2013, A Space Mafia

[What]

Well if you had been the one to go, wait a second, I think Cyber is mafia, and then he got lynched, I don't see why you would be the next to die, since why would the mafia submarine their own plan to keep someone else alive who has less of a chance of convincing the town of their innocence than cyber? Also, I brought up the epic mafia stuff last game, that's where the virgin modifier came from. I would assume to cross check everything with both websites just to see the possibilities and determine if someone's claim was BS or not. I do not know what was included in Cyber's message, but if he signed it with his name, then that may have been something he should have been prohibited from using, you should also have checked with the others who he confirmed with when he was a friendly neighbor to see if the messages synced up or not. Although, it would be difficult to suspect something strange at first, that is a level of paranoia that doesn't come easy to most.

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If cyber was lynched, it would have shown his role, and, now I'm assuming here, because you've already shown you're not very good at this game, nor very smart in general, and that others, who could use google properly, would come up with what his role did, and how he could lie about it. You're still very upset that you played poorly, and I understand that, maybe you'll get over it, maybe you wont. Hopefully you've learned something valuable about this game and how you shouldn't be so easy to manipulate.

You've been proven wrong twice now, what are you going to move on to try about next?

that is a valid point as well, when cyber's role was revealed it would have vindicated you provided people would actually stop to think for a minute. Also Sin and scrib said next to nothing to whole game, and no one thought that was odd? especially when the town was eating itself alive.

[Nemesis]

Well if you had been the one to go, wait a second, I think Cyber is mafia, and then he got lynched, I don't see why you would be the next to die, since why would the mafia submarine their own plan to keep someone else alive who has less of a chance of convincing the town of their innocence than cyber? Also, I brought up the epic mafia stuff last game, that's where the virgin modifier came from. I would assume to cross check everything with both websites just to see the possibilities and determine if someone's claim was BS or not. I do not know what was included in Cyber's message, but if he signed it with his name, then that may have been something he should have been prohibited from using, you should also have checked with the others who he confirmed with when he was a friendly neighbor to see if the messages synced up or not. Although, it would be difficult to suspect something strange at first, that is a level of paranoia that doesn't come easy to most.

This was what was sent to the players:

When you return from [night action] (or if they didn't have a night action; when they wake up) you find a note on your floor. The note reads as follows:

"Cyber, aka Mr. B, Confirmed Innocent Friendly Neighbor, sends you his greetings."

[What]

why in the hell would it say confirmed in the message? You are getting something that says town in it already, and its a private message, what confirming is going on or necessary at that point. Though I do think he should not have been allowed to have his name in there. If it was kept anonymous it would have been a bit more suspicious, though cyber could just go, you get that thing I sent you? It was a valid plan cyber had within the rules of the game, still think bretts death on the first night should have raised some red flags

[brett friggin favre]

Well if you had been the one to go, wait a second, I think Cyber is mafia, and then he got lynched, I don't see why you would be the next to die, since why would the mafia submarine their own plan to keep someone else alive who has less of a chance of convincing the town of their innocence than cyber? Also, I brought up the epic mafia stuff last game, that's where the virgin modifier came from. I would assume to cross check everything with both websites just to see the possibilities and determine if someone's claim was BS or not. I do not know what was included in Cyber's message, but if he signed it with his name, then that may have been something he should have been prohibited from using, you should also have checked with the others who he confirmed with when he was a friendly neighbor to see if the messages synced up or not. Although, it would be difficult to suspect something strange at first, that is a level of paranoia that doesn't come easy to most.

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that is a valid point as well, when cyber's role was revealed it would have vindicated you provided people would actually stop to think for a minute. Also Sin and scrib said next to nothing to whole game, and no one thought that was odd? especially when the town was eating itself alive.

yes, because it makes sense for me to receive a message saying someone's town, and immediately assume they're mafia. with absolutely no other evidence whatsoever. yup.

let me spell this out very clearly for you two: this is a game of information. you use the information you're able to gather based off what others say and what is revealed to you. i am given one piece of information: cyber has sent me a message saying he's town. so i'm supposed to assume that nem implemented a stupid OP role? i'm supposed to say "yes, cyber confirmed that he's town, BUT HE'S NOT TOWN BECAUSE THERE'S THIS OBSCURE OP ROLE THAT I'M SURE NEM IMPLEMENTED INTO THIS GAME!"

seriously? that's the argument you're gonna use? if someone said that bullshit in-game i'd lynch em in a heartbeat on the grounds of sheer preposterousness.

[What]

Actually if you read to the end I said that that level of suspicion is unlikely at first. Most of that was in response to you saying you didn't call Cyber out since you knew you would be the next to die if he turned up mafia. So, re-read more carefully.

And it is a game of information, and mis-information. The goal is to go through everything you have and try to discern the truth, albeit if someone tells you this guy is for sure ok, then it is difficult to have reason to doubt him, but as the game progressed, especially with Aco's claim, some rethinking must have gone on. You were too concerned with saving your own skin so you went out of your way to defend cyber since Aco's claim would appear to have condemned you, though again once cyber was dead, everyone would see that he could have sent you the message claiming to be town.

[Nemesis]

yes, because it makes sense for me to receive a message saying someone's town, and immediately assume they're mafia. with absolutely no other evidence whatsoever. yup.

let me spell this out very clearly for you two: this is a game of information. you use the information you're able to gather based off what others say and what is revealed to you. i am given one piece of information: cyber has sent me a message saying he's town. so i'm supposed to assume that nem implemented a stupid OP role? i'm supposed to say "yes, cyber confirmed that he's town, BUT HE'S NOT TOWN BECAUSE THERE'S THIS OBSCURE OP ROLE THAT I'M SURE NEM IMPLEMENTED INTO THIS GAME!"

seriously? that's the argument you're gonna use? if someone said that bullshit in-game i'd lynch em in a heartbeat on the grounds of sheer preposterousness.

