hallwagner

[hallwagner]

name in game: -√A™/L/hallwagner |MD|
steam id: STEAM_0:0:8340862
who banned me?: dr tran
when: around 2:25 pm eastern time
where: ibis zm
why banned: avoiding a bogus mute
other reason to unban: he had no legitimate reason he should have muted me, and i was dumb (not wrong) to go around the mute, but i believe the ban is for longer than an avoid mute ban should be. also i am an active/productive member in both the forumns and servers

[Fireye]

Going around a mute is always wrong. Try taking a break, and come back a bit later.

[Perry]

go fap for a bit sweetcheeks.

[Hitman]

name in game: -√A™/L/hallwagner |MD|
steam id: STEAM_0:0:8340862
who banned me?: dr tran
when: around 2:25 pm eastern time
where: ibis zm
why banned: avoiding a bogus mute
other reason to unban: he had no legitimate reason he should have muted me, and i was dumb (not wrong) to go around the mute, but i believe the ban is for longer than an avoid mute ban should be. also i am an active/productive member in both the forumns and servers


How fucking stupid are you? Seriously? You were an admin (horrible may I add) and you go around a mute and you say to unban you? Stay banned

[maynard]

go fap for a bit sweetcheeks.

lmfao :lmao:

[JUKE]

lets roll back to the start of the other thread...
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4003

lets put it this way the J word would be no better than the N word

admin won't take insults kindly thus Dr. Tran took it upon himself to mute you

then you decided to leave and come back avoiding the mute..being a former admin yourself you actually would of known what would happen when you did that...auto kick

keep it up it would make you no better than those random noobs who mic spam.. except this one talks shit

i say again the admin did their job

[hallwagner]

lets roll back to the start of the other thread...
http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4003

lets put it this way the J word would be no better than the N word

admin won't take insults kindly thus Dr. Tran took it upon himself to mute you

then you decided to leave and come back avoiding the mute..being a former admin yourself you actually would of known what would happen when you did that...auto kick

keep it up it would make you no better than those random noobs who mic spam.. except this one talks shit

i say again the admin did their job
although the n word is racist and jew is not....retard http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jew

[Perry]

calling someone a jew as in being greedy or a penny pincher is though hall.

everytime you say jew you use it in a context to insult someone.

[hallwagner]

calling someone a jew as in being greedy or a penny pincher is though hall.

everytime you say jew you use it in a context to insult someone.

fine insulting peoples not allowed then. the word is not racist. with your logic i cant call someone stupid, fag, bitch, or pussy. it doesnt matter if its used to describe a religion. can i not call someone christian? same godamn thing. and the first people who told me jew wasnt a racist word were jews. its just like calling someone whos muslim a muslim

[JUKE]

fine insulting peoples not allowed then. the word is not racist. with your logic i cant call someone stupid, fag, bitch, or pussy. it doesnt matter if its used to describe a religion. can i not call someone christian? same godamn thing. and the first people who told me jew wasnt a racist word were jews. its just like calling someone whos muslim a muslim

how bout you read up on the holocaust.. that may teach you something else.. its all about the way its used and the HISTORY behind it THERE FOR making it OFFENSIVE RETARD!!

[hallwagner]

so a religion is offensive? now thats racist

[Fireye]

fine insulting peoples not allowed then. the word is not racist. with your logic i cant call someone stupid, fag, bitch, or pussy. it doesnt matter if its used to describe a religion. can i not call someone christian? same godamn thing. and the first people who told me jew wasnt a racist word were jews. its just like calling someone whos muslim a muslim

I believe it falls under this section of the rules, depending on the context:


VII. Respect

1) Players that disrespect others
2) Player continuously nags others and continues despite reasonable requests to silence including mutes and kicks
3) Players that disrespect Admins or <ibis>

A) Player that nags an admin repeatedly despite being told to
B) Player that is not respectful of someone of a higher position
C) Flipping out at an admin after being told to

a) Cursing
b) Screaming into mic
c) Ranting about how the admin, ect is gay ect.


So yes, if you call someone a fag and they take offense, you should probably stop. If you call someone a jew and an admin takes offense, stop.

