not.

Win conditions: Survive and remove all scum from the ship.



1. You lynched Wolf first day. Townies are now 0-6 on random first day lynches, I'm wondering how long it will take for people to smarten up. Hallwagner was a hated townie, but unknown to everyone, including Wolf, he would slowly get better each day until he because useful for the town. It was a role that would require a player who could talk themselves out of a sticky situation, unfortunately it was randomed to Wolf, so that got thrown out the window quickly. If he survived the first day, wolf would have gotten a vest. If he survived the second day he would have gotten a vest he could have given to a friend. Third day would have allowed him an investigation. Fourth day would have given him a vigilante kill. Finally, if Wolf survived the fifth day, he would have taken Cyber's mother out for a night of Mexican food and German sex, which means he would have been immune to any and all actions taken against him. Very powerful, if he could have talked himself out of trouble.

Ok... it makes sense on why I would've been "powerful" later.... except, it was going to me. And since I knew I was vanilla townie + role play was "encouraged"; I attempted to be a "stupid nigger" ... Instead I basically went off the edge and over killed myself. Nothing was really going to bring me back and since there wasn't really any sign as to anything in my PM other than vanilla townie written ALL OVER IT, I didn't bother thinking twice. Though - I've yet to get a PM for Vanilla Townie role at all, so yeahhh..

Overall - oh well. GG. I played it stupidly, but I knew no better anyways. I don't think my shenanigans will work in future games now however, so I have to either come up with something completely new.... or... scrap the idea altogether because it's really the only way I can get myself to come back and make a semi-legit deduction that seemed reasonable and then go off that. :reddot:

[Masskid]

Also, congrats scribble for living....

[Nemesis]

The sender of the message is usually anonymous to the recipient.

so you even took that role and twisted it, making the sender not anonymous. ok cool. maybe that'd be ok for a town role but not for mafia. sorry.

and no, i don't think i need magic powers. but as i stated, if you don't want me to trust info such as that which i received, i would have to not trust ANY INFO FROM ANYONE. and being that as it is, my words and my vote being my power, they're worthless because they can never be informed.

Courier's value is even more dependent on the player's skill or the value of the information the player has at its disposal.

cyber needed no info. that role's two main hinderances were removed, and it was given to mafia. yeah that sounds legit. that is a horrible bastardization of a role if i've ever seen one.

I never told you who the msg was from! You assumed it was from Cyber, but technically he could have used anyone's name. Again, you assumed something and it got you bit.

Even now you're reading that utterly wrong. It says that the role is stronger if it also has investigative abilities, which Cyber did not. He had no useful information for anyone, he had no abilities to protect himself or show others that he was anything but mafia, and there were no mafia roles that could change that, no framer, no disguiser, no bus driver, nothing. If he was investigated he was guilty, no matter what. All he had were his words, which you gobbled up and never doubted for a minute. Sometimes you need to think a little bit of what's presented to you, and WHY.

There's a reason Cyber chose you Brett, you're very easy to manipulate, you live long in these games because it's nice having you around so someone can always agree with whatever you say.

[Chikun]

Didn't see anything about a false friendly neighbor so I never expected that. Is this role even on the wiki?

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I've been had by something I didn't know existed.

[What]

So essentially 4 VT, while every mafia had a power + an arsonist and no fire fighter. Town was pretty much doomed from the beginning. Though I must say, people should have wondered why brett was killed at night, since all it did was "confirm" Cyber as town. There was no reason for them to do this since it behooves them to have people confused and wondering who is telling the truth, and since many thought that Brett and Cyber were mafia to start with, it would have made sense to keep them both alive. In addition to the fact that everyone assumes brett is mafia, and he is terrible at playing town, there was no reason to kill him.
Overall though, town was kind of fucked due to being outmatched by mafia and 3rd party powers, it also doesn't help that there was a severe intelligence deficiency on the Town's side, especially given the power roles they had.

