Disaster STEAM_0:1:11593586 01-03-13 19:56

[Dj panda]

imo he traced them before sound could be applied. 9000 He knew the guy was there before sound was aplicible. at 14000 hes tracing the guy thru the damn box, even with radar, a direct fucking trace to the guys head. 27000 he sees the guy thru the box and prefires, again sound could not be applied when he first saw him, only after we knew exactly where he could use the excuse of sound. 27600 he traces the guy thru the middle wall and he tries to retreat to cover but cant in time. Also at 39800-40000 He can see them go back there yes, but than he traces BOTH of them across a wall, that is a direct trace.

[brett friggin favre]

i've seen that same sort of thing in my own demos. fact is, you need some pretty definitive proof when it comes to walls. to me, this is a lot of circumstancial walltraces. seems more like chance than anything else to me, and it lacks any real wtf moments. no record of bans on his account, no vac bans, couldnt find anything on his IP, my vote stays no on this one.

[SCRIBBLE]

Voted yes as he is clearly tracing and prefiring at a few tics (~14000, 17000, 26000) where sound/radar and choke points explain nothing. If you use wireframes you can clearly tell he keeps the majority of enemies within his POV and does not check choke points consistently enough to sum it up to that or map knowledge.

Up to CYBER or a clanner now.

[brett friggin favre]

to me, his late reactions at some spots like 20000 and 25000 are what makes me really iffy. so much of the other stuff can be explained by sound, radar, anticipation, and small glimpses of his enemies. the ban's still fresh, panda if you want to, go pull demos from the previous few maps and grab ticks from those. this map's really chaotic and very predictable, another map might better show what we're looking for.

[Dj panda]

Heres another demo

Ticks : 8000, 13000, 16800 , 18700, 23200, 30000, 42600, 44000, 52000, 61200

[Dj panda]

And another demo, getting ticks now. Atm 11800, and 13000 <--- VERY OBVIOUS!!! will get more ticks once done with demo,

more : 15600, 16100, 16800, 22700, 27700, 31700, 32200.

[brett friggin favre]

i'd like to add 15800, 18500, 19000 to those ticks from texture jungle. there are others but this should suffice. to me it's much more clear on this map, and some of the things that could be explained away in the previous demo cannot be explained away in this one.

based off of this new, and in my eyes more revealing, evidence, i'd like to change my vote to BAN.

i apologize for the apparent flip-flopping, i just think this demo is much more conclusive. perma banning and closing. thanks for putting in the extra work panda, and nice catch.

[CYBER]

Re-opened because he requested an unban.
Posted my vote.

Re-closed because the fucker is hacking hardcore.

The first demo is annoying, it's both VERY "wally", but at the same time there's too much clusterfuck sounds around to say it's conclusive (maybe 1 or 2 ticks are not explained, but we have to consider the luck factor and give the benefit of the doubt for 2 minor ticks, specially 14k and others)

That being said, the 2 other demos posted by panda are beyond conclusive. (You should have lead with these first man.)

Good work panda, this ban thread alone is a huge boost in your credibility for the ULA spot.


Remains perma'd. His unban request is denied.
/closed