McSugar Daddy 02/10/2015 15:33

[lcoleman]

Name in Game: McSugar Daddy
Steam-ID: STEAM_0:1:11558689
Who banned you: Lily
When: 02/10/2015
Where: GunGame MOD+
Why banned: Wallhack
Link to ban:

Other/Reason to unban: I do not wallhack first of all. I have 4,770 hrs on record for this account(my only account) after the steam update (probably more than a thousand before the update and about 2000 hrs on cs 1.6. So yes I'm good because I play a lot. I have never hacked in CSS, CS 1.6, nor any PC games. This ban was unjust because I was banned just for being good because I play this game a lot. If I was wallhacking your source mod anti-cheat system would have detected wallhack files. The only time I have been banned was for talkin sh** to an admin. Never for hacking

I was banned because I killed some guy after running around the pillar. A guy in a place where everyone is on the top of the map on blue advanced. I want to see a demo or whatever proof you think you may have as well.

[ricochet]

the demo's I watched of deagle and especially of blue arena say otherwise, my friend. I believe you toggle some kind of hack that allows you to see or sense other players. There were several cases where you run up behind a crate on deagle on the left side of spawn and stared right through it to check if the way was clear. You have an amazing knack for lining people's heads up from around corners. In blue arena, especially the first few rounds, you were obvious IMAO. There were several cases later on where you looked right through structures at other players.

In blue arena, tics ~13000, ~14,500, ~19,800 and ~25,100 to name a few. All tics where you were looking right at other players. Then there are the first few rounds in that demo.

It does not look good for you. There are MANY hacks that anti-cheat systems and VAC don't detect and there are EVEN MORE hackers who keep up with the latest and greatest cheats to circumvent anti-cheat systems. We've caught so many here that we've lost count so your excuse of total playing time and anti-cheat not catching you doesn't fly.

Your ban will be dealt with here.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13107-McSugar-Daddy-02-10-15-15-33-STEAM_0-1-11558689

[lcoleman]

I can take a webcam of me playing on another server real quick showing you the way I play and that I don't wallhack.

LOL it's really sad to here that you guys think that. Um no I played that deagle map on DOGZ DM 1000x of times. How can I stare through something when I dont have wallhacks? It's just countless experience and using sound and being smart.

Like I said 6000+ hours of playing CS and never being banned for hacking.

In blue arena running towards middle and knowing they're going to pop out. So one is always there in the beginning. If you noticed I used the exact same tactic and moved the exact same way in the middle even when there was someone not there. Coincidence? no I just know the tactic that works and assume someone is there even if they are not. Why? Cuz it's a small gungame map and there is so little variation of moves users can do and very few spots users can camp in. The tactic that works running out. If I get killed the round before I delay it or bait the other guy. So they assume I went the other way. Because of the network delay of the signal reaching the server and then to do I have about 100 ms of killing him before he even see's me then another 10-50 ms of it reaching his screen from his computer then another 10-50 ms of the user reacting to me popping out.

[lcoleman]

But if you just say guilty or not guilty without giving the user a chance to prove their innocence here then have a nice day lol.

[StarsMine]

This thread is still open for a reason, because of your appeal we have to have more people watch the demo.

You do realize a webcam of you playing is no proof at all. Thats like saying, no officer I dont speed, here watch me not speed, as you drive down the road.

[lcoleman]

2400 - Explained above. It's a usual spot. I've played the map many times. It's obvious that day players rush the "middle" when there are that many players on. It's the middle and it's a small map what can I say. And obvious they are going to try to follow the path of least distance to travel to get from point A to point B. Case closed lol. And again read above. I know the delay there works. I've been using that tactic for weeks on this server. After I think they are easy kills or when it becomes a race with my teammate which it was starting to become if you see from the previous rounds I just rush them at the same spot until they kill me. Then I delay again if they start killing me there. Did you notice how many rounds someone from ts rushed the middle during the whole demo?

7800-The guy was obvious there because the previous round he had killed me so I made sure to check that time. See tick 6200<-The previous round where I died.