[brett friggin favre]

I never told you who the msg was from! You assumed it was from Cyber, but technically he could have used anyone's name. Again, you assumed something and it got you bit.

Even now you're reading that utterly wrong. It says that the role is stronger if it also has investigative abilities, which Cyber did not. He had no useful information for anyone, he had no abilities to protect himself or show others that he was anything but mafia, and there were no mafia roles that could change that, no framer, no disguiser, no bus driver, nothing. If he was investigated he was guilty, no matter what. All he had were his words, which you gobbled up and never doubted for a minute. Sometimes you need to think a little bit of what's presented to you, and WHY.

There's a reason Cyber chose you Brett, you're very easy to manipulate, you live long in these games because it's nice having you around so someone can always agree with whatever you say.

if the sender is anonymous, that implies that they can't reveal their identity in the note.

anyone's easy to manipulate when you provide them with bullshit roles that make no sense. not to mention that argument is the stupidest thing i've ever heard, considering how many times i've been mafia and have been the manipulator. but i'm done arguing with your stupid ass, go ahead and blacklist me from the rest of your games, i don't want any part in them because there is no possible way an idiot like yourself could ever make a game with any sort of balance whatsoever.

mad? yes. i'm mad. you wasted my time with this bullshit.

[Nemesis]

So essentially 4 VT, while every mafia had a power + an arsonist and no fire fighter. Town was pretty much doomed from the beginning. Though I must say, people should have wondered why brett was killed at night, since all it did was "confirm" Cyber as town. There was no reason for them to do this since it behooves them to have people confused and wondering who is telling the truth, and since many thought that Brett and Cyber were mafia to start with, it would have made sense to keep them both alive. In addition to the fact that everyone assumes brett is mafia, and he is terrible at playing town, there was no reason to kill him.
Overall though, town was kind of fucked due to being outmatched by mafia and 3rd party powers, it also doesn't help that there was a severe intelligence deficiency on the Town's side, especially given the power roles they had.

To be fair, if cyber's counted as a power role then so did Taz's, he just didn't use it and when he did it was for nothing useful. Wolf would have been extremely useful if he lived but he gave up early. Once the roles are randomized it wouldn't look good to start switching things I didn't like.

[Chikun]

an arsonist and no fire fighter.

an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter

I've found my new madness mantra.

It seems this bastardmod game was brought to you by Nemesis.

[brett friggin favre]

an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter

I've found my new madness mantra.

It seems this bastardmod game was brought to you by Nemesis.

hehey! dandy brain ya got there!

[Nemesis]

an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter
an arsonist and no fire fighter

I've found my new madness mantra.

It seems this bastardmod game was brought to you by Nemesis.

There doesn't need to be a firefighter. The arsonist was set up as a SK with a delay. The chance of getting everyone doused and setting it of is extremely low. Look at this game, it was the third night and only one person was doused and set to die, if Mass wasn't roleblocked. You could have easily lost three if it was a standard SK.

Oh, and mikey investigated him, he just couldn't spit it out for some reason. Arsonist was found out right away.

[What]

To be fair, if cyber's counted as a power role then so did Taz's, he just didn't use it and when he did it was for nothing useful. Wolf would have been extremely useful if he lived but he gave up early. Once the roles are randomized it wouldn't look good to start switching things I didn't like.

Well look at what you said, Taz vs Cyber, neither is winning a MENSA award, but there is a sever difference in ability there. And mikey was just awful, again. His pathetic attempt to get someone to claim cop on the first day so that he could CC them was pointless, no one would just randomly go "OH I am the cop follow me guys!" on day 1, makes no damn sense. Then maybe his investigations did reveal something but he went about it the most retarded way possible, especially claiming Cyber as the arsonist, since how the fuck could he send a message to Brett, who was already dead and confirmed town at that point. He pretty much guaranteed no one would listen to him since he was being an idiot. Then you got Shadow who had no idea what the fuck was going on, or if he did was being a complete ass hat. Good to see taz utilized that ability at night as well, very informative, really helped figure things out.