Ok, lets slow this down for you. the msg could have said anything. It could have said, "Hey Brett, wanna join the mafia? Good, you're in." Would you believe that? What about it it said, "Brett, Mikey is The Godfather." Would you have instantly believed that? And in any game you played, when has a role ever been called a 'confirmed' anything? Also, Cyber made some typos and there were differences in the msgs, if you would have gone further you would have seen that possibly.


Also, this is not a game of information, this is a game is deception. You were deceived.

[What]

Also, busdriver on day one is unlikely as Town should be hesitant to use it since they don't want to protect mafia and get town killed. If mafia used it, then you need to ask why cyber? Why would they use it on him?

[Nemesis]

Also Brett, if it was some obscure role you "searched everywhere for" why is it literally the first result in google when you search if mafia can send a message to a player?

[brett friggin favre]

the only way to know that cyber was deceiving us was to lynch him, and we'd only do that if we knew he was deceiving us. the ONLY WAY TO KNOW HIS DECEPTION IS TO KNOW HIS DECEPTION.

and this bothers nobody? ok.

other ways this game was fucked up:

coming out and saying no post restrictions were in place (caused us to lynch wolf)
arson w/o firefighter
way to many posts from mods. WAYYYYY too many.
imbalanced role distribution


(as a side note: http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/11083-2013-A-Space-Mafia?p=164621#post164621 . i did bring it up, as well as many other occasions whereupon i brought about multiple possibilities and courses of action. you'll also note i usually don't cast my vote right away because i want to hear all the info i can. if i was a gullible as you shits seem to think i am, i'd be voting right off the bat without a 2nd thought. )


Also Brett, if it was some obscure role you "searched everywhere for" why is it literally the first result in google when you search if mafia can send a message to a player?

because i googled "mafia messages player" instead.

[Nemesis]

other ways this game was fucked up:

coming out and saying no post restrictions were in place (caused us to lynch wolf)
arson w/o firefighter
way to many posts from mods. WAYYYYY too many.
imbalanced role distribution


1. Yup. You're right on that one. I'll take the heat for that.
2. If the arsonist was SOOOOOOOOOO overpowered without a Firefighter, explain why he killed exactly ZERO players.
3. There was also a lot of shit that needed to be addressed, such are people talking at night. there were a lot, but they were necessary.
4. Again yes, I said I was going to do random roles and I wasn't going to stray from that. At that point I placed the integrity of the selection over the balance of the distribution, again, I'll take the heat for that one, not Blade's fault at all.

[brett friggin favre]

1. Yup. You're right on that one. I'll take the heat for that.
2. If the arsonist was SOOOOOOOOOO overpowered without a Firefighter, explain why he killed exactly ZERO players.
3. There was also a lot of shit that needed to be addressed, such are people talking at night. there were a lot, but they were necessary.
4. Again yes, I said I was going to do random roles and I wasn't going to stray from that. At that point I placed the integrity of the selection over the balance of the distribution, again, I'll take the heat for that one, not Blade's fault at all.

2. explain why taz and mikey were worthless. there's your answer.
3. and the ones during the day? too damn many of those, included the one referred to in #1. you can't take the heat for that and then say it was necessary......

[Nemesis]

I felt every post I made was necessary, regardless of when it was. If you select a specific one I'll e happy to tell you why I made it.

[brett friggin favre]

I felt every post I made was necessary, regardless of when it was. If you select a specific one I'll e happy to tell you why I made it.

i already dug back through to find my old post, not doing it again. wasted enough time here. and that list wasn't directed solely at you, it was to the moderators in general. you and blade.

[Nemesis]

Well then I can see its not an overly big deal. If that's the worst thing that comes up then high fives all around.

[Sin]

since the janitor was only x-shot and they didn't learn the role either so they couldn't claim what they killed.

http://imgur.com/GPHCUmx

Yeah, the role you sent me was that, not the "updated" version you put up on page 47 of the thread. Using the sc2mafia version of that role was retarded, nobody plays on that shitty community aside from downies and inbreds.

Honestly, we need to make an IBIS Mafia wiki page, and only use roles based off of that, or shimmied around a bit. Just like epicmafia or mafiascum. BAM! Problem solved. List of fuckin' roles you can use in your setups... OR you know... just use the best mafia community's wiki page. http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

EZ PZ people. Honestly I was scared there actually was a PGO in this game or the possibility of a Cult... that would have been cool.

[brett friggin favre]

Well then I can see its not an overly big deal. If that's the worst thing that comes up then high fives all around.

well that and the 4 other mistakes that ruined the game.

[Sin]

I don't see why a firefighter is needed with an arson in-game. Yeah it's a direct counter to it, but it isn't necessary.

[Nemesis]

well that and the 4 other mistakes that ruined the game.

Yes but unfortunately I can't help you play so those mistakes are on you and your team.

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I do like Sin's idea of standard races that are used here. You could almost do it like WCS and have people suggest new roles that have to be approved. could even put restrictions on what roles they can be with and such, I like it.

[brett friggin favre]

Yes but unfortunately I can't help you play so those mistakes are on you and your team.

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I do like Sin's idea of standard races that are used here. You could almost do it like WCS and have people suggest new roles that have to be approved. could even put restrictions on what roles they can be with and such, I like it.

