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[What]

Look up the definition of integrity. Most words have multiple definitions in the English language. I was not questioning cyber's judgement or intelligence because he made a mistake with which the integrity of the game as a whole was lost.

Well we will have to agree to disagree on that one. He should not have said that to you, but the game was still intact provided you didn't say anything to Chikun or anyone else. Was it a kink in the system? Sure Was it devastating to the rest of the game? No

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I want it addressed because he has made a public attempt to shift blame to me as if I were maliciously trying to make him leak info. I have the entire convo saved however I do not see a reason to post it unless provoked further.

I understand that, and I would bet that wasn't his intention. He isn't great with the writing, which is why the scenes were my creation and what not.

[SCRIBBLE]

Nothing is intellectually gained by saying we will have to agree to disagree. What is implied by the agreeing to disagree is that I am wrong, you are right, and you are done discussing the matter.

[Chikun]

My issue with the hidden roles, specifically mine. Was that there was no hint or clue to even make me think I was a Judas. My name in that game was Pompeii, I had a feeling I would have somehow exploaded. The name had nothing to do with the role and as a result it felt to me that it was a hilarious asspull that I survived the lynch. I really don't mind hidden roles so long as people can understand the name reference on what they can (but not always) expect but that just felt weaksauce.

[SCRIBBLE]

Think of it this way -- integrity means unimpaired or in perfect condition therefore for the purposes of my example, integrity = 100%. at the beginning the game's integrity was sound. Cyber revealing chikun took it down to 99%. 99% is not 100% albeit close enough it does not matter. Regardless of impact the game's full integrity was lost. 99% ≠ 100%.Excuse the order of everything I hate typing on this phone.

[CYBER]

Cyber, please respond to this as you seemed to have passed right by it after essentially blaming me for your mistake.

u seem to have skipped the part beforehand when u were asking about chikun...
i'll just pretend it wasnt intentional.
im not blaming you per say... i'm blaming the situation... you were dead, you were telling me that u think u're right about chikun (which u left out here), and then i hinted that chikun might not be all that he is. i said he was nthn right now bcos he was , and then i realized that i said too much bcos that part was actually meant for What bcos i was talking to both of you... and i told u that before, so when u were inquring about chikun, i was in a specific mindset about chikun and i screwed up by hinting as to what he was. Due to the fact that u were dead, i asked u to respectfully keep this undisclosed because you were dead and that wasn't gonna affect the game.
You were upset that you were thinking about subbing back in, and sry if u thought that u had no chance bcos of this, but in fact there were enough replacements if needed, and so problem was contained because that practically the first day into the game and i was trying to get accustomed to being a mod and not say shit.

so yeah, here's ur respnse, im not saying it's ur fault, im saying that due to the fact that u were inquiring about the game when u were dead, it set up the perfect scenario for the mod to screw up and tell u smthn he didnt mean to. and u were asked to not comment on this so that it doesn't affect the game. which it didn't so i thank u for that.
u had to bite the bullet for an honest mistake between a mod and a dead man talking , and u held up ur end in keeping the role hidden so that the game went on as if nthn happened.

Nem is claiming that we did stuff that CHANGED the game. what u and me scribble talked about was smthn aside, and the only reason the mod would be in trouble is if the the dead player went ahead and broke silence. This would have involved both parties being at wrong to cause a problem. but since i trusted that u were legit and respectful, i knew that i could trust u to not say what i said... had u been someone else prone to talking? i.e someone i wouldnt trust with my life? i'd have immediately told What about it and scrapped the game.

As for talking ? Tom did it when i died, blade was accused of doing it from what i heard, but that's not part of the game, that's a friendly discussion between a mod and a dead man that does not affect the game being played LIVE and is not even related to what Nemesis is tryin to say. nem is saying we did smthn that affected the game. our thing scribble CLEARLY doesn't fit nemesis's criteria

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I want it addressed because he has made a public attempt to shift blame to me as if I were maliciously trying to make him leak info. I have the entire convo saved however I do not see a reason to post it unless provoked further.

nah man , i wasnt shifting the blame to u. i realize that sometimes i suck at converying a msg bcos of my wording and bcos of style of writing,, and i hope u understand taht im not blaming u , im blaming this whole situation that caused me to slip a word i didnt mean to when we were talking just bcos u happened to be asking about the game when i was in a specific mood bcos of another convesation with the mod.
that made me screw up unintentioally, u just happened to be there..

in fact, because it was YOU, a person with gd integrity, i realized i could trust u in not making my mistake public and keeping it between us so that it doesnt affect the thread. which it didnt. u did right, and thanks for that.
it's just the situation of having a player talking to the mod (u didnt mean harm) caused me to make a mistake... a mistake which would not have happened had we not been talking in the first place)

[What]

My issue with the hidden roles, specifically mine. Was that there was no hint or clue to even make me think I was a Judas. My name in that game was Pompeii, I had a feeling I would have somehow exploaded. The name had nothing to do with the role and as a result it felt to me that it was a hilarious asspull that I survived the lynch. I really don't mind hidden roles so long as people can understand the name reference on what they can (but not always) expect but that just felt weaksauce.

It was Pompey, not Pompeii, one is a location the other was a member of the first trimuvirate who initially worked with Caesar, then against him.

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Also, All of the names hinted at the roles in some way or anther. My only regret was making Demosthenes the Forensic investigator rather than naming him Galen. I wanted to include more Greeks in the game, and I justified it since in Demosthenes's Philipics he constantly preached on things he understood to be true regarding who was manipulating the actions in the chersonese, so it seemed like it would make some sense as an investigator who figured out the real people behind the evil deeds.

