Fast Zombies

[loka]

Apparently we have some new players to the server that after playing with other admins have concluded that it's a server rule that fast zombies are banned from escape maps.

I want to know where it is outlined, and until the rule is implemented and set in stone FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD stop making this an official phantom server rule.

If you admins want to sit there and fucking babysit half the server because 3 people want to bitch about a zombie class then by all means waste your gaming time, but do not waste it at the expense of frivolous rules because you deem it as unfair.

[OMGBEARS]

Eh, it's pretty much just a courtesy thing as far as I can tell. If there are enough people complaining about it I'll generally ask that players change their classes instead of spending 15+ minutes in spec to catch fasts anymore. If I get 30 players voting yes to limit the use of fast zombies, I tend to go with what the player base wants. Otherwise I don't sweat it. And if the senior admin on doesn't care, I don't either.

No need to worry so much about it, Loka.

[loka]

No. I had a regular tell me today that a senior admin stated that no fast zombies is now a server rule. I said "o rly?" So I sat in spectate and froze bomb a fast zombie that froze a bunch of CT's. After that episode, everyone sucked up having fast zombies. Like I said, if any other admins want to baby sit it's fine. However, I know for a fact most admins won't even bother to place a vote. Courtesy or not, it's a stupid reason to use admin powers.

[OMGBEARS]

Eh, I'm in the camp that if players are having fun it's generally okay.

It's definitely not a rule, though, you're right about that. I would have just slapped the regular and went back to owning bitches.

[Oasis]

It's only for some maps. Most regulars know which maps fast are just ridiculous on, and which don't matter.

Also, it's the admin's job to keep the server in order. If half the server or even a few people say that fast zombies are lame and shouldn't be used on "some" escape maps, then the admin can tell everybody to not use a fast zombie and to change their class. If you don't listen, then suffer the consequences.

Sometimes i'll use a fast zombie on jurassicpark, but i won't tag anyone. I usually only do it to rush to the end and close the gate on the humans. I won't usually tag anyone unless they repeatedly shoot me, KNOWING I WON'T TAG THEM.

So basically, if an admin tells everyone to get off the fast zombie class on a certain map, then just do it. Don't try to rebel, and you won't get abused.

[loka]

And that's fine Oasis, but I was more worried on who was spraying the GOATSE and child porn spray then the three people complaining about fast zombies. The priorities of administering is silly. I'm one of the admins who doesn't care if there is fast zombies. We aren't here to babysit people despite what others think. We're here to restore order and carry punishment when a rule is being broken.

It's just silly to use powers on something you can't force someone to change their class. Of all the rules we have created in ZM, this one is inconsistent. The rest make sense; !ztele, cade breaking, no pre-nuking.

Different admins have their own set of little rules, and I have a feeling some clan members are not a fan of this. Like I said if certain admins want to do it on certain maps, then be my guest.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

ketchup / catsup. same shit.

the reason why we designate "senior admin" to the first to connect is just this. It's up to the discretion of the senior admin to determine stuff like this, but so far i've only seen people say they would enforce if the players request, so who really cares.

[loka]

I was the only admin. There has been confusion as to what senior admin is. There is some people who believe senior admin is who has been in IBIS the longest, and then there is the correct term of senior admin which is based on which admin connected first to the server.

[OMGBEARS]

Yup I should clarify that by senior admin I mean the admin who connected to the server first.

There are certain exceptions if for instance I hop on the gun game server or something when no other admins are on, then say Walter or yourself logs on, Anex, (or essentially any other well-known admin who knows what they're doing) then I tend to let them do what they want in terms of map choice and "house rules". Again, it's a courtesy thing, as most things admins do in terms of improving game play aren't by the book.

EDIT -- I do agree that there are more pressing matters most of the time rather than sitting in spec and watching for fast zombies. I'll be sure to make clear that it's not a server rule, and simply a courtesy if the players want to afford that to the rest of the server.

[Vladninja]

Senior admin should only dictate map votes... otherwise just because you logged in first doesn't give you the ability to make up rules. Also while we are on that subject senior admin is the first admin to log onto the server... NOT WHO HAS BEEN PLAYING AT IBIS THE LONGEST... I don't know who started that bullshit but it ends now. Zero and Jigsaw are the only two people who ever over rule that... even Clan doesn't auto give us senior admin (even though its good to respect whatever a Clan member asks).

Listen Omgbears before you start up with me I understand keeping the peace and making the game fun for everyone... You wouldn't know it (because I don't play anymore and haven't for about 8 months...) but I used to role with Zm players of legend. My first Zm server was IBIS and I racked up 160+ hours in IBIS ZM... Ive playd with the best, players like Pooter, Stamp, and Cujo... people who could go toe to toe with James (not saying the would win just likely equals)....