Rule to live by: DBAD - Don't Be A Dick

[hallwagner]

thats the stupidest fucking rule ever. being offended is someones opinion, therefore they can CHOOSE to be offended by anything. i can say "nice shot" then they get offended and i get muted...retarted. its not my fault dr tran is biased as hell against me and wants to start getting offended over nothing...thats his fucking issue

[KɅΞW]

So let me get this straight, you think calling people Jews is not offensive?

[hallwagner]

So let me get this straight, you think calling people Jews is not offensive?

i never said that. i said the rule is retarted. it leaves it so that anybody can ban anybody or mute anybody for anything

[Fireye]

i never said that. i said the rule is retarted. it leaves it so that anybody can ban anybody or mute anybody for anything

No, the rules say kick first, then ban. I think it might preface them with a verbal warning before those actions too.

[alex_mamaroneck]

@ Hallwagner

the word Jew is used in many ways. for example:

"there are 300 people in boat and half of them are jews"

"oh crap you shot me. you're such a jew"

"my father's friends are jews and so is my wife"

"you broke my cade you jew bag"

ask a jewish person (NOT YOUR FRIENDS) which sentences he finds it offensive. sec i have a web how people, who are jews, feel when its use in a certain way:
http://www.jewcy.com/jewcy_forums/discrimination_using_jew_as_an_insult

if you want to go in depth with that debate, it will get complex and you will lose your argument because u use the word, jew, in an insulting matter.
the majority of the admins don't like that word being used. the majority of the admins might have told you repeatedly not to use it.

if i were you, when i get muted i'd ask Dr Tran for the reason and then i'll wait until the end of the map and i will automatically get unmuted; i'm pretty sure if i avoid the mute, i'll get banned.
you really have to control yourself on this one. remember what i told you in the last thread when i muted you:

http://www.ibisgaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3934


thats the stupidest fucking rule ever. being offended is someones opinion, therefore they can CHOOSE to be offended by anything. i can say "nice shot" then they get offended and i get muted...retarted. its not my fault dr tran is biased as hell against me and wants to start getting offended over nothing...thats his fucking issue

[Jeimuzu]

Fun Fact: In the Bible, Jews are actually referred to as a race, not a religion.

I'm sorry Hall, but avoiding a mute warrants a ban.

[-=NYS=- C.O.]

Fun Fact: In the Bible, Jews are actually referred to as a race, not a religion.

I'm sorry Hall, but avoiding a mute warrants a ban.

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Everyone knows that Jews are not a race. What bible are you referring ? My bible surely doesn't say that bullshit.

[Perry]

and here comes another huge debate.

im with you NYS about judiasm being a religion not race.

people forget that they are just middle eastern

[acolyte_to_jippity]

nys, james, perry, lets just move on. hall's banned. it's done with. he's a racist fuck, regardless of jew being racist or not.

[Boobies]

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any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Judaism race.

[loka]

Last I checked the country is called Israel. They are Israelis, NOT classified as Jews. There is definitely Catholics, Muslims etc in Israel so lumping them in one country is dumb. It just so happens that's where the majority have came from. Only someone with a small brain so inept of grasping a world map and reading basic history of Israel, the Jews, and the Middle East would be so mistakenly ignorant to spout dumb bullshit they have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. The Middle East = a mind fuck of where religion happened, and never to be spoken about here.

/end

[Rapedollar$]

these are the days when i wish you were straight loka... or at least you would send me dirty pics of you and your lady friend.......

[loka]

these are the days when i wish you were straight loka... or at least you would send me dirty pics of you and your lady friend.......

haha :P

[Rapedollar$]

im sorry but im good like that... tell taco i says hai!

[loka]

im sorry but im good like that... tell taco i says hai!

lol. alright i will.

[alex_mamaroneck]

well NYS dont' hurt yourself on this one. James is right.. Jews are technically a race but never mentioned. Hebrews were the slaves of the Egyptian Empire until Moses freed them. i'm sure back then you can tell a difference between a hebrew and an egyptian. in a thousand years from today the world cannot tell a difference between a chinese and a mexican.