9700-It's obvious that every round before 9700 tick that was the first spot I checked except the round at 7800 because I wanted to make sure I killed the guy that killed me the round at 6200. Just go back and watch every previous round. My proof is there. Additionally at frame ~9742 you can clearly see his head pop out in the demo. Which is more reason why I thought to check there.

And no it's not the same thing as saying no officer I don't speed. Because if I'm still performing the same shots, doing the same tactics and still getting the same or similar kills then it gives more credibility to the idea that I never wallhacked in the first place. Because if I can do the same thing without wallhacking and it looks the same ... then why wallhack at all if the result is the same? Except I feel good because video games are meant to be a challenge and to prove yourself. If you use hacks it just defeats the purpose.

And it's obvious from the people I didn't kill that killed me similar to at 14800 +/-300 that just popped out and killed me that I can't see through walls

[lcoleman]

19500-I think you meant 20000. Obviously I didn't see him through wall or else I would have killed him. Unlike the guy you said I prefired at 9700 (the one that head popped out at 9742 or 41 or 43.. he didn't show up past the wall at all so I never seen him on my screen. Why would I skip him because from the demo he isn't even looking in my direction when I go up the ramp but from where I came...easy kill. Instead I go after the guy that's already looking in my direction and pops out already looking at me? That makes no sense if I was wallhacking. The only reason I went that way was because I didn't see the guy on the top of ramp and I usually find someone in that spot like at tick 3296. Additionally, of course I'm going to keep checking the top of ramp for someone to peak over and kill me. It's the tspawn and there are campers. But I didn't see anyone so I moved along. And like I said it's a small map. You can demo anyone for a few minutes and say they were looking at someone through a wall if your criteria is only glancing in that direction... Don't believe me? Then demo yourself for as long as you did me and go back and watch it. The only difference I switch back and forth really quickly because my sensitivity is higher and I'm used rotating my view 150 degrees quickly to scan for enemies from simple experience

24000- I don't even know what you could possible be talking about. Can I get an exact timestamp or tick?

The only thing I'm really being accused of is learning from my past experiences.

And any experienced admin would know that the main criteria for checking if user's with 4000+ hours are cheater's is if they ALWAYS perform at extremely high levels. Earlier in the week I got owned. Other days on this server I rock.

And you should check my reaction times after a user pops out from a corner .. analyze it tick by tick. Figure out the fastest human response milliseconds (ms) of an athlete and the number of ms in between two ticks. Account for screen lag. And then you have your lower bound of how quickly I should be able to kill someone that's not in a spot. If I cross this lowerbound and am faster then I am wallhacking. If I don't then I am not wallhacking. And there's your proof that I'm not wallhacking. That's the only way to know if a user is wallhacking.

Sucks that I can't even post my own rebuttal on the vote. Fair system... How many admin will even look at my rebuttal before voting? And how many have at least 5 years experience?

[swagbot 9k]

http://i.imgur.com/12Lo1L3.gif

[StarsMine]

I think all clan has >5 years experience, And they are the ones that have to look at your appeal. I actually cant find one Clan who is less then 5...

Admins do bans, Ula will confirm or overturn, at an unban me thread stage you bring in clan to will either confirm or overturn.

[lcoleman]

Ok. Then I should be in good hands.

I would just like to note that I never once tried to or accidentally shot someone through the wall throughout the entire demo that didn't reveal themselves once. Not one shot through a wall lined up with an opponent ever. I don't even think I fired through a wall. You know how much focus that will take. Human beings make mistakes. That's pretty much impossible. The only way its possible is if I wasn't wallhacking.

Well said all I had to say on the subject.

Have a nice day.

[brett friggin favre]

seriously guys? this constitutes evidence for a ban now?

blue arena is one of the simplest maps in GG. the amount of corners and spots for people to be peeking/hiding is remarkably small compared to maps like deagle, spacetower, lego mafia, etc. because of this, it is very easy to predict where someone will be and when they'll be there. that combined with sound and radar explains everything in the demo. there's nothing here. i have no idea what any of you are seeing in this demo.

walls are not something that's just "obvious from the start" like a parkinsons aimbot or spinbot. individual ticks need to be pointed out and they need to be inexplicable except for using some sort of vision assistance.