Point being I stopped playing cause way to many kids where buying admin and enforcing there own rules. Worst yet Older admins were doing the same thing. I would like to return and play some ZM but a lot of admins need to review the TOS and realize kicking a player is normally a fair alternative to banning unless you know someones being malicious.

[Curdy]

cough.... walter cough... cough....

[mastercheff]

Senior admin should only dictate map votes... otherwise just because you logged in first doesn't give you the ability to make up rules. Also while we are on that subject senior admin is the first admin to log onto the server... NOT WHO HAS BEEN PLAYING AT IBIS THE LONGEST... I don't know who started that bullshit but it ends now. Zero and Jigsaw are the only two people who ever over rule that... even Clan doesn't auto give us senior admin (even though its good to respect whatever a Clan member asks).

Listen Omgbears before you start up with me I understand keeping the peace and making the game fun for everyone... You wouldn't know it (because I don't play anymore and haven't for about 8 months...) but I used to role with Zm players of legend. My first Zm server was IBIS and I racked up 160+ hours in IBIS ZM... Ive playd with the best, players like Pooter, Stamp, and Cujo... people who could go toe to toe with James (not saying the would win just likely equals)....

Point being I stopped playing cause way to many kids where buying admin and enforcing there own rules. Worst yet Older admins were doing the same thing. I would like to return and play some ZM but a lot of admins need to review the TOS and realize kicking a player is normally a fair alternative to banning unless you know someones being malicious.

This...........

[Oasis]

Senior admin should only dictate map votes... otherwise just because you logged in first doesn't give you the ability to make up rules. Also while we are on that subject senior admin is the first admin to log onto the server... NOT WHO HAS BEEN PLAYING AT IBIS THE LONGEST... I don't know who started that bullshit but it ends now. Zero and Jigsaw are the only two people who ever over rule that... even Clan doesn't auto give us senior admin (even though its good to respect whatever a Clan member asks).

Listen Omgbears before you start up with me I understand keeping the peace and making the game fun for everyone... You wouldn't know it (because I don't play anymore and haven't for about 8 months...) but I used to role with Zm players of legend. My first Zm server was IBIS and I racked up 160+ hours in IBIS ZM... Ive playd with the best, players like Pooter, Stamp, and Cujo... people who could go toe to toe with James (not saying the would win just likely equals)....

Point being I stopped playing cause way to many kids where buying admin and enforcing there own rules. Worst yet Older admins were doing the same thing. I would like to return and play some ZM but a lot of admins need to review the TOS and realize kicking a player is normally a fair alternative to banning unless you know someones being malicious.

James is probably better than stamp, but nowhere near pooter, eth, or cujo.

Also, true story.

[Christmas]

Cadebreaking isn't outlined in the rules.

Just saying not all rules are set in stone in the actual rulebook. And I have never seen anyone kicked or banned for using the fast.

And people like Hobo, James, and Mastagunz enforced the "no fast" rule on some escape maps because the fast ruined the game for everyone else.

Oasis: Eth was a rank whore who was never fun to play with and was a complete douchebag. He was not a benefit to the servers and I am glad he left.

[OMGBEARS]

Senior admin should only dictate map votes... otherwise just because you logged in first doesn't give you the ability to make up rules. Also while we are on that subject senior admin is the first admin to log onto the server... NOT WHO HAS BEEN PLAYING AT IBIS THE LONGEST... I don't know who started that bullshit but it ends now. Zero and Jigsaw are the only two people who ever over rule that... even Clan doesn't auto give us senior admin (even though its good to respect whatever a Clan member asks).

Listen Omgbears before you start up with me I understand keeping the peace and making the game fun for everyone... You wouldn't know it (because I don't play anymore and haven't for about 8 months...) but I used to role with Zm players of legend. My first Zm server was IBIS and I racked up 160+ hours in IBIS ZM... Ive playd with the best, players like Pooter, Stamp, and Cujo... people who could go toe to toe with James (not saying the would win just likely equals)....

Point being I stopped playing cause way to many kids where buying admin and enforcing there own rules. Worst yet Older admins were doing the same thing. I would like to return and play some ZM but a lot of admins need to review the TOS and realize kicking a player is normally a fair alternative to banning unless you know someones being malicious.

As odd as it sounds I do agree with you. Older admins shouldn't make up rules, let alone new admins.

All I'm saying is that admins do have a unique opportunity to add to game play in addition to ensuring that it's fair and within the ToS. It's a thin line, sure, but so long as the admin is careful it can work out. Beaconing in ZM is a half-decent example of this.


Just saying not all rules are set in stone in the actual rulebook. And I have never seen anyone kicked or banned for using the fast.

And people like Hobo, James, and Mastagunz enforced the "no fast" rule on some escape maps because the fast ruined the game for everyone else.

