summoning off the map

[brett friggin favre]

having an issue in vegas currently where it's possible to summon a player outside of the map area. in one particular instance i was summoned to this area and the bomb was planted. i had no way of going back onto the map to complete the objective. i feel like since this manipulates the game so that the objective is not completable, it shouldn't be legal, but wanted to get a discussion going to confirm. can post a demo if neeed.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

remember that it is 100% legal to summon someone such that if they move slightly, they die/disappear. example being "into" the water on de_port. it's possible (and allowed) to stand such that moving forward slightly after being summoned will cause the player to die, as it is technically the summoned's fault he ran off the edge.

a demo would be nice, however, as this does sound different from the normal situation.

[Chef C Green]

remember that it is 100% legal to summon someone such that if they move slightly, they die/disappear.

True, but you're not exactly dying here, so much as being trapped. It offers another way to manipulate players, such that a player could be trapped out of the map from the first summon. Once all other members have died, the bomb can be planted leisurely without threat of being defused, and the player unable to kill himself for with-holding exp from the opposing team. The irony is that the summoner is also with-holding the ability to either defuse or try to fight his way to defuse.

[What]

Wouldn't it be the same as if you summoned in a vent? In essence you are summoning a player where they will be stuck, which I thought was a against the rules for Eye Ra.

[acolyte_to_jippity]

Wouldn't it be the same as if you summoned in a vent? In essence you are summoning a player where they will be stuck, which I thought was a against the rules for Eye Ra.

you can't summon in vents. zero got rid of that ability a LONG time ago. the summoning fails if the player is unable to move a single pixel in at least 1 random direction.

[brett friggin favre]

posting the demo, watch i2o4, he tries it several times, successfully at 39000 and 45000

[CYBER]

honestly ? I'm with a meh on this one.
It's really a situational scenario. TOO situational, to the point of being quite the achievement.
Not only do you need to be on THAT map, but you have to be on that team, at that position, summoning the last guy, who conveniently doesn't have a lace or cannot teleport or fly etc, while the objective is yet to be finished...

Personally? I see this as if u're a vaga, and the enemies got you stuck with a lace. Enemies can simply keep u stuck and go do the objective.
You cannot teleport out to stop them. So they ARE technically blocking you from finishing the objective because u're stuck when they could have simply killed u . The only reason they don't is to get more moolah from the bomb or hosties.
And u might argue that getting stuck with a lace is a game mechanic, but so is summoning people off edges, regardless of the map.

The fact that you can block this by having a lace should be sufficient, if it happened once? it's like those fucking idiots who use hell hunter and go off map with the bomb... and die there... shit happens, tough luck, you counter it or learn from it.
What would happen on crackhouse then if someone summoned u outside the map? or if u were shooting someone and they fell into the building cracks


I'll vote allowed for now, due to rareness of this "exploit".

[ZERO]

From what I can see this is the same as getting a player stuck in that they are stuck outside of the map which is something that is obviously not intnded.

[brett friggin favre]

From what I can see this is the same as getting a player stuck in that they are stuck outside of the map which is something that is obviously not intnded.

this is how i was interpreting it. not to mention...idk if he can get back into the map, so that's also not doing his objective.

[CYBER]

From what I can see this is the same as getting a player stuck in that they are stuck outside of the map which is something that is obviously not intnded.

last i checked zero, u are able to summon people to their death. Dying = not able to complete objective, so would surviving the fall be considered bad? Not to mention that they would be able to kill that summoned guy that fell outside if needed, just follow him. Whether he died from the summon fall or survived, it should be game over for him nway.... Thats my opinion i guess