"pretty clear from the beginning of the map" - watch what happens almost every single round, especially in the beginning. people go into the middle. several of them. what does he do first round? anticipating that, he goes to the middle, pauses, then peeks late hoping to surprise the enemies. it works. he does that a few more times, but how is any of that evidence when everyone knows that's where people go every round? there are 5 ways to go on this map: up top to the right, up top mid, floor to the left, floor mid, and floor right. every one of these ways has clear sight lines, and with 5 options and 10 people on each side in a full server, guess what, 90% of the time at least one person's gonna go each way. also when your team is winning, the other one will almost always stay at or near their spawn points, behind the big block or on their back ramp. soooooo easy to predict that just by knowing the situation and looking at your radar. that's why blue arena is likely the WORST map to try to catch a waller on, it's so easy to predict enemy movement, and to not even post ticks with all of that stacked against catching a waller is just lazy.

if this ban sticks with nothing more than the evidence posted, it's a clear sign that standards for hacking bans have dropped here. there's nothing in the demo posted.

[ricochet]

Thanks for that valuable piece of insight, Brett. Now, move along please.

OP, no one accused you of shooting through a wall. You have been accused of seeing or sensing players through solid obstructions. There were too many cases where you looked right at a player for no specific reason. I think you're good at what you do.

[lcoleman]

After specing LILY and MINJAE from ibis

Lily.ibis:
4100 Toggles Wallhacks
4440-stares at opponent through wall obvious wallhack and turns as the user turns to shoot him
Would be more but she spends most of her time toggling and then going to spectate.

Minjae.ibis:
2590 and on - tracks user through wall at the top as he is coming out. So it's obvious from the start. Can't be explained by radar. No players from his team team are on that side of the map
3580 - sees user moving up side and turns guns toward him and decides not to not look so he doesn't get caught walling since he's an admin
5980 - stares and tracks user through wall in middle and strafes to match their speed to kill without having to move mouse. Wallhacks confirmed.
6590 - Stares at user that's on the other side of the ramp
7520-7700 - Looks at where all the ts are on the top part of other side of map through wall. Guy on right he ignores since he isn't looking at minjae but the one in tspawn is looking his direction so he goes for him instead.
11400 and other parts - possible bhop scrip detected. This is a gateway hack that leads to walling and triggerbot. Continued use even after the installation and use of other hacks.
11700- THIS IS THE MOST OBVIOUS - Look at how he bhops and as he lands he stares at the opponent on the other side of the map through the wall. Wallhacks definitely confirmed

the only difference I notice between minjae and myself is his reaction is slow... guy sits in front of him at 10300 for a few seconds until he finally decides to move his crosshair towards him to fire. FAR BELOW THE AVERAGE HUMAN REACTION TIME. Probably doesn't realize he's not behind a wall. Other possibility maybe lower spatial awareness or the neurons in his retina that processes moving objects has slower functioning than normal. Could be genetics or lack of sports during childhood development or a tumor on his optic nerve. Get that checked.

And if you want to know why I stop that far to the right. You can see that I have a MAXIMUM right turn radius on most turns throughout the demo. This is due to my 2nd monitor on an arm in front of my printer. I can only move it so far before I hit the monitor. The reason I quickly "flick" left right (too slow to be considered flicking) is because a user to me can pop out behind any wall from the left or right side at any moment. If I had wallhacks I simply wouldn't need to do this. I would just stare at where the user would pop out of all the time. But honestly, I can see why you guys think I wallhack. After years of play from seeing lily and manjae you guys have slow reaction times, really bad aim, and you frequently don't preaim where the user heads will be. Your aim is kind of all over the place. But this is probably because you've always banned good players (since they upset your ego) and never got that valuable experience since you guys only play crap players. Anyway you probably never gave them a chance like you did me since you read what I said but didn't even try to process or understand what I was saying. I can tell from your replies. Have fun with your server, if you want email me for tips. I'll see you guys on CSGO in servers with decent players or ESEA. Well ... you'll see me there.