As for me allowing better-known admins do what they want in terms of map choice is that they know the game better than I do. They know what players like in terms of map choice as well as any server-specific rules. Camping, for instance in gun game is bad, but not bad in ZMod, or if you're defending on cs_office as a terrorist on the PuB. Cade-breaking doesn't even exist on servers outside the zmod server, and is still enforced by Zmod admins.

I'm sure WCS has a whole mess of rules that I don't even know. If maynard would log in and I was the only admin on, I wouldn't mind telling him "Hey maynard, you're senior admin, I have no clue what I'm doing."

Senior admins are the first admins that log in, sure, but there are finer points than that. Matrixninja, as much as I love him, when he first started with his admin he didn't know a lot in terms of server-specific rules (not cading in vents, etc). When I logged in and he was the only admin on he would let me assume the role of Senior admin, because I knew the rules better than he did.

After three months I think I've earned my wings, so if any other another (*non-zero*) admin logs onto the zmod I can pretty much say that I'm comfortable enough with the ToS that I can enforce rules and do map changes effectively. In contrast, on WCS I haven't the faintest idea of what to do.

[Christmas]

I'm pretty sure clan members have seniority no matter when they enter the server.

[OMGBEARS]

I'm pretty sure clan members have seniority no matter when they enter the server.

Yeah. I think the only people who log in who can automatically assume the role of senior admin are Zero, and Jigsaw. Maybe there are a choice few others, but they aren't active anymore.

[Andrew_Pavlik]

I know this sort of off-topic with house rules/rules/admin discussion but why even have fast zombies?

People always complain about them on escape maps and unless I don't really understand there usefulness, they arn't that useful on cad maps(if I am wrong feel free to explain why they are)

[StarsMine]

Fast zombies are fun, and are veary usefull in escape maps the heavly favor humans.
however, in maps the favor zombies is when fast are trouble, They should not be banned outright, however on certain escape maps they kill all fun and challenge. as others have already said.

[OMGBEARS]

I know this sort of off-topic with house rules/rules/admin discussion but why even have fast zombies?

People always complain about them on escape maps and unless I don't really understand there usefulness, they arn't that useful on cad maps(if I am wrong feel free to explain why they are)

On escape maps, the fast zombies' speed is what gives it the upper hand. Seeing as escape maps are essentially a race against one another.

On Cade maps they are pretty balanced, actually. I generally prefer to be a fast because their speed helps out in the circumstance you're the first zombie -- you have a better chance of getting to cade spots in the first ~40 seconds it takes to set up a solid cade. Likewise, reaction time is what kills people often in zmod, for example: getting up to someone and tagging them before they can react.

Basically, on escape maps that rely solely on speed will favor faster characters. On cading maps they are quite balanced seeing as they are exceedingly fragile and cades eliminate their speed advantage to a degree.

[Vladninja]

Fast zombies are fun, and are veary usefull in escape maps the heavly favor humans.
however, in maps the favor zombies is when fast are trouble, They should not be banned outright, however on certain escape maps they kill all fun and challenge. as others have already said.

That's actually a good way to put it.

Also you covered one of my major concerns. If everyone thinks fast is unfair on a certain escape map... fine... but maybe freeze the one or two noobs that wont listen.
Some Admins get a little ban happy which isn't always a bad thing but bans for not following the "bro code" are another thing. We have tons of punishments at our disposal.

[walterbrunswick]

That's actually a good way to put it.

Also you covered one of my major concerns. If everyone thinks fast is unfair on a certain escape map... fine... but maybe freeze the one or two noobs that wont listen.
Some Admins get a little ban happy which isn't always a bad thing but bans for not following the "bro code" are another thing. We have tons of punishments at our disposal.

BEARS, Oasis, Anex, and myself are lenient. We issue a LOT of warnings when it comes to fast. ZERO can check the logs.

There's only so much we can do. If players are too fucking blind and stupid to read the chat console AND/OR listen to our verbal warnings, we are left with little options.

I sometimes can't believe how retarded some players are. It's like talking to a brick wall.

[Jeimuzu]

Apparently we have some new players to the server that after playing with other admins have concluded that it's a server rule that fast zombies are banned from escape maps.

I want to know where it is outlined, and until the rule is implemented and set in stone FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD stop making this an official phantom server rule.

If you admins want to sit there and fucking babysit half the server because 3 people want to bitch about a zombie class then by all means waste your gaming time, but do not waste it at the expense of frivolous rules because you deem it as unfair.

As I say, "If you don't want fast zombies to kill everyone, don't play escape maps."


It's only for some maps. Most regulars know which maps fast are just ridiculous on, and which don't matter.