You literally just said a few of those were your fault...check my quote on the first post in this page

[Nemesis]

You literally just said a few of those were your fault...check my quote on the first post in this page

No I mean the other mistakes that ruined the game, that was you guys playing bad, not us. Unless you're saying that was my fault too.

And before you get bent out of shape, I'm kidding, just breaking your balls.

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Also, I said you can blame me and I'll take the heat. Doesn't necessarily mean I'm wrong, you just think I am.

[CYBER]

WOOT!!! Surprise motherfuckers:P


1- Mikey, now that the game is over, I wanna apologize for being a dick to you... I had to keep the pressure on you especially after aco caught me with a gun.

2- I still find it...euh... CONVENIENT that the arson would claim firefighter and conveniently happen to not get CC'd? ... masskid? care to elaborate on that?

3- Brett, honestly? When i got my role I was like "wtf? what can i do with this? it cant be used to kill anyone, and if i use it to confuse people, i'll just get lynched..."
So I looked it up (on epic mafia, where's I've seen this role before when modding). I asked nemesis how are the messages "sent anonymously" ... so he told me that the message is sent by the mod anonymously and the player doesn't know where it came from, just that they got it... So at first, i thought i could fake claim being a Town Agent which is basically a semi-cop that can sends a message to mafia/neutral only. If they receive it, it means that they are mafia.
The problem with that role? if someone claimed they got a msg from me, and died as townies... i'd be made... So instead, I used the experience i got from the previous blade game, and pretended to be a friendly neighbour...
I honestly thought i wouldnt last 1 day in this game when ppl wonder how i got the same role twice... so my entire original gameplay was to make friends with you and the ones most problematic to town so that when i die as a mafia, they turn the guns on u ... so in a way.. i thought my role was gonna be kamikazee style.
You gotta admit... using the anonimity of the mod in order to send you a semi-convincing message that i'm a friendly neighbour (using the intel i got from scribble because he received a prior msg when i ACTUALLY was a friendly neighbor in blade's game.. So we took that message and we tweaked it to fit this story xD
It was a team effort and just a bastard idea.

4- speaking of which. the ONLY bastard thing I've seen in this game was, again, the fact that there was no firefighter... I can be attributed a bit as a bastard role? meh, i guess, but it was all about the execution... i'd like to fucking take credit that using it as a friendly neighbor to gain town trust and steer everyone AWAY from scribble and sin (the real threat) by focusing on others in game... hell, i almost took control of every night action to be done and made sure it's convenient enough that ppl would believe it's a gd idea... and keeping away from scribb and sin..


We also adapted a lot...For example, i thought mikey was really NOT a cop... on a small setup, a gunsmith is usually enough to be a cop... we were gonna have sin counter claim mikey for cop because I thought that mikey was a PGO baiting me to get him killed when he soft claimed cop...
So what we did? we couldnt kill him at night... we either had to get him lynched, or keep him till the end if he was pgo...
SO, i asked aco to investigate MIKEY... not to see if he has a cop... but since the arson and mafia are the only killers out there so far, we assumed that if aco turned up dead the next day, mikey would definitely be pgo, and we'd get him lynched on the fact that he was mafia and trying to hide his tracks by killing aco before he makes him... luckily, i had enough votes going on, and the mafia members + arson hammered the vote on mikey.

Once mikey turned up cop. it was gg for mafia.

5- masskid, well played on pretending to do ur role... but i knew u were the arson all along. It was either you or chikun since mikey was either cop or pgo.
So we roleblocked chikun night 2 assuming he's the arson. When you told me u got doused? GG, it had to be you. either for lying, or for pretending you got doused when u didnt... especially since ur entire gameplay was only about the fire... not about mafia.

6- aco, mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn... u had me rattled up lol... i never thought i'd see the end of day 2 LOL... we had contingency plans if i were to be made though.. .scrible and sin were supposed to be the hammerer votes on me and get me lynched lol....
Finding that gun with me?... having to claim bus'd ??? i didnt expect u to actually go with it.... lol... if u actually killed me by lynch, then i'd die as a spy, and ppl would know brett is innocent bcos a spy might be sending him fake msgs...
We also made sure after i got confirmed as townie to not be made by getting burned on night 3... So I asked Sin to janitor ME, in case masskid wasnt the arson and burned me... this way ppl wouldnt know i was the spy...

To be fair, town could have used a PGO, and a firefighter...Not so much because the arson was there... but because it was too easy for mass to claim firefighter and no one countered him.. again... i still dnt know how mass could take such a risk without knowing beforehand there was no FF...
I'll admit town could have used a boost... but holy crap... u guys killed ur own... sin and scribble literally did NOTHING the entire game other than stay out of my way so that when i die, they are not tied to me ...

I will stand here for a round of applause. thank you -.-... and thank sin and scribble for an amazing team.. we actually really clicked and had similar plans and contingencies prepared beforehand. Would love to work with them again.

Nemesis? honestly? amazing game. There's ALWAYS gonna be bitching... for example, in my last game, town was stronger than serial and mafia... but in this game, the balance was a LITTLE to us... but barely like 7% ... so 54% scumwin vs 46% townwin chances ... not bad all in all..


Blade... you really need to be careful with what you tell people...it almost cost me the game on night 2 because ur overall attitude made our actions to block mikey and msg him TOO easy... u should just stay aside until u get all role, like nem , and only answer ruling questions...also ur first stunt was bad lol...

that being said,
I WANT MOAR.