Also, damn I'm leaving Ankara today which means I could have played this whole time and stopped everyone from being so retarded.
Props to Mass though, claiming he got doused himself, was a good move, just didn't have the time to pay off.

[Chikun]

There doesn't need to be a firefighter. The arsonist was set up as a SK with a delay. The chance of getting everyone doused and setting it of is extremely low. Look at this game, it was the third night and only one person was doused and set to die, if Mass wasn't roleblocked. You could have easily lost three if it was a standard SK.

It isn't about everyone getting doused and flamed. It's about there not being anything you can do about it. It's hard enough on town to have a doctor that has to get lucky to prevent a death at night but to throw in another way for people to get killed with fuck-all you can do about it is completely retarded.

[brett friggin favre]

an arson doesn't need a firefighter for balance?

fuck fuck fuck i said i was done, stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid shut up!

[What]

It isn't about everyone getting doused and flamed. It's about there not being anything you can do about it. It's hard enough on town to have a doctor that has to get lucky to prevent a death at night but to throw in another way for people to get killed with fuck-all you can do about it is completely retarded.

When I was a doctor in Blades game I think I chose right with my protection 3 times, its not about luck, its about considering who the mafia would likely take out and why based on how the game is developing, also why I am very against telegraphing moves since it ruins the probability that you save someone.

[Nemesis]

Well look at what you said, Taz vs Cyber, neither is winning a MENSA award, but there is a sever difference in ability there. And mikey was just awful, again. His pathetic attempt to get someone to claim cop on the first day so that he could CC them was pointless, no one would just randomly go "OH I am the cop follow me guys!" on day 1, makes no damn sense. Then maybe his investigations did reveal something but he went about it the most retarded way possible, especially claiming Cyber as the arsonist, since how the fuck could he send a message to Brett, who was already dead and confirmed town at that point. He pretty much guaranteed no one would listen to him since he was being an idiot. Then you got Shadow who had no idea what the fuck was going on, or if he did was being a complete ass hat. Good to see taz utilized that ability at night as well, very informative, really helped figure things out.

Also, damn I'm leaving Ankara today which means I could have played this whole time and stopped everyone from being so retarded.
Props to Mass though, claiming he got doused himself, was a good move, just didn't have the time to pay off.

Nothing I can do about how the roles were given out. The town had their power roles, unfortunately they lynched then immediately

[What]

Nothing I can do about how the roles were given out. The town had their power roles, unfortunately they lynched then immediately

Well I think part of good balance is re randomizing the roles if the short bus gets all the power since that's just gonna be a disaster, and it was.

[Nemesis]

Well I think part of good balance is re randomizing the roles if the short bus gets all the power since that's just gonna be a disaster, and it was.

Might as well pick them myself at that point, which I said I wasn't going to do so I couldn't lie after the fact. But I think maybe mods should skew things a little from now on.

[Chikun]

Oh, and mikey investigated him, he just couldn't spit it out for some reason. Arsonist was found out right away.

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Nemesis]

This is why we can't have nice things.

Ya, that was bad.

Funny that the mafia was bitching that they were underpowered as well, since the janitor was only x-shot and they didn't learn the role either so they couldn't claim what they killed. That Cyber had what was basically an, "annoying, useless ability." and that their killer was determined ahead of time so they couldn't get around a roleblock.

[brett friggin favre]

Nothing I can do about how the roles were given out.

umm...

[Nemesis]

umm...

Ya, and then when you lose that time you come and bitch how I didn't randomize the roles and it was stacked from the start.

I said the roles would be random and they were.

[What]

Oh, and mikey investigated him, he just couldn't spit it out for some reason. Arsonist was found out right away.

This is why we call you an idiot mikey, you have to stop fighting it and accept that you are terrible at thinking, just stop trying, you are only hurting yourself and those who love you.

