WCS themed Mafia Game

[brett friggin favre]

You seem to have a shit ton of convenient abilities: kill, protect, investigate, role block and 1x bombproof... I mean I understand some diamonds = killing, spades = bomb proof, role block = clubs, where the investigate and protection come in I got no clue...

On the wolf part I'm guessing either he is getting resed, or got like ninja assassined (Idk just throwing ideas??)

hearts = protect, jack of all trades = investigate (no specific tie to the actual ability i guess, but it comes standard with jack of all trades in mafia games from what i read). now would you like to spell out each aspect of your role for us? jesus i'm naked over here...

also welcome blackmage!

[Blackmage]

Well, before I start babbling, I was wondering, did anyone else notice this:

Wolfenstinger (???), ??? has been stabbed to death on Night 3.

Wasn't this only night 2? Mis-type, or something more devious?

[brett friggin favre]

Well, before I start babbling, I was wondering, did anyone else notice this:



Wasn't this only night 2? Mis-type, or something more devious?

knowing tom, probably a mis-type...but that is interesting...

[Blackmage]

Looking more carefully with Wolf, even if that DOES mean something, it's probably not that he's alive for today, since "With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch." Genocide? Also related: Check out Janitor, possibly X-Use Jani for why we didn't get it day one (or a good doctor)

Now, onto bussiness.

First, most players alive have been lurking, or active lurking. Brett and Nem are the only really active players. My takes on the others:

Carm voted Brett at first, then locust, and finally switched at the end to Cyber. Given she unvoted a Townie claiming it was a drunk vote, to vote a mafia, it may be a vote to throw off other players, or it may just be normal townie random voting.

Owns(now me) tried to vote Sins(who wasn't playing) Cyber(mafia) and Wolfen(???), and cyber for not even a full post. And then was silent, so take that as you will.

Mass voted Locust (town), What (town), then no vote. However, Cyber (mafia) also started sowing doubt upon both Mass and Wolf, hindsight saying that wolf was one of Cyber's known enemies.

Rape has been mostly silent, day 1 voting no lynch, day 2 just bandwagoning a joke vote on brett.

Scrib, was silent and voteless.

Now onto Brett

Nem, given the wiki Tom himself posted uses Anti-Town, it could very easily be true.

However, why does Brett think he roleblocked the Eye Ra? Given Cyber "locked onto" the Eye Ra, and Cyber was a type of Role Blocker I had figured Cyber RB'd him. I take it Tom sent you his Race, but not his Job? This seems odd, but I can accept it. Also, why do you think Eye Ra would be the Cop? I could just as easily see it being: Doctor/Reviver (Resurrect), Bullet Proof (Evade), Summon Could be all sorts of things, Bus Driver, Redirector. He could be another jack of all trades, or variant. Why are you so certain he's a cop? You frankly might need to out our Eye Ra.

The anti bomb thing seems odd given he only visited. Bomb, according to both sources Tom gave, kills those who KILLED him, not VISITED him. Also curious as to why he added this powers later, instead of mentioning it with his other used powers. Also, you say he showed up Mafia, but supposing again, Bomb only kills those who would KILL him, why would he both Frame AND kill him? Are we supposing Bomb does kill those who interact with him, ala Gun Owner?

Day 1: 2 stabs, and a vape, which based upon OP and Lasers, Sounds like Eva, which is a killer Role. And Mikey Suspected Locust. Day 2, one death by Stab, one death by both Stab AND Lasers. EG: Mikey shot AND someone stabbed What. Which seems to give more credence to my "bomb kills those that killed target". Unless this is incidental flavour.

And then, 1-shot bomb immunity? Is this suggesting Tom gave you a skill, that will only work if you target a certain person on the turn they die, or that we think there's more than one bomb ability? Either way, this seems QUITE odd.

Granted, this could be a lot of coincidences, given the strangeness that is Night 3 death.

Now, for more possible coincidences:

Brett not mentioning Cyber or Chikun here

Cyber, not mentioning Brett or Chikun, while going after, now cleared, active non-mafia players (locust, mikey)here)

Cyber did mention Chikun this time, but still no brett here

Brett, on only Cyber here

Cyber on Locust, What here

Cyber starts pointing at Brett slightly here

They both mostly avoided each other and chikun, or lightly pointed fingers. They both were active the entire time, so it's not likely they missed each other. If I missed any serious pointing of fingers towards each other, let me know.

Now, I haven't looked through Nem's posts yet, that's next, just wanted to get this posted first. Mostly because he's been looking more odd than Nem, and this took me 3 hours to research and write. However, I'm actually more concerned that it's the silent players that are mafia, and just watching us point our fingers at each other.

Also, Aco's been more active than a number of our player together :P

[Erdenay]

Just to make a quick note - that wiki link was posted to gather general information. I tend to adjust and make things according to my liking and for it to be made as balanced, so roles and other stuff can easily be different from the wiki (I'm generally not a fan of mafia scum community). The best information for this would be the ConquerClub mafia links as that's where I've spent the most, that's where I liked the community most and that's the community that I have taken most from.