Unfortunately, not everyone knows. People keep asking me about spots, if they're 'legit' or not. Admins keep banning spots apparently. They even say "no barricading vents." If you're by yourself, then by all means, if you have the time and luck to not get tagged before being able to get a vent barricaded, then go for it. Get a deformed or two and you'll destroy them.

The only real rooms I would consider banning/freezing people for is the red room if it's barricaded, or if someone uses the giant shelf in Snoopie.


James is probably better than stamp, but nowhere near pooter, eth, or cujo.

Played with Beth, he sucked. He did nothing but camp vents, and was also really uptight.. Moreso than I.. And I've never met pooter or Cujo, or seen either of them play.

[walterbrunswick]

eth is an asshole, Oasis, I don't even know why you would bring him up.

pooter camped a lot, but he also was really good at cading and knowing the tricks in maps.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

is there any place here that i could find breakdowns of each zombie class' stats?

oh, and... <_< >_> <_< sassafrass

[OMGBEARS]

Type !classes I believe and it pops up with everything you need to know!

[Jeimuzu]

Which reminds me.. Zero still needs to make a command called !basics which brings up.. Well.. The basics.. Along with a short description of ZM, how to parachute, all the commands, and etc.

Actually, I still have the message I sent him:

I was wondering if it would be possible to add a simple command that displays a short description of ZM and its basics. (I.e. "Zombie Mod is a modification for Counter-Strike: Source that places you in the middle of a zombie outbreak, where you must run, hide, or build barricades to survive." or something along those lines.)

Quite a few people have been coming in and asking "What are we supposed to be doing?" or "What is this?" and such. I figure it wouldn't be that hard to create a simple command that is named "Description" inside the !zmenu command for key number 6, or accessed by typing !description via chat.

Or perhaps name it "Basics" instead of "Description." Though if you decided to do that, you could also include the rules, zombie classes and their stats, and general commands such as !ztele, how to parachute, ect.

Was just a thought.

[walterbrunswick]

It would be nice if there was a weapons' buy menu.

So you can select weapons and auto-buy the weapons every subsequent round.

I saw this on another zombie mod server and loved it...

[Jeimuzu]

It would be nice if there was a weapons' buy menu.

So you can select weapons and auto-buy the weapons every subsequent round.

I saw this on another zombie mod server and loved it...

It takes me literally 1 second to buy a pistol and my P90. From there I just hit rebuy. But if you wanted to, you could bind a key to buy everything you wanted.

But having the ability to set what you want to buy always, and it automatically buys it would be nice.

[Oasis]

Yes I know eth was an asshole, but he was decent. You'd definately be up there with pooter or cujo though james.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

no, i meant like somewhere that tells me what each class does. the !classes only lets me change them i think. i mean knockback, speed, jump, hp, invis...etc

[walterbrunswick]

no, i meant like somewhere that tells me what each class does. the !classes only lets me change them i think. i mean knockback, speed, jump, hp, invis...etc

That's what !class does...

[OMGBEARS]

It's actually !class

It does exactly what you want. I just tried it.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

oh. for some reason i thought it was just a shortcut for the class option in z=!zmenu, since ztele is in !zmenu but there's also just !ztele

[OMGBEARS]

We're no longer childhood friends, Acolyte.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

...and why would that be?

i don't like zombie mod anyway

[Rezel]

Zmenu does what it needs to do, we don't need to overcomplicate things for the simplicity of peoples stupidity do we?

you dislike zombie mod.... Er, acolyte why does your zombie activity say 100% then?

[Jeimuzu]

Zmenu does what it needs to do, we don't need to overcomplicate things for the simplicity of peoples stupidity do we?

you dislike zombie mod.... Er, acolyte why does your zombie activity say 100% then?

Rezel, a friend once told me "This universe contains a battle of two sides that will never end.. The programmers, and the constantly growing stupidity of idiots that these programmers have to constantly dump down things for."

Adding a simple !basics command wouldn't be hard, and wouldn't be complicated. It would just give a short description of zombie mod, and tell a few of the basics that people sometimes overlook.

[Rezel]

The more mods we add to the server the more lag your going to feel in the long run. Not only does it make it pointless to help idiots, I'd rather not have them on ibis. We don't need to be adding things, let alone possibly causing more problems as theres to many unfixed as it is....

[Jeimuzu]

Sadly I agree. But I've come to realize, they'll always be around. So might as well 'attempt' to help some of them.

Hell, some of them aren't even idiots. Everyone starts somewhere.

[Bumpkin]

Zmenu does what it needs to do, we don't need to overcomplicate things for the simplicity of peoples stupidity do we?

you dislike zombie mod.... Er, acolyte why does your zombie activity say 100% then?

Aco was playing with me in ZM last night, as well as a few other times.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

rez, you truly have me there. it has said almost 100% since i started playing here.

literally, i started playing it again a little bit, but for MONTHS i haven't touched zmod.