[brett friggin favre]

Ya, and then when you lose that time you come and bitch how I didn't randomize the roles and it was stacked from the start.

I said the roles would be random and they were.

yeah you did choose the roles randomly didn't you? just like, put every role in mafia in a hat and drew a few? then manipulated them to your liking? that's how you ended up with a fucking arson with no firefighter right?

SHIT SOMEONE MAKE ME STOP

[What]

I still say he could just have redone the randomization, its still random at that point, just had a control to stop the inmates from running the asylum

[Nemesis]

yeah you did choose the roles randomly didn't you? just like, put every role in mafia in a hat and drew a few? then manipulated them to your liking? that's how you ended up with a fucking arson with no firefighter right?

SHIT SOMEONE MAKE ME STOP

Arsonist doesn't need a firefighter, just because you assume it does doesn't make it so. Just because it's happened before doesn't make it so. In Blade's game I had never seen an arsonist on the mafia's side and that really fucked me up? I didn't like it but it wasn't that big of a deal. I didn't lose the game because of it, I lost the game because of terrible players. you didn't lose because of Cyber's role, you lost because of bad players.

Also, none of these roles were modified from what they are as we've all come to see from you, YOU NEED TO READ. the exact description I sent you said that it COULD have a VARIATION that gave it MORE powers than it had. I didn't give those, yet you cry. You cry that it was less powerful than it could be. You cry because it was the basic description. You cry because you couldn't find it. You cry because you believe EVERYTHING without ever questioning people. You just go along with what anyone says.

[brett friggin favre]

Arsonist doesn't need a firefighter, just because you assume it does doesn't make it so. Just because it's happened before doesn't make it so. In Blade's game I had never seen an arsonist on the mafia's side and that really fucked me up? I didn't like it but it wasn't that big of a deal. I didn't lose the game because of it, I lost the game because of terrible players. you didn't lose because of Cyber's role, you lost because of bad players.

Also, none of these roles were modified from what they are as we've all come to see from you, YOU NEED TO READ. the exact description I sent you said that it COULD have a VARIATION that gave it MORE powers than it had. I didn't give those, yet you cry. You cry that it was less powerful than it could be. You cry because it was the basic description. You cry because you couldn't find it. You cry because you believe EVERYTHING without ever questioning people. You just go along with what anyone says.

you're so full of shit. please, look back through my posts. i think through possibilities and provide as many alternatives as i can think of. i think i actually mentioned the possibility of cyber somehow being a mafia who could confirm himself as town. if i didn't actually post that, it's because it would've also incriminated me because the role's still bullshit. if i provided that as a possibility, cyber was lynched, came up mafia, i'm the next to die. when cyber confirmed to me, i was dead. that was essentially a mafia kill. then you have the arson with no way to stop it. then you have the mafia kill.

just because YOU can't think through your own shitty setups doesn't mean you can blame someone else. good try, asshat.

[Nemesis]

you're so full of shit. please, look back through my posts. i think through possibilities and provide as many alternatives as i can think of. i think i actually mentioned the possibility of cyber somehow being a mafia who could confirm himself as town. if i didn't actually post that, it's because it would've also incriminated me because the role's still bullshit. if i provided that as a possibility, cyber was lynched, came up mafia, i'm the next to die. when cyber confirmed to me, i was dead. that was essentially a mafia kill. then you have the arson with no way to stop it. then you have the mafia kill.

just because YOU can't think through your own shitty setups doesn't mean you can blame someone else. good try, asshat.

If cyber was lynched, it would have shown his role, and, now I'm assuming here, because you've already shown you're not very good at this game, nor very smart in general, and that others, who could use google properly, would come up with what his role did, and how he could lie about it. You're still very upset that you played poorly, and I understand that, maybe you'll get over it, maybe you wont. Hopefully you've learned something valuable about this game and how you shouldn't be so easy to manipulate.

You've been proven wrong twice now, what are you going to move on to try about next?