(iReaper) Benihime STEAM_0:0:50856523 10-02-13

[CYBER]

Cyber, I would severely question any validity of this, you claim providing sufficient proof is "tedious" or potentially difficult, I say you're wrong. I believe you have altered a lot during these encounters, but just like you, I can't prove anything, so I won't speculate. Benihime has done no wrong, or damage, banning someone with literally no evidence still goes against this clans integrity.

ya know what? say wtvr shit u want.
I've been doing this for soo long it stopped being funny (well.. mostly).

I will ask everyone 1 question, do we believe the upper level admin Cyber who's been doing his job the RIGHT way? and backed by screenshots, text caps, copy pasted conversations live, another ULA, and Clanners? is he credible?

or do we chose to believe 2 iReaper NEIGHBOURS who are on the spot, caught red handed.

Especially since both of them have been suspected of hacking by many many players? including some ulas and some other clanners?

Now lets see who ppl believe? I wonder....

edit: i know i sound full of myself (well.. i am) but its just to prove a point. I have no reason to lose my LONG-built credibility over the likes of them. As simple as that.

[Dj panda]

This reminds me of the fluffy thread, it cannot be a perma ban Because as long as we dont have proof that he used it on our server we cannot ban him.

[Assassin]

Just let the clan deal with it. I believe some kind of censure should happen...I don't know what though. Hence why I'm not clan.

[Spasm]

This reminds me of the fluffy thread, it cannot be a perma ban Because as long as we dont have proof that he used it on our server we cannot ban him.

This has nothing to do with fluffy as fluffy never came out and said he was using he hacks, he was just being accused of them on other sites. Mistral and Benihme have been problems on the wcs server for a while now. Both were caught blatantly level farming and Benihime being an admin. I was being told of this conversation anyways and the dude straight up admitted to hacking on our servers. Cyber doesn't give enough shit to try and mod a screenshot to get someone banned. Permaban imo and it was what I will vote. Closed.

[ZERO]

Where is the proof this was in our servers? You also say he was being used to help detect hacks...

There is also a lot of missing information here...

Lastly the bans for people admitting to hacks has been in cases where said users were encouraging the use of hacks on the servers and trying to spread / distribute them.

In context I see references to hacks being used to make claims against an alleged actual hacker on the server.

We need some more information here.

[Nemesis]

If anyone remembers the Ike situation, that was similar to this, but the difference was he admitted it while he was on the server, and was using them at the time of playing. Therefore there was proof of him using hacks on the server. This, on the other hand, lacks context, and while we all know Cyber is an upstanding member of the community and has never shown any indications of abuse, it's unfortunately not good enough.

We don't care if players hack in other games or other servers, we care about what they do here. We also require demos of them hacking in our server, and while a demo of them hacking somewhere else is great added evidence, it's not enough to warrant a permanent ban on it's own.

A steam chat is also not enough to go off of as there are too many unknown variables. Could I not change my steam name to "thecat|ibis.a" open a chat with another admin and admit to hacking and beastiality? Now I know Cyber wouldn't do something like this, but what happens when someone with less credibility makes a similar post? One where we may not know the intentions of the individual as well as we do here. As was said before, I believe this sets a bad president and as Cyber referenced previous cases, so could this be referenced next time.

Cyber, is there any way to get the demo of the actions in question? because then it would save a lot of muddy water in the process.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

We don't care if players hack in other games or other servers, we care about what they do here. We also require demos of them hacking in our server, and while a demo of them hacking somewhere else is great added evidence, it's not enough to warrant a permanent ban on it's own.

not true. there was the guy in WCS a while ago, related to NYS or Dual i think, who hacked in some previous game, and thus they got him banned.

[Nemesis]

not true. there was the guy in WCS a while ago, related to NYS or Dual i think, who hacked in some previous game, and thus they got him banned.

That's because they were clan members and abused their power. If you or me tried to do that we'd be told to find proof of it on our server.

[What]

Well Cyber did say he has more of the conversation, but if Benhime did give the name and time of the hacker he tested with his hacks, then there should be a demo somewhere.

[brett friggin favre]

Where is the proof this was in our servers? You also say he was being used to help detect hacks...

There is also a lot of missing information here...

Lastly the bans for people admitting to hacks has been in cases where said users were encouraging the use of hacks on the servers and trying to spread / distribute them.

In context I see references to hacks being used to make claims against an alleged actual hacker on the server.

We need some more information here.

in the conversation that begins in the screenshot of the steam convo, he's referring to an incident wherein he turned his wallhacks on while in our wcs server to see if another player was hacking. that's why cyber goes on to tell him that people get banned for turning them on. from that we get this:

1. he admits to having hacks
2. he admits to being able to toggle them on and off very simply
3. he admits to turning them on in our server

i'm going to quote the rules again here, and explain my interpretation below:

I. Hacking
2) The use of a program or textures or settings to see though walls
A) wall hacks, prefire, esp


the rule simply states that using a program to allow a user to see through walls is considered hacking. no mention is made of the circumstances in which the hacks are used, nothing states that the user must use them in order to kill another player, nothing states that he has to use it while not in spectate, nothing states that he has to have malicious intent towards the server or other players. the rule solely states that using such a program at all is hacking. also, in the precedent case linked by cyber, i made a ban on milky solely off the fact that he admitted to turning on wallhacks in ibis servers. to quote ITB: "yeah it doesn't matter if he just "tested" it out. Hacks are hacks and unacceptable here in IBIS." if we can perma ban a guy for just testing his hacks in our servers, surely we can perma ban him for checking someone with them.

1. benihime says his aimbot is virtually undetectable and he knows this for a fact
2. he can toggle them on and off at any time, same with his walls
3. he admits to having done it on at least one occasion

you have to keep in mind that the only reason it's gotten to this point is that cyber has been watching this guy for wallhacks since day 1. to quote spasm, a good waller will never be caught. this guy's good. he knows what he's doing. he toggles to create inconsistency, which makes the "kinda wally" moments look more like luck. i personally had several demos which included such moments but lost them when my computer crashed. the reason a ban was never made before now is because he is very good at hiding it. when he comes out and admits that he had no problem turning them on in the blink of an eye, didn't show any hesitation, tells me it's certainly not the first time he's done it, and it wouldn't be the last in all likelihood. it confirms our suspicions, it's not just a random comment out of nowhere. if you're watching someone for walls for a year, thinking dammit i know he walls but i can't make it stick...then he admits to using them...it's a no brainer in my book.

i also note some inconsistencies from beni that imply guilt. this line "ßSNìHí?S: You'd know if I used them" conflicts with part of another conversation he had with cyber (and also in a conversation with me personally) wherein he states that it can be tweaked to be undetectable, saying "trust me, i would know...". he says that it would be obvious one second, the other he says that it would be undetectable. that deceit implies guilt. this line too "6:41 AM - ßSNìHí?S: honestly if i can prove this kids hacking i really dont care if i get banned not that im trying to but if that was something i should be perma'd for dont you think its bad for a ula to hide that?" as noted in cyber's original post. again says he used them in our servers, and that it would be bad for a ula to hide it for that reason.