WCS themed Mafia Game

[brett friggin favre]

Also 90% sure Brett is also Mafia based on how he responds to his own changing opinions.

it's funny because you say that after going with my initial vote, which was against locust, saying he was likely mafia for falling into wolf's accidental trap. now i'm more convinced he's just dumb (see carm's scathing post). in that regard, sure, lynching him would almost be as neutral as no lynch as he won't be much help either way. but if you vote him for being mafia and say i'm one of them at the same time...just go back to the first votes.

in response to me changing my mind, things change in this game. i listen to reasoning, i add my own thoughts, weigh the options, and state my opinion. if my opinion changes, it's because new ideas have been brought to light or i have had some sort of revelation about it. being swayed by facts is just logic, not a sign of mafia.

meanwhile, there's you, pleading with us to not vote no lynch, and just throwing your vote where you think you can get the most numbers, not caring who's lynched as long as it's someone, and disagreeing with the three other people who have been arguing for no lynch, but who haven't been throwing votes around. i'm going with the conservative folks on this and maybe that'll be my downfall, but at least i won't be the one leading the charge into the garbage disposal.

[CYBER]

or the cop could investigate someone who's innocent, and that's one person to not vote for.

what we will have is:

who the mafia killed
-what their motivations may have been
-most likely people to want that person gone
-deceased's role and race

who a killer may have killed
-deceased's role and race
-what caused that person to be a target
-most likely people to target them

-(general)-those less likely to be killer/mafia based on who was killed and why

and likely, one of those two could be brought back by a blood mage.

i guess... not to mention that we're assuming there's a bloodmage, and possibly some kind of a "protector" race (maybe the molecule shield on itself? or a shadow hunter as a "healer" ?),

mmm i didn't think of this... in fact, if there's an undead among us, or a shadow of the void, or "entangle" race, it could actually be beneficial that if we let "night 1" pass, a mafia/killer might accidentally stumble onto those "bombs/traps"...
A night elf could entangle maybe the person attacking it have some kind of investigator role to report the next day that "oh btw, this person tried to get me".
not to mention that if the mafia/killer attacked someone protected, they wouldnt be killed, and they 'd have wasted a night while investigators did their research? and if that person wasn't protected then a bloodmage might revive them...

this would be achievable on day 1-no-lynch, as opposed to accidentally lynching a protector or a cop or a bloodmage or someone that could counter a mafia/killer passively at night without votes....

... FUCK... I just fucked my own brain with this math... suddenly no-lynching sounds more logical.
Fuck your results-outcome post @brett! I see ur comrade @mikey's analytical posts have been rubbing off on you too?

So no-lynching might be good. What about lynching? if we lynch the wrong person, they could revive and nthn bad happened... *brain freeze* ... so lynching is ALSO good?
but no lynching seems good as well... what the...-.-
im guessing it's because we're in day one that "lynching " or "no-lynching" seem to be equally viable options due to the lack of info?

I can see now why both @What and @Nemesis are really holding on to their beliefs... personally im torn apart in confusion now... but seriously, both parties have valid points the way i see it now...

I'm still an unvote. By tonight i will either post and claim that i will be voting someone (pseudo randomly to keep my stand on the fact that no-lynching is bad... most likely @locust -.-) OR i'd post a "no lynch" vote because i now see that unlike last game, townies CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES during the night... or at least many of them can... and it would be bad to accidentally lynch them... and because i might be afk for the next 2 days bcos i have back to back engineering finals and i cant waste time overthinking this....

*goes to re-read the thread but this time trying to embrace @nemesis's point of view rather than What's... as a tester.*

@TOM, im personally gonna start using bloded Red for Voting, blue for unvoting, and green for No-lynch,... YELLOW is for tagging people with the @sign to make it easier for people to follow through my walls of texts, especially if using my phone. is that allowed? since im not using the "keywords" vote/unvote/no-lynch when colored?... Don't mod kill me yet! im just asking a question lol

---------- Post added at 08:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:49 PM ----------

ergh... before u even answer tom.. nevermind it, it was a bad idea... as a moderator wanting to read through it to look for votes , it would make ur life a living hell since colors are used to bring ur attention onto smthn...
it wouldnt be THAT bad, but i can already see you cringing ur teeth at me LOL....

*moves away very slowly and vows not to use colors here except for votes*

[What]

it's funny because you say that after going with my initial vote, which was against locust, saying he was likely mafia for falling into wolf's accidental trap. now i'm more convinced he's just dumb (see carm's scathing post). in that regard, sure, lynching him would almost be as neutral as no lynch as he won't be much help either way. but if you vote him for being mafia and say i'm one of them at the same time...just go back to the first votes.

in response to me changing my mind, things change in this game. i listen to reasoning, i add my own thoughts, weigh the options, and state my opinion. if my opinion changes, it's because new ideas have been brought to light or i have had some sort of revelation about it. being swayed by facts is just logic, not a sign of mafia.

meanwhile, there's you, pleading with us to not vote no lynch, and just throwing your vote where you think you can get the most numbers, not caring who's lynched as long as it's someone, and disagreeing with the three other people who have been arguing for no lynch, but who haven't been throwing votes around. i'm going with the conservative folks on this and maybe that'll be my downfall, but at least i won't be the one leading the charge into the garbage disposal.