GG, and it was actually fun.
Aco gd play, chikun gd play. mikey... horrible play... but that's only because i was setting u up... so nice try i guess... but you made it TOO easy for me to make u a liar in the game bcos u dnt pay attention to what u say man... seriously... Also, Sin and scribble knew u were the cop from the start because of ur attempt to get a cop to counter claim u first... and because u seemed wayyyyy too confident compared to usual...
they were right.

Masskid ...nice try u fuck... YOU DONT LOVE ME! and i dont love u! and now you know WHY... i knew all along u fucking whore. -.-
Taz... u're a retard... but i love u ... pay attention man.. i was playing the game... not modding it.. and watch out for mod kills... u're rly cutting it close.

Brett, i love u man.... but i hAD to chose u first to confirm me because i wanted u dead fast... i realized u're probably the only one who can figure out my mafia spy role (which u actually came REALLYYYYY CLOSE to doing so...) so that's why i made sure u get killed ASAP before u start hinting more lol <3 i love u man

GG . fuck u guys, im off to my exam studying again...

MAKE A NEW GAME... someone...

TOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NAW!

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

i was on a 24 hour black out.... sorry i could not reply. Secondly, nem... i didnt go on and on about blackmage being alive i went on and on about how BS cybers story was and how masskid was anti town. Thirdly i was the only one hard pushing cyber and his bullshit claim. I had tagged masskid as anti town, was going after cyber next. i dont understand how hard it was to call bullshit on there story, it was a blatant lie. lastly, i assumed blackmage to still be alive because of your PM to me stating "a players alignment persists even after the die" blah blah. You gave me less credit then i deserve imho as i had it pretty much figured out from day 2 save for scribb.

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furthermore, here are my investgations and reasonings behind them.

night 1: Blackmage. Reason: he is a very good player, i wanted to know if he was town or mafia right off the bat.

night 2: Masskid: Reason: I figured i was being baited into investigating brett, as planned during day 2. I figured that was what the mafia wanted me to do based off how hard cyber was pushing me to investigate brett to prove his innocence. I did not bye into it for fear brett would be killed, so i went after masskid whos claim also stank. He came up anti town, i figured most of the players figured i was cop, made my accusation and then bam i got hit with a 24 hour blackout. if that had not happened im sure this game would have gone alot differently.

[Nemesis]

i was on a 24 hour black out.... sorry i could not reply. Secondly, nem... i didnt go on and on about blackmage being alive i went on and on about how BS cybers story was and how masskid was anti town. Thirdly i was the only one hard pushing cyber and his bullshit claim. I had tagged masskid as anti town, was going after cyber next. i dont understand how hard it was to call bullshit on there story, it was a blatant lie. lastly, i assumed blackmage to still be alive because of your PM to me stating "a players alignment persists even after the die" blah blah. You gave me less credit then i deserve imho as i had it pretty much figured out from day 2 save for scribb.

Ya, so now I can explain that. Basically for everyone else out there, on night one Mikey investigated Blackmage, then blackmage was targeted by Mafia. So Mikey got his Innocent reading, and Blackmage came up dead in the morning. Mikey msg'd me asking if Blackmage was innocent or dead.

I felt like saying, "nah dude, he's dead." was giving information too directly. So I basically said he's innocent, regardless of his physical status. So he innocent if he's dead, or alive.

He was given the innocent ruling because janitor does not apply any kind of roleblocking on their target, and the investigation would come before the kill in the operations.

So there's all that.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

cyber, i would say good set up, if only i was actually convinced by your shitty lies. Its was extremely obvious after day 2. im actually a bit sad everyone else was baited by you, like fucking sheep with no brain of there own. I had made a very obvious soft claim on cop and only cyber and brett figured it out.

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there is a lesson to be learned here. Someone who feels they need to over explain themselves is anti town. Enough said. You can continue to say i played horrible but the fact that i was the only fucking townie left who know you were lying, was good on me.

[Nemesis]

cyber, i would say good set up, if only i was actually convinced by your shitty lies. Its was extremely obvious after day 2. im actually a bit sad everyone else was baited by you, like fucking sheep with no brain of there own. I had made a very obvious soft claim on cop and only cyber and brett figured it out.

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there is a lesson to be learned here. Someone who feels they need to over explain themselves is anti town. Enough said. You can continue to say i played horrible but the fact that i was the only fucking townie left who know you were lying, was good on me.

I think the problem with your game mikey is you jump around too much. You need to calm down or filter some out or something. A game or two ago you came out with your "suspects" and it was literally every person who was part of the conversation. Then you would jump from one person to the next, all over the place. Last game you thought I was anti-town, yet I didn't have to defend myself once because everyone just ignored you, if I was quiet, you would just jump to someone else, which happened.

I think if you just slow down a bit and stop trying to win on day one you'll help yourself out a lot.

[Nemesis]

cyber, i would say good set up, if only i was actually convinced by your shitty lies. Its was extremely obvious after day 2. im actually a bit sad everyone else was baited by you, like fucking sheep with no brain of there own. I had made a very obvious soft claim on cop and only cyber and brett figured it out.

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there is a lesson to be learned here. Someone who feels they need to over explain themselves is anti town. Enough said. You can continue to say i played horrible but the fact that i was the only fucking townie left who know you were lying, was good on me.

I think the problem with your game mikey is you jump around too much. You need to calm down or filter some out or something. A game or two ago you came out with your "suspects" and it was literally every person who was part of the conversation. Then you would jump from one person to the next, all over the place. Last game you thought I was anti-town, yet I didn't have to defend myself once because everyone just ignored you, if I was quiet, you would just jump to someone else, which happened.