Did you also know that Jesus was born a Jew and Died a Jew? He never established his religion. he never created Christianity nor Catholicism. his followers did. Same goes for Buddha. if Jesus is the son of God then we are no different because we too are children of God. BUT what Jesus did that was thought to be impossible to the human race was that he introduced another way of living which is to live in peace and love with your neighboors. But after he died what his follower did was carried out his name and made up a bunch of stuff INCLUDING THE HOLY BIBLE. In result we killed alot of people under his name causing the destruction of University of Alexandria bringing our progress in life delayed for 500 years (we would have colonized mars by now) and causing the Crusades. Christianity killed natives in the Americas under Jesus's name. Hitler used his name as well. If he was alive today, how would he feel about all that has happen under his name since the day he rose from the dead?

going to back to Loka's argument: your right. it was ILLEGAL for the Jews to establish the state of Israel. Jews are not meant to have their own country according to their religion. Zionist, who are not real jews, forced the establishment. Jews are meant to live in peace and harmony with others around the world. Before Israel, Jews were very close to the Muslims (more like brothers and sisters). But all was distorted by Zionist.

close this thread. i feel that everytime i talk about stuff like this i feel a threat :reddot:


That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Everyone knows that Jews are not a race. What bible are you referring ? My bible surely doesn't say that bullshit.

[Spasm]

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Everyone knows that Jews are not a race. What bible are you referring ? My bible surely doesn't say that bullshit.

Going to agree with NYS here.

"Judaism is not a race

Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are both "Jewish." However, whereas Ashkenazi Jews often hail from Europe, Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East. People of many different races have become Jewish over the centuries.
Judaism is not a nationality

Although today Israel is often called the Jewish homeland, being Jewish is not a nationality because Jews have been dispersed throughout the world for almost two thousand years. Hence, Jews come from countries all over the world.
Judaism is both a cultural and religious identity

Being Jewish means that you are part of the Jewish people, whether because you were born into a Jewish home and culturally identify as Jewish or because you practice the Jewish religion (or both)." : http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/beingjewish.htm

Read up fellow friends, for I have brought proof that Jews are not a race, it is in fact a a cultural and religious identity

[hallwagner]

Going to agree with NYS here.

"Judaism is not a race

Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are both "Jewish." However, whereas Ashkenazi Jews often hail from Europe, Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East. People of many different races have become Jewish over the centuries.
Judaism is not a nationality

Although today Israel is often called the Jewish homeland, being Jewish is not a nationality because Jews have been dispersed throughout the world for almost two thousand years. Hence, Jews come from countries all over the world.
Judaism is both a cultural and religious identity

Being Jewish means that you are part of the Jewish people, whether because you were born into a Jewish home and culturally identify as Jewish or because you practice the Jewish religion (or both)." : http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/beingjewish.htm

Read up fellow friends, for I have brought proof that Jews are not a race, it is in fact a a cultural and religious identity

and on top of that jew isnt widely thought of by jews as an offensive term. dr tran is just prejudiced against me. if you choose to be offended by the term "jew" thats your problem because most jews dont find it offensive. i can choose to be offended by the term atheist because im atheist? that doesnt sound fair. dr tran you are a jew, as in someone who is jewish. offended? i dont care

[Fireye]

and on top of that jew isnt widely thought of by jews as an offensive term. dr tran is just prejudiced against me. if you choose to be offended by the term "jew" thats your problem because most jews dont find it offensive. i can choose to be offended by the term atheist because im atheist? that doesnt sound fair. dr tran you are a jew, as in someone who is jewish. offended? i dont care

I'm half russian jew, on my fathers side, which doesn't make me jewish by blood or practice. However, using the term "jew" in counterstrike is generally in the context of, "I got jew'ed", "Fucking jewbag", and so on. It's generally used disrespectfully.

If you want to talk about Judaism, or anything related to it, that's fine. Using the term in a derogatory way is not fine.

[SCRIBBLE]

Stop giving hall attention. I didn't realize that in 2010 this is an issue that still needs to be discussed.

Those not in the fog of what is considered indecent, move on.