[SCRIBBLE]

I am going to post every conversation you and I had because you seem to be forgetting large parts of that conversation about how I was not upset and that you were misconstruing what I was saying to which you admitted to within that conversation. In fact all I did was point out that subbing me back in with that info would be unfair to the others which you also admitted to. I have not mentioned nem at all regarding this and am in no means trying to compare the two situations as his situation seems irrelevant to my issue. I am glad you are not shifting the blame but it sure does not seem that way with your false claims about me prodding about chikun or backing you into a corner.

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I will post it when I get back to an actual computer, it was hard enough copying and pasting the short bit of convo earlier from my phone.

[CYBER]

I am going to post every conversation you and I had because you seem to be forgetting large parts of that conversation about how I was not upset and that you were misconstruing what I was saying to which you admitted to within that conversation. In fact all I did was point out that subbing me back in with that info would be unfair to the others which you also admitted to. I have not mentioned nem at all regarding this and am in no means trying to compare the two situations as his situation seems irrelevant to my issue. I am glad you are not shifting the blame but it sure does not seem that way with your false claims about me prodding about chikun or backing you into a corner.

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I will post it when I get back to an actual computer, it was hard enough copying and pasting the short bit of convo earlier from my phone.

u can post it if u want, but i think we both agreed that i wouldn't be letting u back in the game with that info.
you will see in that conv that i told u there is STILL a chance for u to get back in the game, but what i didnt wanna tell you is WHEN.

You see, u understood as if i told u some key piece of info and that i was gonna let u back in the game knowing that info, which is totall unfair and i give u that.

What u didnt u didn't know was that i wasnt gonna let you in until a specific even triggers:
either chikun dies, or he's recruited by mafia, or is swapped to the other team, or the existence of a cult was revealed.

That's what i was trying to avoid telling u : the fact that cult exists, and that chikun had a judas role...
When i slipped that chikun was townie, u got upset that u couldn't join back in the game, to which i told u to not worry about bcos there's a chance u can still come back in the game... WHEN? i wasnt gonna tell u for ur own gd so that i dnt spoil anything and prevent u from joining.

had any of the above events happened, (especially the existence of cult been revealed), then ur knowledge of chikun's temporary VT role would have been utterly useless, and THAT's when there was a chance for u to play... but not before.

so like i said, i apoligize if i slipped a word but i was trying to keep this controlled bcos an even in the game would have allowed u to come back in the game as if u knew nthn... (that's assuming we actually needed a replacement, and that masskid/shadow/wolf/locust who also wanted to play before u are all unavailable.

That being said, yes, saying that 1 word about chikun was bad. that's my slip. The fact that u were dead made it less of a problem bcos it wasnt gonna affect the game.

The problem is that u had to go under the illusion that u can be subbed later so that ur feelings arent hurt bcos of my mistake, but at the same time, that made u think that i am willing to let anyone in even if they knew info, which wasn't the case as i explained earlier.

so feel free post the steam msg, but i covered it here i think. Im the one that screwed up, u were upset that u couldnt join without knowing smthn that others did, which in fact was useless bcos of the nature of the game given that judas and cult exist.
so yeah, the mistake was not urs, it was mine, and u thought it screwed over ur chances when it didn't.. thats what i meant that i got cornered bcos i really wanted to tell u not to worry about my slip bcos that's useless info, but that ITSELF would be slipping even more... so instead i decided to let it go for now until the game is revealed, which it has.

[SCRIBBLE]

I explained I was not upset with not being able to go in under those circumstances. I got lynched and was not concerned with reentering because that is how the game is played . I was only trying to clarify that it was something that should be avoided in the future. I see what you mean regarding the cult and I now see what you were doing to conceal it. That was quality damage control on your part. Saying that, I think we can drop it now but I am still going to send you the logs in a pm tomorrow when I can get to a computer for the sake of posterity.

[CYBER]

I explained I was not upset with not being able to go in under those circumstances. I got lynched and was not concerned with reentering because that is how the game is played . I was only trying to clarify that it was something that should be avoided in the future. I see what you mean regarding the cult and I now see what you were doing to conceal it. That was quality damage control on your part. Saying that, I think we can drop it now but I am still going to send you the logs in a pm tomorrow when I can get to a computer for the sake of posterity.

that's understandable. and thanks for understanding where i stood on this. i was trying to keep the existence and cult hidden for the time being even it made me look like a dick by making u think u lost ur chances of playing in again.

but thanks for being mature about it.
If the others would be the same as you, we probably would have avoid this shit-fest...
and sure, send me the pm. but i think i remember most of it nway, but sure

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also scribbs, i hope that u'd give us a chance to fix mistakes by learning from them. It was our first time modding, and being excited about this game from mods AND players caused many ppl to make mistakes or question the mod. they have the right to ask if there's a mistake, and i give that to nem, but if the mod choses to ignore the situation, it's either bcos there's nthn he can do to fix without modifying the game midway (blade's gun), or by throwing away the game, ORRR it was intentional all along and there is no mistake. so rly? there's no point in argueing about the game setting beforehand...

So yeah, at least we solved ONE misunderstanding and mistake now... All we need to do is make aco and nem and others settle their disputes with What or myself and we can put this behind us and learn from this to avoid this fuck fest of happening again just because things dnt go our way....

ps: my other thread keeps getting closed bcos we shouldnt have more than 1 active mafia thread at 1 times because maynard thinks they are a waste since we're clogging the forums with many of those...
so if the thread has been closed before or again, u know why... it's not me trying to prevent What or u guys from talking, but just Clan doing their gd job at a clean up.
Hence me talking here mostly.