[I'm a zambi]

After specing LILY and MINJAE from ibis

Lily.ibis:
4100 Toggles Wallhacks
4440-stares at opponent through wall obvious wallhack and turns as the user turns to shoot him
Would be more but she spends most of her time toggling and then going to spectate.

Minjae.ibis:
2590 and on - tracks user through wall at the top as he is coming out. So it's obvious from the start. Can't be explained by radar. No players from his team team are on that side of the map
3580 - sees user moving up side and turns guns toward him and decides not to not look so he doesn't get caught walling since he's an admin
5980 - stares and tracks user through wall in middle and strafes to match their speed to kill without having to move mouse. Wallhacks confirmed.
6590 - Stares at user that's on the other side of the ramp
7520-7700 - Looks at where all the ts are on the top part of other side of map through wall. Guy on right he ignores since he isn't looking at minjae but the one in tspawn is looking his direction so he goes for him instead.
11400 and other parts - possible bhop scrip detected. This is a gateway hack that leads to walling and triggerbot. Continued use even after the installation and use of other hacks.
11700- THIS IS THE MOST OBVIOUS - Look at how he bhops and as he lands he stares at the opponent on the other side of the map through the wall. Wallhacks definitely confirmed

the only difference I notice between minjae and myself is his reaction is slow... guy sits in front of him at 10300 for a few seconds until he finally decides to move his crosshair towards him to fire. FAR BELOW THE AVERAGE HUMAN REACTION TIME. Probably doesn't realize he's not behind a wall. Other possibility maybe lower spatial awareness or the neurons in his retina that processes moving objects has slower functioning than normal. Could be genetics or lack of sports during childhood development or a tumor on his optic nerve. Get that checked.

And if you want to know why I stop that far to the right. You can see that I have a MAXIMUM right turn radius on most turns throughout the demo. This is due to my 2nd monitor on an arm in front of my printer. I can only move it so far before I hit the monitor. The reason I quickly "flick" left right (too slow to be considered flicking) is because a user to me can pop out behind any wall from the left or right side at any moment. If I had wallhacks I simply wouldn't need to do this. I would just stare at where the user would pop out of all the time. But honestly, I can see why you guys think I wallhack. After years of play from seeing lily and manjae you guys have slow reaction times, really bad aim, and you frequently don't preaim where the user heads will be. Your aim is kind of all over the place. But this is probably because you've always banned good players (since they upset your ego) and never got that valuable experience since you guys only play crap players. Anyway you probably never gave them a chance like you did me since you read what I said but didn't even try to process or understand what I was saying. I can tell from your replies. Have fun with your server, if you want email me for tips. I'll see you guys on CSGO in servers with decent players or ESEA. Well ... you'll see me there.
:lmao:

[minjae]

I do wallhack. I need to update my bhop scripts tho. It's been a bit wonky recently.
As for my reaction time. I'm about 98% legally blind.
I play with esp and also....you can't forget about my guide dog...he barks when to shoot.

[phil.™]

I do wallhack. I need to update my bhop scripts tho. It's been a bit wonky recently.
Perma banned, closed. :smirk:


As for my reaction time. I'm about 98% legally blind.
You should see him tint... Sometimes I'm just like, WTF are you even cutting?

[lcoleman]

LOL I think most of you get the sarcasm. And that the criteria you used to ban me is straight laughable. Honestly if you check those ticks for minjae and compare them to the one he said about me. You'll see major similarities. Coincidence?? Dun Dun Dunnnnnnn

Nice deflect minjae with a joke.

Let me spell it out for you .... neither one of us are hacking. And if you don't read my justification of my "alleged hacking ticks" or of minjae and actually check the demo of minjae (since he is an admin and alleged non hacker and you can see that his criteria for banning me is the same as the ticks I pointed out for him. ) as well then you shouldn't respond and you honestly shouldn't vote. Speaking to the 3 that did.