I think if you just slow down a bit and stop trying to win on day one you'll help yourself out a lot.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I think the problem with your game mikey is you jump around too much. You need to calm down or filter some out or something. A game or two ago you came out with your "suspects" and it was literally every person who was part of the conversation. Then you would jump from one person to the next, all over the place. Last game you thought I was anti-town, yet I didn't have to defend myself once because everyone just ignored you, if I was quiet, you would just jump to someone else, which happened.

I think if you just slow down a bit and stop trying to win on day one you'll help yourself out a lot.

that might be true with some of my first games but that is not the case during this game. My suspects did not change at all during this game. It was masskid and cyber. Following up with sin (kept accusing chikun) and scribb (said was quitting game, then immediately changes mind). I didnt give taz the benefit of possibly being mafia....

Wolf was sort of a policy lynch due to blades post fiasco and shadow was another policy lynch. Never did i think they were anti town or anyone else anti town during this game.

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also, here is my note pad of mafia notes during this game.
I right shit down either as it happens or in future tense as to not forget my path. (its easy to forget out here in afghanistan)

investigate blackmage = huge asset if town, huge win for town if mafia.

dont trust cybers claim, push for answers

brett defends cyber

masskid claimed to be a fire fighter.

everyone is trying desperatly to get brett investigated. Could be bait. cannot investigate brett as it is likley a trap.

Investigate masskid. Results of doing so, He comes up town = not a liar, arson exsists, cyber is town, brett is cleared.
masskid comes up anti town = not the fire fighter = cyber is lying. Pending day 3 convos and results, investigate cyber.

[Blackmage]

First, I'm sticking with my "I need a bulletproof" to play at this site :P Or anonymous game.

On the arsonist without firefighter, IMO, it made perfect sense. Remember, 3rd party killers have a BLOODY hard time winning.

Also, for mods, please be wary of converting epicmafia roles to forum mafia. Realize, they have different balance then we do. Open setups in all games, night start in most, whispers in almost every non-vanilla. Also, be careful about names. Epic's gunsmith is QUITE a bit different. Mason is a good deal different too. It's things like this that make me agree with the "wiki" idea. That way, a dead unclaimed gunsmith won't have us looking over shoulder's as we post.

Related, this "Spy" was not much like epicmafia's spy. It was mailman, as Nem said.

As contrast, Epic's does it via anon message, not system (aka mod) messaging, to a ROLE, not a player. It can also do it at day. It can do it to multiple players, and multiple times. On the messaging part: it'd be closer to having sent the message via PM from the PA system. Mistaking their spy message for a system message is not possible as long as the person receiving it has basic reasoning skills.


Someone who feels they need to over explain themselves is anti town.

Right now, someone who feels they need to "over explain themselves" realizes they're playing with a fairly new group of people. Even non-new players need some things thoroughly explained to them. It's also a dangerous rule to follow. I let other's use your rule to get a townie lynched. Basically, it's not a bad rule, but don't use it as a be-all end-all. In fact, probably shouldn't have any be-all end-all rules. Someone WILL find a way to break them.

[taz1stP]

well if we had evryone playing like they should of been such as shadow we might of been better

[Nemesis]

Black, it's funny you bring up the different Gunsmiths. that's why Aco's description is a soldier, because I was expecting him to be handing out guns all the time, then Blade told me what he wanted and I was like, "oh, good thing you told me, that's totally different."

again, I like the IBIS wiki idea. I also think it's be great if there were forum profiles for just mafia that we could shuffle and hand out each game, that way no one knows who the player is and people can play based of their roles, not based off how they played other games.

[CYBER]

Investigate masskid. Results of doing so, He comes up town = not a liar, arson exsists, cyber is town, brett is cleared.
masskid comes up anti town = not the fire fighter = cyber is lying. Pending day 3 convos and results, investigate cyber.

it's funny how , even when the game is over, u're still wrong lol...

If masskid turned up town, that would ONLY mean that masskid is town. I didn't confirm myself with masskid, i confirmed it with brett.
Masskid being town could just be that the poor bastard (masskid) confirmed that I got doused. THAT I GOT DOUSED. whether im mafia or town... it only confirms that im doused... not mafia or town... hell... it literally brings NTHN to brett's info... u CANT fucking clear him like that... brett's an unknown role.


IF masskid turns up GUILTY. Then that just means that masskid's confirmation of me being doused is BS. Now u might think that the course of action is that cyber is guilty with masskid... but that makes no sense... whether i was a town or mafia, i wouldnt wanna get burned... and i stated that there's an arson.
Masskid confirmed me because he WAS the arson... so again... Brett is still in the wind because you don't know what he is... no matter what masskid was...
and the odds that all 3 of us are mafia and just putting ourselves out there when we don't have cop immunity?? seriously? get all 3 of us helping eachother openly and if 1 of us is investigated we all get killed/ wrong mikey... just wrong.


no matter what you say,
investigating masskid literally brings u NOTHING.
Investigating ME bring u info that I'm evil, and MAYBE ... jsut MAYBE brett is evil... but once i died and ppl know im a spy, brett would be given the benefit of the doubt bcos why bother confirm with a friendly mafia when i can be confirming with a townie.
SEE? logic... you never use it...

Brett was the only logical person to investigate... granted i was mafia, but if i wasnt? u'd have doomed me and brett because masskid the arson would have made u kill both me and brett for nthn bcos u cant connect pieces right...



Mikey you're like THIS kid :
http://www.thetoysavenue.com/gallery/brilliant-basics-babys-first-blocks/brilliant_basics_baby_first_blocks_1.jpg

You have a triangle piece in ur hand, u see a triangle opening in the box... instead of putting the triangle piece into the triangle opening and do it right, you instead decide to take that little triangle piece and shove it hard into the big square piece... You THINK you did a good job because you got one of the piece in ... but when u start building the rest of your "case"... you realize that you already screwed urself over because you're not associating parts right...

