knife fight improvement

[SHADY V1RU5]

i know ur a busy guy zero and all but i have a suggestion idk if everyone will agree but it will help out if its possible. i was wondering if maybe we could add like a beacon on the player who denies the knife fight or force a knife fight when ppl dont vote afte 10 seconds i have seen this before on servers and it seems to work out nicely..... idk maybe see what everyone says maybe or a vote if thats something you would be willing to do

[Meltdown]

maybe if he doesn't vote but not when he denies. some players deny for very good reason. not everyone is good at knifing and think there chance for gun kill is much better. punishing those people with a beacon isn't fair.

[jwtemp]

I don't know if I would consider it punishment though. The purpose of the knife fight function is to speed up the end of the round. No one likes waiting three minutes for two people to find each other on a map. So I'll agree with you that conditions for refusing a knife fight exist, but honestly it should be pretty rare that someone denies a knife fight on the basis of a really solid reason (personally I don't think 'I don't want to knife' or 'I suck at knifing' is a very good reason. Get better!). Making a change like this or something similar would definitely help speed maps up on the GG server.

[Meltdown]

I don't know if I would consider it punishment though. The purpose of the knife fight function is to speed up the end of the round. No one likes waiting three minutes for two people to find each other on a map. So I'll agree with you that conditions for refusing a knife fight exist, but honestly it should be pretty rare that someone denies a knife fight on the basis of a really solid reason (personally I don't think 'I don't want to knife' or 'I suck at knifing' is a very good reason. Get better!). Making a change like this or something similar would definitely help speed maps up on the GG server.

There maps wich are so small that you really don't need to wait long before someone dies. adding a beacon there to someone could give serious disadvantage since you talk about mere second, think about when someone is on nade level and he suddenly knows where to throw the nade in such small area. If people want to kill with a gun then it is in there right to deny.

[Carmichal]

Denying a knife fight should not be punished that just stupid and defeats the point of having a choice anyways. You coukd be on gnade level and or the other person is on knife level and is a better knife fighter than you. Refusing to press on or two should not be punished. Honestly it is really not much of a problem at this point to worry about and doesn't disrupt game play all that much considering not every round ends in a knife fight and not every person is a douche. Also nobody gets hurt really. Ie running causes someone to get slayed, so an admin will take care of it and it is covered in the rules. Also if the round does get prolonged admintotems pto beacon the players, or if one is camping after a few warnings that player is slapped then slayed. Also the maps are small in gg so it rarely happens. I think zeros time would be better spent else where like removing the fucking terrible floating bodies.



also having half the server call you a vagina is punishment enough.

[jwtemp]

If admins were there all the time to make both of the things you mentioned happen Carmichal, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately an admin isn't always around, and I've definitely run into the aforementioned 'wait too long for two nards to try to kill each other' scenario, as well as the 'nard wants to run from a knife fight and cause someone to lose levels' scenario.

I get arguments both for and against making changes, I really do. My personal opinion is acceptance of a knife fight should be 100% automatic when it's a 1v1 situation unless one player or the other is on nade level. I get why folks wouldn't like that scenario, but it would certainly improve on the knife fight mod's intended affect, which is to get to the next round as quickly as possible.

[Carmichal]

If admins were there all the time to make both of the things you mentioned happen Carmichal, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately an admin isn't always around, and I've definitely run into the aforementioned 'wait too long for two nards to try to kill each other' scenario, as well as the 'nard wants to run from a knife fight and cause someone to lose levels' scenario.

I get arguments both for and against making changes, I really do. My personal opinion is acceptance of a knife fight should be 100% automatic when it's a 1v1 situation unless one player or the other is on nade level. I get why folks wouldn't like that scenario, but it would certainly improve on the knife fight mod's intended affect, which is to get to the next round as quickly as possible.

That is a valid point however we do have the user temp. Ban request on the forums here at that point it Jz up to the player to take an active role.

[CYBER]

maybe if he doesn't vote but not when he denies. some players deny for very good reason. not everyone is good at knifing and think there chance for gun kill is much better. punishing those people with a beacon isn't fair.

I'm pretty sure that's what shady meant.

ACtually maynard,

I've seen it personally where people don't press NEITHER 1 or 2, and stay vigilant. If they get jumped by the enemy who accepted the knife fight before? they hit 1 fast and exploit it to survive the kill.
Now clearly that's an exploit because they are gaining an advantage using a system over a generous enemy who doesn't have the same privileges.
and i've punished people for using the system like this. But there are people who still don't understand that you HAVE to chose either 1 or 2. No one is gonna judge u for being a pussy (k fine they'll judge u , but allow u ).

But if u dn't chose? u're exploiting the system, and i second shady's request to have whoever did NOT vote yet beaconed UNTIL he votes. This way it forces the fucker to vote, and vote fast before the stealthy guy finds him. even if he wanted to vote [2].
I'm not against pussies, but i'm against cheap shots who exploit the system to buy themselves a second life.
And i'm not going against u maynard, im just telling u that this shit happens more than it is reported when admins arent around.

[Carmichal]

i know ur a busy guy zero and all but i have a suggestion idk if everyone will agree but it will help out if its possible. i was wondering if maybe we could add like a beacon on the player who denies the knife fight or force a knife fight when ppl dont vote afte 10 seconds i have seen this before on servers and it seems to work out nicely..... idk maybe see what everyone says maybe or a vote if thats something you would be willing to do

I'm pretty sure that's what shady meant.

NO CYBER NO! Yeah maybe a beacon on the players after 15 seconds. That's as far as we should go with it. There has been legit times when the knife menu dosen't appear and people are not aware of !kfmenu.

IN NO WAY SHOULD ANYONE BE PUNISHED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE FOR PRESSING TWO! What is the point of asking anyways if we do that? Say it once say it a thousand times.

[CYBER]

NO CYBER NO! Yeah maybe a beacon on the players after 15 seconds. That's as far as we should go with it. There has been legit times when the knife menu dosen't appear and people are not aware of !kfmenu.

IN NO WAY SHOULD ANYONE BE PUNISHED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE FOR PRESSING TWO! What is the point of asking anyways if we do that? Say it once say it a thousand times.

well I can suggest that u get beaconed for as long as u didn't press the button.
After 5 seconds of no response, if you haven't voted, FORCE A NO [2] vote.
At least then everyone would be on the same page, and it removes the chance of exploiting.