But minjae you probably won't because like bret said ... you're lazy ... and your ego won't risk you being wrong haha.

BTW thanks bret the voice of reason.

And any admin in any other server would let you upload your files (to a filesharing service) so they can check manually if the files were tampered with ... not just with SMAC ... but I'm guessing by checking creation timestamps... modification timestamps ... etc ... running the files to see if there are wallhacks. IDK the exact methodology because I've never been accused of hacking by any admin before (at least to my "face") in over 11+ years of gameplay (few times in 99' then starting again in 2004 cs1.6 until 2015 css) much longer than anyone here I'm sure. But from what I've seen on various other servers checking files manually is fairly common practice. These things are objective observations and all you have given are subjective.

Since this option was never given to me I'm guessing you are either incompetent, inexperienced, lazy, or banned me for other reasons that you don't wish to disclose

[phil.™]

I'll take a look into this this weekend (most likely Sunday). Slammed up at work, not much time to actually sit down with headphones and get a good look at a demo.

[lcoleman]

Thanks. Take your time. I probably won't play here again. Already deleted from my favorites. I just don't like people blaming me for sh** I don't do and I enjoy disabusing people (of their misconceptions). And I don't want the crap that happened to me here happening to someone else.

[brett friggin favre]

Thanks. Take your time. I probably won't play here again. Already deleted from my favorites. I just don't like people blaming me for sh** I don't do and I enjoy disabusing people (of their misconceptions). And I don't want the crap that happened to me here happening to someone else.

aww don't leave. if it makes you feel any better, this ( http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/4811-Check-this) was the start of my time here.

[StarsMine]

Lol

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/2540-StarsMine-12-31-5-30

Not many who didnt get banned on this forum.
Though mine wasnt for hacking, just by hacking.

[brett friggin favre]

funny how as soon as the ULA get into clan, they're too busy to take a few minutes to watch these demos. guess i'll do it anyway.


~PREVIOUSLY ON BRETT'S REVIEW~

We saw how the demo from blue arena had no evidence whatsoever. Any pre-aiming was the result of coincidence, anticipation, sound, or radar, and no external assistance was required for anything we saw. The lack of prefiring and wide peeks supported this conclusion, but damn near everyone seemed unconvinced. Now, we're back to look at the deagle demo...will it be the same story? Or is this curtains for McSugar Daddy? Find out now, on BRETT'S REVIEW!

-Episode 2-

I'll review EVERY FUCKING KILL. Just because.

1). No pre-aim, wide peek, normal reactions.
2). No pre-aim, open shot, normal reactions.
3). Reacts to gunfire, radar, and teammate death.
4). Continuous
TICK 3000 - if he was walling, he'd see the two enemies there. You might say "he saw them there, and he ran away so he didn't die!" I say, bullshit, he knows he's better than those camping noobs, he has an auto, he knows he can get at least 1 kill there and since GG is about getting kills and not having a high KDR, he'd go for that 10 times out of 10.
5). Follows enemy from where he first saw him, after looking the only place he could be based on teammate movement.
6). Improper crosshair placement, has to adjust to enemy, does so with normal reactions.
7). Again, normal reactions. Sees enemy, aims, scopes, fires.
8). AFK kill
TICK 6000 - Running completely away from the enemy. If walling, he'd know where the dude is. No reason to run to the other side of the map.
9). Snappy, but normal reaction after hearing gunfire.
10). Common spot, normal reactions.
11). Same spot as last time, baits teammate, normal reactions.
12). Again, normal reactions, easy kill on jumping enemy.
TICK 19700 - misses what would've been an easy kill close on his left. Dude ends up killing him. Next round, his delayed peek results in another missed kill.
13). Reacting to sound.
14). Normal reaction to enemy standing in an open corner.
TICK 24200 - again misses an easy kill to his right.
15). Easy kill on enemy with knife.
16). Continuous.
17). Turns AWAY from enemy before turning back to get the kill. This is because he only barely saw the enemy and had already decided to check a corner, before realizing "oh shit, i saw a dude".
18). Camps, easy kill with auto shotty.
TICK 35600 - standard corner to check. Nothing to see here. Doesn't get the kill anyway.
19). He's reacting to the flashlight, knows where to look, gets a kill on someone else first.
20). Runs away from prefiring p90, then goes back for the kill.
21). Now he kills the dude with the flashlight.
22). Easy kill into a pack of 3 enemies. Normal reaction upon seeing them.
23). Skips easier kill on his right to go for an enemy further away. Pays the price. If walling, he'd have taken the fight on his right. Lucky to get the kill he did.
TICK 52500 - same delayed peek we see every time he goes to this spot. Just a note.
24). Easy kill on stationary enemy
25). Delayed peek again, this time it pays off.
26). Easy kill onto scout enemy.