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Black, it's funny you bring up the different Gunsmiths. that's why Aco's description is a soldier, because I was expecting him to be handing out guns all the time, then Blade told me what he wanted and I was like, "oh, good thing you told me, that's totally different."

again, I like the IBIS wiki idea. I also think it's be great if there were forum profiles for just mafia that we could shuffle and hand out each game, that way no one knows who the player is and people can play based of their roles, not based off how they played other games.

i can work on a website that does that.
Instead of being PM'd a role on ibis forums, they are pm'd a username to use AND a temporary password that they have for the duration of the game only in order to log in to the website hosting the game..
They login on the website and start playing.

This gives anonymity, allows us to make temp players like PA system without cluttering the forums..
This also allows us to block a dead player from joining the game after dying and posting spoilers.

Also, we can have it so that the mod can disable a thread when night starts until he gets all info... this lets him make sure no one gets modkilled for tlaking at night...

it's doable... needs some work along with a wiki that needs to be well-documented... but yeah.
it's doable. if u guys want me helping with this. i'd love to.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

it's funny how , even when the game is over, u're still wrong lol...

If masskid turned up town, that would ONLY mean that masskid is town. I didn't confirm myself with masskid, i confirmed it with brett.
Masskid being town could just be that the poor bastard (masskid) confirmed that I got doused. THAT I GOT DOUSED. whether im mafia or town... it only confirms that im doused... not mafia or town... hell... it literally brings NTHN to brett's info... u CANT fucking clear him like that... brett's an unknown role.


IF masskid turns up GUILTY. Then that just means that masskid's confirmation of me being doused is BS. Now u might think that the course of action is that cyber is guilty with masskid... but that makes no sense... whether i was a town or mafia, i wouldnt wanna get burned... and i stated that there's an arson.
Masskid confirmed me because he WAS the arson... so again... Brett is still in the wind because you don't know what he is... no matter what masskid was...
and the odds that all 3 of us are mafia and just putting ourselves out there when we don't have cop immunity?? seriously? get all 3 of us helping eachother openly and if 1 of us is investigated we all get killed/ wrong mikey... just wrong.


no matter what you say,
investigating masskid literally brings u NOTHING.
Investigating ME bring u info that I'm evil, and MAYBE ... jsut MAYBE brett is evil... but once i died and ppl know im a spy, brett would be given the benefit of the doubt bcos why bother confirm with a friendly mafia when i can be confirming with a townie.
SEE? logic... you never use it...

Brett was the only logical person to investigate... granted i was mafia, but if i wasnt? u'd have doomed me and brett because masskid the arson would have made u kill both me and brett for nthn bcos u cant connect pieces right...



Mikey you're like THIS kid :
http://www.thetoysavenue.com/gallery/brilliant-basics-babys-first-blocks/brilliant_basics_baby_first_blocks_1.jpg

You have a triangle piece in ur hand, u see a triangle opening in the box... instead of putting the triangle piece into the triangle opening and do it right, you instead decide to take that little triangle piece and shove it hard into the big square piece... You THINK you did a good job because you got one of the piece in ... but when u start building the rest of your "case"... you realize that you already screwed urself over because you're not associating parts right...

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i can work on a website that does that.
Instead of being PM'd a role on ibis forums, they are pm'd a username to use AND a temporary password that they have for the duration of the game only in order to log in to the website hosting the game..
They login on the website and start playing.

This gives anonymity, allows us to make temp players like PA system without cluttering the forums..
This also allows us to block a dead player from joining the game after dying and posting spoilers.

Also, we can have it so that the mod can disable a thread when night starts until he gets all info... this lets him make sure no one gets modkilled for tlaking at night...

it's doable... needs some work along with a wiki that needs to be well-documented... but yeah.
it's doable. if u guys want me helping with this. i'd love to.

you truly are a retard. My entire thought process revolved around brett being used as a trap, in other words brett would end up dead in mafia attempts to waste my investigation that night. With the high chance that brett would be murdered it was only logical to investigate masskid or yourself. My judgment call was correct.

If i were to win a game as last man standing, you would still criticize me as a horrible player... oh wait, that already happened. Im sorry you lack the ability to think out side that stupid box you used as an example. the issue with my game was that no one gave me the chance to defend myself. That no one gave me that chance.

[CYBER]

you truly are a retard. My entire thought process revolved around brett being used as a trap, in other words brett would end up dead in mafia attempts to waste my investigation that night. With the high chance that brett would be murdered it was only logical to investigate masskid or yourself. My judgment call was correct.

If i were to win a game as last man standing, you would still criticize me as a horrible player... oh wait, that already happened. Im sorry you lack the ability to think out side that stupid box you used as an example. the issue with my game was that no one gave me the chance to defend myself. That no one gave me that chance.
oh you mean the game where you got trapped by nemesis and "I" was the one who suggested that you got bus'd by chikun?
Granted it was only a suggestion, but don't go taking credit to that... you needed 2 other mafia buddies talking during the DAY to have a brain large enough to go against the rest of us. -.-

I'll admit that getting to investigate brett IS smthn i wanted u doing, not because i was getting brett killed, i actually was planning on killing you that night regardless.
But i felt like playing a safer path. So when i told u to investigate brett? it rly didnt matter. i was hoping ppl think that brett was covering his track and that he was in face a mafia member, get him lynched, saves us a kill and confirms me during the day...
so yeah.. i could have played this many ways, and i can tell u for sure that u still insist that investigating masskid would have cleared brett and i .