My vote is not random, there is a reason behind everything. It is you picking up on the same flawed logic of Nemesis completely out of the blue which is suspicious as hell. Plus your the "we for sure got a blood mage, guys and that means someone comes back to life"
A: How do you know such a role exists
B: why would such a role revive people and not just act as a doctor or protector role to be true to game play
C: How is this role triggered? Can mafia revive as well?

You pulled a race, role, and ability out of your ass in an effort to make it seem like no lynch is totally okay since we can just bring that guy who the mafia off back to life when there is no way to no this, and no evidence to support it either.

[What]

In fact, im not gonna rush into this as of now: Unvote Locust

[Chikun]

Vote No Lynch

Looking for more(?) information and exposition from others before doing anything hasty.

[What]

God Dammit you stupid fuckers, we are gonna be hosed if you go with no lynch. It is only a lose-lose scenario with a slim chance of providing some useful info. NOTHING GOOD WILL COME FROM SUCH A VOTE

[acolyte_to_jippity]

God Dammit you stupid fuckers, we are gonna be hosed if you go with no lynch. It is only a lose-lose scenario with a slim chance of providing some useful info. NOTHING GOOD WILL COME FROM SUCH A VOTE

the way i understand it the likelyhood that you'll end up with 2 fewer innocents after this night is FAR higher than you ending up with one less innocent and one less mafia. why is that a good thing?

[Erdenay]

the way i understand it the likelyhood that you'll end up with 2 fewer innocents after this night is FAR higher than you ending up with one less innocent and one less mafia. why is that a good thing?

... Lol. Do you have to do this trolling, Aco?

[What]

It all comes down to information, if you are going to be paralyzed from action cause you're hemming and hawing over who may or may not be mafia, then logically no one would ever vote for anyone. On Day 2 we will know that 1-2 people are now dead and.......... nothing more than we have now. Its not like the death scenes tom posts are gonna be, "So nemesis killed this guy" or something like that. The best way to get info is to take action, not sit back and slowly die because we would rather die making no choice and the risk making the wrong one to win.

[brett friggin favre]

My vote is not random, there is a reason behind everything. It is you picking up on the same flawed logic of Nemesis completely out of the blue which is suspicious as hell. Plus your the "we for sure got a blood mage, guys and that means someone comes back to life"
A: How do you know such a role exists
B: why would such a role revive people and not just act as a doctor or protector role to be true to game play
C: How is this role triggered? Can mafia revive as well?

You pulled a race, role, and ability out of your ass in an effort to make it seem like no lynch is totally okay since we can just bring that guy who the mafia off back to life when there is no way to no this, and no evidence to support it either.

tom assured us a bloodbath, but didn't say it would be over fast. thinking wcs, that sounds like when you have a nebula and blood mage on the same team. people dying all over, but the rounds still last a while. this is why i say (with 90% certainty if i recall, though that may have been about something else), that we have a blood mage or similar role. i'm not sure exactly how it works, my guess would be a 1 or 2 shot use, or maybe 2 rezzing races (1 shot each), get pm'd with who was killed that night, and are given the option to resurrect one. i don't think they can rez someone who was lynched, that would just kill progress. i don't think mafia can resurrect either, but i could be wrong about that. i'm sure that there is a more traditional doctor role, but its hard to imagine tom would pass the opportunity to throw in this twist. i'm not using this as an argument that no lynch is fine, i'm saying that such a role's existence would minimize damage in all cases and would be particularly beneficial if we don't lynch anyone, because if we lynch a townie we're boned.

i see that you unvoted, and i think that's a good choice. given what happened in the first 2 mafia games (including the one that ended after day 1), the voters went with the first shoddy evidence and lynched a townie. so voting on shoddy evidence is only a good idea when you're lacking in power races, and you need to get a little lucky and in those games, vt's were common. now we have none, so the idea of no lynch can be entertained. we need to see who kills who and how, and if anyone comes back, who may have been investigated, what may have been found, all that stuff. that's our best shot, and if we lynch on shoddy evidence, we have a good chance to lynch a townie. a townie who we KNOW has powers that were meant to HELP us. in a standard game, you'll most likely lynch a VT, which isn't a big deal. but with all the power roles in play here...i don't feel like losing one because someone came up with rag-tag reason.