That puts him onto knife, and that's where we stop. One remotely fishy tick, so many others that show he's not walling. There is absolutely nothing here.

For the record, it took about 25 minutes to watch the demo and type up this whole post. Wasn't even close to necessary in order to see this guy isn't walling.

[SCRIBBLE]

Nothing has changed, sometimes we are busy and sometimes we have free time. All three of us work for a living and have done so since we made ULA. Though your review is welcomed, your snark is unnecessary.

I had planned to make this a priority at one point but things came up. Seeing how the player in question has not only been an asshole in most of his comments, he has also made it clear that he does not intend to play in our servers in the future which makes this unban request a low priority on my to-do list.

I skipped over your review of the tics. My respect for your input dwindled after the first sentence of your post. The last two sentences were the last nails in the coffin.

[brett friggin favre]

this thread's been open almost a week, and i've previously pm'd cyber and phil about it. cyber didn't reply, phil said he looked at bluearena and intended to look at deagle with sound, which he will probably be doing tonight based off what he said.

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13027-Unban-GOD - been open nearly a month

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13087-zhypanova-2-2-2015-17-53-STEAM_0-1-9243097 - was open nearly 2 weeks

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13093-Hypocritical-Admins - been open nearly 2 weeks

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php/13074-Aero-ibis-a - been open over 2 weeks

i know what it's like when shit gets busy. i worked 14 hours/day while i was ula summer before last, and believe it or not there was indeed still time to take 15-30 minutes to look at demos when i got home.

the problem here isn't that he wants to play here but can't, it's that you have 1 admin, 2 ula, and 1 clan member who voted to ban this dude when there's nothing in the demos to suggest he should be banned. that's a problem. idc whether you respect me or not, idc whether or not you think my snark was necessary, i'm pissed because i thought that in my time here, we'd set higher standards for hacking bans. we worked together to make sure things got handled fairly quickly but also correctly, we picked up the slack when others weren't around and that's just not happening now. it's no pride, all complacency.

[lcoleman]

Thanks brett for taking your time to review

I do have to agree with brett on everything. And it's kind of messed up that admin like ricochet just dismiss what he has to say even tho I'm sure brett did a more thorough analysis of the demos. But apparently if you don't line up with mass opinion here then you're automatically dismissed? Sounds like nazi germany.

This is what I feel happened: I sucked on the sex map at the beginning because well I just joined. Once I warmed up to the server, players, etc. I got a few kills. (admin or people thought I was hacking because of this. Weird because a hacker would destroy as soon as he gets on. Especially one that has played for 6000+ hours. I doubt there would be any need to customize hack settings if you played with hacks on that much).

Next map I've played 1000x on Dogz gungame Death match (which I'm ranked 2nd on and have played every week for the past 7 months) so I know all of the routes and win. (predictable map)

Next map bluearena. The most simple map besides the funtimes maps and get kills because it's honestly one of the most predictable maps in existence. So since I'm not that bad of a shot I get kills and am about to win. Even though I don't do so well when I get to the pistols segment of the gun game.