FALSE. it is the right move to investigate him because his story about arson was too convenient... THAT was right. But don't go mashing it up with clearing me and BRETT.... it doesn't. investigating mass IS the right move to clear up the arson threat. but again, u always make that extra useless step to screw up ur logic by mashing it with smthn wrong....

[Nemesis]

At this time Brett knew he was innocent and said to investigate him. Cyber said he was innocent and to investigate Brett.

Smart move to me would be to investigate Cyber.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

At this time Brett knew he was innocent and said to investigate him. Cyber said he was innocent and to investigate Brett.

Smart move to me would be to investigate Cyber.
which was my move for night 3. To investigate Cyber. To me the arsonist was the greatest threat at the time, what better scapegoat then to claim firefighter subtly to mask you being arsonist. either way, if i had saved being lynched, cyber would have been next to go.

[Nemesis]

which was my move for night 3. To investigate Cyber. To me the arsonist was the greatest threat at the time, what better scapegoat then to claim firefighter subtly to mask you being arsonist. either way, if i had saved being lynched, cyber would have been next to go.

Meh, that's just the way I would have done it. No biggie, but you two keep fighting, I like this.

[SCRIBBLE]

Good game everyone.

[Masskid]

@Cyber remember like the 5th page when I said I really didn't want to play?? Ya I wasn't kidding. I claimed fire fighter because I wanted to have fun trying to wiggle my way out of getting counter claimed and when that didn't happen I just went with the flow. And cyber how could you say I don't love you :( you were the only person I spewed my juices over.

@wolf, poor guy. I wish his class would have been vague. Instead of no it's not, I think it should have been "maybe it is". There is no reason to not trust a mods pm so I'm guessing he read it and was like well fuck I guess I'm just hated

@nemesis honestly the only bastard mod thin I saw was where you popped in and said no post restrictions.

@Taz oh come on man you had like the most powerful townie class. You can use at day or night. An extra voice would help you turn the crowd all you needed to do was sweet talk your way as taz and pa system to grab a lynch

@shadow... I don't even fucking know

@Brett honestly having no fire fighter was no big deal, instead of being third party with a kill I had a third party with a delayed kill... honestly I don't think I could have won since I can't insta kill I would have to plan ahead with uncertainties like if cyber was killed I would literally be back at step one :/

@blackmage you only get shot because you're black. That's what happens in Da hood :)

[Chikun]

The only thing I learned from this is that the only way to be confirmed as town is to die.

[SCRIBBLE]

The next friendly neighbor is going to have a hard time earning trust.

[brett friggin favre]

Yes, cyber, you used your role well, I'm not trying to say you didn't. I'm saying for several reasons that it was much more powerful than intended, backed up now by black's description of the role that inspired it.

Incorrectly managing a role is bastard modding in my book.

[BladeTwinSwords]

I was honestly tempted to add a PGO to the fray just to spice things up. I figured that the teams were balanced enough as is.

I agree on an IBIS Mafia Wiki. Consistent role descriptions so that no one is left in the dark.

I will take the heat on the post restriction reveal. That was a stupid move on my behalf.


My Top 3 Players:

#3: Aco. You did the best out of any of the town by a long shot. You should have kept pushing a lynch on Cyber.

#2: Masskid: You were screwed from the very start yet you lasted a fairly long time for a 3rd Party.

#1: Cyber: You managed to lead people into believing you just like What did last game.


My Worst 3 Players:

#3: Wolf: That was a rather stupid move acting like a dumbshit.

#2: Brett: Nem is correct, when you are town, you are very easy to mold.

#1: Mikey: You should have just flatout roleclaimed Cop. That got you killed fast.


Scribb: You didn't really have to do anything.

Sin: Same as Scribb.

Chikun: You never got to your full potential.

Shadow: You did literally nothing to help.

Taz: You should have used your ability better.

Blackmage: You died rather quickly so I got nothing.

[brett friggin favre]

I was honestly tempted to add a PGO to the fray just to spice things up. I figured that the teams were balanced enough as is.

I agree on an IBIS Mafia Wiki. Consistent role descriptions so that no one is left in the dark.

I will take the heat on the post restriction reveal. That was a stupid move on my behalf.


My Top 3 Players:

#3: Aco. You did the best out of any of the town by a long shot. You should have kept pushing a lynch on Cyber.

#2: Masskid: You were screwed from the very start yet you lasted a fairly long time for a 3rd Party.

#1: Cyber: You managed to lead people into believing you just like What did last game.



3. Aco. did well

2. masskid. oinly lasted so long because there was no actual fucking firefighter.

1. cyber. again, did well, but the role needs to be handled better in the future.

you guys keep saying i'm so moldable as town. it's fucking hilarious. i was town one time before this, and that was while i was working 14 hours a fucking day. pardon me for not being sharp as a tack there, and pardon me for not expecting such a stupid mafia role. i'm not going to expect that a mod sends me a message which confirms someone as town, and nobody else would either. so wait...who was it that got the 2nd note...

aco. and aco bought it too, but he's in your top 3 and i'm in your bottom 3 for the same reason? lmfao. the only reason he pushed cyber at all is because he thought we were in cahoots. not only did aco immediately buy cyber's shit, he also followed cyber directly into lynching the cop. wow, what a smart move, best in show! he's not moldable like that retard brett!

[Chikun]

Chikun: You never got to your full potential.

:( I know, I biffed all my protections. All two of them.

I'm going to start working on a role list and modifier list that we can sticky once we get a mafia section in the forums.