[brett friggin favre]

hmm. you're right on the cyber thing, blackmage. reading again he did target the eye ra, and that's the only block mentioned. failed to notice that the first time around. two possibilities from my standpoint:

1. we both targeted the same person, tom just used cyber's for the point of storytelling.
2. i was roleblocked by a THIRD roleblocker, blocking my roleblock...roleblock-ception. in which case i'm wrong about the eye ra. possibly.
3. the person i roleblocked was of little to no effect, so it didn't make the scene. i attributed the block to my usage without reading carefully...like, at all.

as for how i figure eye ra is a cop: he was going to use summon (what does that do him?) and he also has lens of truth. i figure his investigation is less of a "sneak into your house and go through your shit" and more of a "summon for interrogation".

my guess is the bomb is a type that kills anyone who targets it. In one version of the Bomb role, when the Bomb is killed at Night all other players who target the Bomb that Night will also die. this is a very strong version of the bomb, so it makes sense that bomb immunity would be given.

in the post where i didn't mention chikun and cyber, it's because they weren't causing confusion, and as i had stated, it benefits mafia to cause confusion. cyber did confuse people later on, when the lynch/no lynch argument heated up. also there were several other people not listed, notably What (town), Mikey (town), scrib (???, but most likely not mafia given events of today). also keep in mind, day 1 is nothing but speculation and shots in the dark, which is why we went for a no lynch eventually. admittedly that didn't work out, but had we had an actual day 2 i think things might've gone smoother.

[Blackmage]

Not saying it's not true about the anti-Bomb, but still, for it to be any use, you'd still have to be targeting the bomb at night, at the same time it triggered. It seems an odd and out there ability to have. You also didn't mention why you failed to tell us about it until someone asked why you weren't exploded. Any other abilities you failed to mention? Now, if it was something like gun owner, which you wouldn't want out there, I could understand, but why wouldn't you mention an expended ability?

We also DO know there was another Roleblocker out there, Locust, and it was mentioned that he (seemingly) sucessfully RB'd someone. Did Tom give you any information at N1, or did you just have to assume you succeeded?

This also brings up the question, why did Tom tell us who Cyber "RB'd", and not Locust's target and possibly not yours. Wonder if Eye Ra is even a Player, and not just another Flavour NPC. You might have less information than you think.

I think Tom's storytelling style is going to drive me nuts.

Also, for something I wasn't involved in, the reason to lynch Day 1, is that if you hit a townie, you have better odds to hit a Mafia Day 2, and if you hit a Mafia, all the better. Though, it's also better to have an even number of players alive, so YMMV. Though this is all more useful with vanilla Mafia as with all the roles, this becomes more complex.

[Nemesis]

About the Wolf thing, mafia can have a janitor player, which will disguise how a player is killed and what roll they were.

[brett friggin favre]

sorry, tried to answer everything, but it was long. lol

failed to mention it just because when i was typing it up i forgot to mention it. to follow my exact train of thought, it was "here's what i got AND IM ON YOUR SIDE". so just with that explosion of "DAMMIT DON'T LYNCH ME" it slipped through the cracks. plus it's not that odd-and-out when you look at it in hindsight, i figured it was basically a way to buff my kill ability, so if i find out who the bomb is and suspect him of being mafia, i can kill him and not have to worry about blowing up. didn't know that the bomb worked in the way it seems to have worked. the doctor's role is similar though, you have to target the target of a killing ON THE NIGHT that they're targeted for killing. that's a very common role with a similar element of chance.

i wasn't given any return info from tom after i submitted my action, so i figured i just had to take what i could from the scene.

also, no other skills. i felt this role was pretty OP when i got it from tom...any more skills and it'd have to be more of a neutral role than town-aligned.

also, wish you were around day 1 to explain that in such a way. What's answer was considerably more convoluted with flaming.

[Blackmage]

My posts long? Never!

But, again, it seems out there, because how would you find the bomb? Unless your investigate gave more information than just the anti-town you mentioned. Anti bomb works on, seemingly, one player. With 3+ active killers out there, plus bomb and maybe more passive kills, Doctor isn't that bad of a gamble. There may also be more bomb ability (Flame Pred, Orc/Raiden Nade). Another option: you may be getting bad information from Tom such as having a Paranoid Cop's investigate rather than normal, and just being told you're bomb proof. Or Tom gave it to you because, why not!

Like I said, was wondering if they have an X-Use Janitor, as there was no hidden death information first day, or if there was no mafia kill. But, if it's X-Use, why did they Janitor Wolf, who claims to have been a pseudo Role Blocker, rather than (I'm assuming it was a Mafia hit) Stan? Or do we just assume the mafia hit a doctor'd or bullet proof'd person such as Mikey?

We are frankly at a bad point due to lack of knowledge. Only claim we've had is Brett, and we don't have any real way to check it, as the only information he gave was moot. If we have a cop, he's either been role blocked, or targeted dead people. I frankly still find there to be too many coincidences to trust Brett, but I'm really not sure if he's mafia. Nem has different opinions from mine, doesn't vote much, and argues a lot. I really can't get a read on him. Rape, I'm frankly curious about his comment on his role, and if it can be trusted, means he's most likely not mafia (they don't have many passive roles). Scrib, we'll see after that takes place, but he's been silent. Sadly, we're at about the same point as day 1.

Well, here's the information as I see it:

We may have a Mafia Janitor(wolf's death). Either limited use, or else we also have 3 people who could kill night 1, as Tom confirmed "All actions are in now" which means Janitor didn't miss turning it in, though he may have tried to janit someone who didn't die I guess, which still leaves us with 3+ non-mafia killings. Based upon Locust Death, Mikey probably killed him, which means we have another either Town/3rd party killer, who killed Cyber. Mr. 3rd Party either misses, or kills Wolf day 2, wolf being either a special hidden race and lying about FP, or Janitored.

We've Lost:
A vig
A bomb
a double voter
a Role blocker

They've lost:
Framer
Jailer (Role Blocker + Doctor)

Assuming Jailer does doctor + Role Blocker, even supposing Cyber DID Jail Eye ra, we can't really be sure he's Town, he could be a Reviver that the mob was just making sure stayed alive till later. Heck, if this is true, Wolf could even be a Mafia that they Janitored so when he revived, we wouldn't know. Granted that would take 5 mafia members, or a self janitor (2 dead, janitor, reviver, wolf). Basically, we don't know much, and what we do know isn't confirmable.