Do better than the admins on at the time so they look at any tick that may look fishy in the demo without even comparing it to the previous rounds, common sense, radar, nor sound apparently and just say I'm hacking. They say I looked at people through walls? There was probably only one incidence in the blue arena demo where it could have been misconstrued as that but if you look at everything else you would realize it's well in the range of statistical probability. Don't believe me? Then watch minjae during the same demo. Who has more occurrences of looking at someone "through a wall" than in my demo. Look at my previously reply. I list the ticks it looks fishy for both Lily and Minjae.

[phil.™]

Blue arena -- I saw nada.
Few notable ticks I should mention
Where he lines up at beginning, that's normal, strafing back and forth (predicting where headshot level will be) typical.
3600 is the ONLY and i mean ONLY tick i was iffy about cause he whipped around and shot and killed. Play it again, you can hear footsteps. But at normal speed, kinda hard to hear but you can still hear it.
9700 you see a SLIGHT glimpse of pre-fire, i mean SLIGHT glimpse. And that's only because Spray N' Pray was shooting at him prior.
19400 - Same reason as 9700, same person showing the enemy on radar.

Give me a few, let me look deagle.

[phil.™]

Okay for deagle -- ima have to say no walls again.
notable ticks
5000 - one of the fastest reaction times in this demo, or any demos of him. BUT, it's only a 12~14 tick reaction time. Count it, i counted it twice. Thats ~.17-.19 second of a reaction time. Coming from a place where enemies spawn, even my ass would prefire from that spot.
9700 - Scout shot, fast shot right? Wrong, that's a 25 tick shot, that's 1/4 of a second to shoot. I've seen faster at luckier pace. I've done worse. I just shot one time when i meant to reload and i got a headshot 0.0. It happens
23800, seems like prefire, minj was shooting at desert while he was jumping in the air, caught the sound and radar.
35900, seems like prefire behind box, go back to 35400, slow it down, you can see shots fired. YOu can actually see shots fired at fast pace without slowing it down.

My vote is unban. Dude isn't walling.

- - - Updated - - -

Sorry it took so long for me to get to this, busy season for me at work now.

This is now up to zero, do not close.

[lcoleman]

Thank you phil for thoroughly reviewing the demos. I appreciate it

[Steamer]

Some people have 14 hour days, a family, and a multitude of other shit to do you dick. When I get a few minutes of time besides just being able to look I'll come in if zero doesn't handle it. Probably Friday.

Throws feelings and attention at Brett.

I don't recall when I made clan. I do recall not being able to handle an abuse thread until this weekend. So there's that.

[rawrr]

I guess i'll throw in my :twocents: even though it means nothing :icon_mrgreen:

I'm gonna have to agree with Brett and Phil on this one. He's quick and a good shot, hes a smart player and knows what he's doing.
No hacks

[brett friggin favre]

Some people have 14 hour days, a family, and a multitude of other shit to do you dick.

yup, some people. some people have legit excuses, but everyone? speaking in general, if someone's unable to do what's asked, they need to delegate so that it gets done...but that's a line of thinking that turned literally the entire clan against me before so i guess that's a touchy subject.

this is a longstanding pattern, you know it as well as i do.

clan members: SCRIBBLE, CYBER, phil, XX0wnsXY, Spasm, Steamer, -=NYS=-C.O., anex, deprodigy, Dual, dutch, Hitman, inthebutt, Jeimuzu, JigSaW, ManBearPig<ibis>, maynard, midget, Rapedollar$, rezel, ricochet, The.Beast.13., uncle june, vladninja, wickedtribe, XxMastagunzxX, ZERO. i just finished a playthrough of Mario's Fun With Numbers, and that looks like 27 members. of those, how are even remotely active now? i count 8. that's 1 in 3.5.

you and scribb both know that ibis clan members have a tendency to disappear. in my first conversation with cyber after he got clan, he joked that he can now do what he always wanted to: leave like everyone else. i see threads going un-handled for weeks at a time, and it just fits right into the pattern. the reason for adding scribb, phil, and cyber to clan was clear: to get more active members in the clan. i was glad, still am, but their activity has dropped since that point. these guys are still my friends, for the most part, i guess scribb's mad now but whatever, i'm trying to get some butts in gear so they don't get to be like the rest of them.

if i came off as a dick in doing that, oh well. i'm not ula any more, i don't have to even pretend to kiss ass.