[BladeTwinSwords]

I'm going to start working on a role list and modifier list that we can sticky once we get a mafia section in the forums.

Already currently working on one.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

I was honestly tempted to add a PGO to the fray just to spice things up. I figured that the teams were balanced enough as is.

I agree on an IBIS Mafia Wiki. Consistent role descriptions so that no one is left in the dark.

I will take the heat on the post restriction reveal. That was a stupid move on my behalf.


My Top 3 Players:

#3: Aco. You did the best out of any of the town by a long shot. You should have kept pushing a lynch on Cyber.

#2: Masskid: You were screwed from the very start yet you lasted a fairly long time for a 3rd Party.

#1: Cyber: You managed to lead people into believing you just like What did last game.


My Worst 3 Players:

#3: Wolf: That was a rather stupid move acting like a dumbshit.

#2: Brett: Nem is correct, when you are town, you are very easy to mold.

#1: Mikey: You should have just flatout roleclaimed Cop. That got you killed fast.


Scribb: You didn't really have to do anything.

Sin: Same as Scribb.

Chikun: You never got to your full potential.

Shadow: You did literally nothing to help.

Taz: You should have used your ability better.

Blackmage: You died rather quickly so I got nothing.

Flat out role claiming cop is retarded super early in the game, most deff with an arsonist running about. Secondly i was on a 24 hour blackout.... meaning, no internet at all for that entire time. I cant control that shit. blame terrorists. The actual townies should of holded there votes to give me a chance to defend myself. Instead they fucking sheepaled with cybers BS story. It was actually sad to see so many townies who had already gotten a soft cop claim from me.. openly disregard it and lynch me. Yet, those were the good players, the ones who made horrible judgment calls...

thirdly, you praise aco for being on cybers ass about his claim... even though he gave in to his claim and let it ride. I was the only one left who continually criticized his claims and challenged him in the open.

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cyber has a hard enough time putting together coherent sentences. Why everyone followed him like some demi god is beyond me.

[Chikun]

cyber has a hard enough time putting together coherent sentences. Why everyone followed him like some demi god is beyond me.

Because I didn't know the role he had existed and him claiming the same role twice didn't faze me as I thought Brett couldn't possibly be mafia three times in a row for the Roman game yet look what happened. It also didn't help that when Brett was killed and confirmed town it made me think that Cyber wasn't full of shit. That whole game I was trying to play every angle but as they say, the knife that hits is the one unseen.

Masskid claiming firefighter also didn't faze me as I assumed he would be counterclaimed if he was full of shit. The balls in attempting that though... Wow. Not even mad lol.

[BladeTwinSwords]

Role claiming Cop is actually a fairly standard move since 9 times out of 10, there is a Doctor and he will more than likely protect you if you claim. You didn't know there was an arsonist until someone said they were doused. Even then, they could be lying.

[SCRIBBLE]

Who was saying something about tears in jars at the beginning of this game?

[Chikun]

Who was saying something about tears in jars at the beginning of this game?

I believe it was Nem when Blade made the post about no post restrictions and people bitched.

[Sin]

Faking post restrictions, especially THOSE post restrictions is retarded. Faggots roleplaying. smh... GO LARP ELSEWHERE!

[SCRIBBLE]

(It was Mikey. That post was directed at Mikey.)

[CYBER]

(It was Mikey. That post was directed at Mikey.)
mhmmm i can confirm that.
you even said it during our night chat with sin...
That's one of the things that lead you to think mikey was the cop this time... i don't even know HOW you deduced that early in game... but gg man... gg.

[DJ_MikeyRevile]

[QUOTE=CYBER;165100]mhmmm i can confirm that.
you even said it during our night chat with sin...
That's one of the things that lead you to think mikey was the cop this time... i don't even know HOW you deduced that early in game... but gg man... gg.[/QUOT E]

you mean to say that scribb deduced i was the cop from a post i made regarding tear filled jars? nonsense!

[What]

[QUOTE=CYBER;165100]mhmmm i can confirm that.
you even said it during our night chat with sin...
That's one of the things that lead you to think mikey was the cop this time... i don't even know HOW you deduced that early in game... but gg man... gg.[/QUOT E]

you mean to say that scribb deduced i was the cop from a post i made regarding tear filled jars? nonsense!

I deduced you lack proper brain function from your posts, so why is that so far fetched.

[CYBER]

[QUOTE=DJ_MikeyRevile;165148]I deduced you lack proper brain function from your posts, so why is that so far fetched.your quoting system is broken. I thought u were talking to me until i saw the 'lack of brain function' comment. Also. I lolled

[Chikun]

[QUOTE=What;165179]your quoting system is broken. I thought u were talking to me until i saw the 'lack of brain function' comment. Also. I lolled

So is yours.

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Your dumb shit fucked up my shit.

[Nemesis]

One thing I thought was hilarious was when you guys had decided to vote for Shadow he PMed me and asked if he could send his night one action in. I told him that no, since it was day two already he couldn't, and he was pissed off I wouldn't let him do it.

Then after he was lynched he STILL wanted to use his abilities.

No wonder this guy is friends with Cyber...

[What]

One thing I thought was hilarious was when you guys had decided to vote for Shadow he PMed me and asked if he could send his night one action in. I told him that no, since it was day two already he couldn't, and he was pissed off I wouldn't let him do it.

Then after he was lynched he STILL wanted to use his abilities.

No wonder this guy is friends with Cyber...

WTF does he not understand English or is he just a retard? Plus you totally should have let him do it so you could write, oh btw, cyber really wasn't doused or something like that, no way that would look bad or sketchy.