[swagbot 9k]

Brett makes a valid point. Whilst we have many clansmen, less than 2/3 are active. ULA should be able to substitute for this or maybe have more of a presence by the current clan (but I understand why we don't like Steamer said).

That being said, You're a fucking prick. I am glad you have to wait, maybe it will fix your shitty attitude.

[lcoleman]

Yes I understand that everyone has responsibilities that are more important than video games. So take your time.

Maybe you guys should make brett an admin since you have a dwindling supply of active admins.

@swagbot9k I know you're not talking to me

[brett friggin favre]

Maybe you guys should make brett an admin since you have a dwindling supply of active admins.

god, no.

[SCRIBBLE]

It does not matter what anyone says or does, it is up to one person at this point and that is ZERO. I am on an internet connection provided by microwave 150 miles offshore, if it will download I will look at it as I said I would and if not I will once I get back on Tuesday night. Brett I was never mad, simply disinterested in your input on this thread alone based solely on your attitude. Read that post again and you will see that. Complacency has nothing to do with it, we are busy people. Even if we weren't, your method to get our "butts in gear" sucked and would still fall on deaf ears even if the issue was in fact complacency. Approach this type of thing rationally. Don't throw out accusations based on assumptions, your abilities, and your availability. Not everyone that said this guy hacked has your experience and both you and the dude in question belittled them throughout. Look at the situation at hand and you would know ZERO is the only one that can handle it outside of the banning admin. Forgive the format, posting from phone

[Steamer]

Zerooooooooooo

[lcoleman]

Haha what? Maybe you didn't see what I seen because the admin edited their post.

When I was banned I tried to talk to Lily but was blocked. I instantly came here to start an appeal. Sometime by the next day they showed me the ban voting on my appeal and minjae said my appeal was permanently closed with proof like this from Lily:

"Multiple people started to suspect him of walling. It started on sex fix, but wasnt sure.. Let him play for a few more maps. On deagle he had some fishy shots, but on blue arena its pretty clear from the beginning of the map.

Right at the first round he runs towards the middle to get the first enemies. You see him looking directly at them. This just goes on... Just watch the demo." - talking about bluearena. That's proof?

I mean why should I respect the admin(the ones that voted) that did such a shotty job, especially in a server I'm already "permanently banned" from and the appeal was closed until phil said something. I took it personally (until Phil opened it again). I mean why vote and why even ban someone when you don't even try to critically think and analyze the demos thoroughly and objectively. Minjae did a shotty job too and I demoed him and pointed out how his ticks were far more suspicious than my own using his own logic.

I do respect admin like Phil who actually took the time and analyzed the demo. Also, I thank him for that. He even checked my reaction times which is the first thing Lily should have done before she issued a ban. Even brett, who isn't even an admin did a substantially more thorough job in analyzing the demos.

To me that's just disrespectful of the admin to me from the beginning. And if you think I reacted poorly to that disrespect then so be it.

[Steamer]

I agree, however, due to the differing opinions of clan members Zero must now call the ban. I apologize you must deal with this wait as Zero seems a very busy man right now. Alternate appeals can always be made for strictly clan decision. You could at least contain yourself even if you don't respect someone.

[phil.™]

Let's all get one thing straight, we all have real life shit going on. As much as one wants to be on and be active, something else may come up. Majority of clan has a full time job. This week, i got hit by two snow storms, and blew out my air compressor and water pipes due to cold weather. Sorry I haven't been on; real life shit comes up. When things get handled, it'll get handled.

[maynard]

I see no definite proof of hacks. unbanned.

resolved closed.

[Steamer]

Agreed.