Complain again Immune

[JesterQC]

I'm french my english is borkied as fuck

[therealimmune]

.....
lmao
this made my day....
get better all i can say

[brett friggin favre]

I understand that the objective must be completed, but that doesn't seem to be the issue here, it seems to be more of Immune taking his time before moving, since he doesn't have to. I think a demo would make it more clear since then it will be ovbvious if Immune was not respecting the objective or if the others were being impatient. Overall though I have seen people complain about not doing the objective when there is over 1:30 left on the clock which is annoying as fuck.

As far as immune berating you, well yeah that seems about right, especially with your English it probably makes everything more irritating, not a dig at you your English is better than my French, just that it is really frustrating and kinda annoying sometimes hearing broken English.

i was just explaining the rule as it is. i haaaate it when people sit in spawn with crypt lord but it's not against the rules.

[jwtemp]

i was just explaining the rule as it is. i haaaate it when people sit in spawn with crypt lord but it's not against the rules.

Let me just make sure I understand, as I don't play WCS and this is mildly amusing.

The rules state it's against the rules to camp and not do objectives. But the rules also state you can camp as long as you want as long you attempt to do some objectives? That's silly. That means I can camp for the full round, and as long as I 'move to do an objective' (emphasis on the quotes) in the last fifteen seconds of any given round, nothing can be done to curb my shitty camping behavior, thus everyone must suffer for the 90% of the duration of the round because I'm a shitty camping baddie. What happens if I camp the entire duration of the round but someone kills me? Am I bannable because 'I camped and didn't move to do an objective?'

Why even have an anti camping rule in the first place? Defeats its on purpose on the face of it.

[therealimmune]

if you had a lace i would come and kill you.
but you didnt...

qq less plz

[brett friggin favre]

Let me just make sure I understand, as I don't play WCS and this is mildly amusing.

The rules state it's against the rules to camp and not do objectives. But the rules also state you can camp as long as you want as long you attempt to do some objectives? That's silly. That means I can camp for the full round, and as long as I 'move to do an objective' (emphasis on the quotes) in the last fifteen seconds of any given round, nothing can be done to curb my shitty camping behavior, thus everyone must suffer for the 90% of the duration of the round because I'm a shitty camping baddie. What happens if I camp the entire duration of the round but someone kills me? Am I bannable because 'I camped and didn't move to do an objective?'

Why even have an anti camping rule in the first place? Defeats its on purpose on the face of it.

if it only takes you 15 seconds to complete the objective then that's fine. you need to move with reasonable time to complete the objective. you mostly play gg and it is different there, but in wcs there are races such as eye ra and crypt lord which are best played in a safe place, so camping is part of it. both races have ultimates which give them offensive capabilities with infinite range. so obviously sitting in spawn as a human or something gets a lot less leeway, but it's extremely rare that such a thing happens.

[jwtemp]

if it only takes you 15 seconds to complete the objective then that's fine. you need to move with reasonable time to complete the objective. you mostly play gg and it is different there, but in wcs there are races such as eye ra and crypt lord which are best played in a safe place, so camping is part of it. both races have ultimates which give them offensive capabilities with infinite range. so obviously sitting in spawn as a human or something gets a lot less leeway, but it's extremely rare that such a thing happens.

I get that I don't play WCS, but the rules just seem so... inconsistent reading the threads. What I guess I was really asking is what kind of demo would Jester have to provide to prove that Immune broke the rules? On a bomb map, how long would Immune have to sit in spawn for it to be considered an infraction? Jester said he was camping for '2 to 3 minutes' - clearly neither of us know how accurate that is - but on a bomb map, I guess the real question is what's a reasonable amount of time to complete an objective? Shouldn't the Ts be moving to bomb plant locations near constantly? If we state that 'killing the other team' is a viable objective, the rules against camping are pointless.

I get there are races where camping is advantageous (camping in CS:S and FPSes is, in fact, advantageous in general) but if you're going to condone camping and not completing objectives on one hand and have a rule against it on the other, I guess I struggle to make sense of why, other than 'so I can enforce it when I feel it's warranted,' which is a very subjective, and arguably bad, methodology to creating rule sets.

Note, there's no condemnation here, I'm just interested and perplexed.

[brett friggin favre]

I get that I don't play WCS, but the rules just seem so... inconsistent reading the threads. What I guess I was really asking is what kind of demo would Jester have to provide to prove that Immune broke the rules? On a bomb map, how long would Immune have to sit in spawn for it to be considered an infraction? Jester said he was camping for '2 to 3 minutes' - clearly neither of us know how accurate that is - but on a bomb map, I guess the real question is what's a reasonable amount of time to complete an objective? Shouldn't the Ts be moving to bomb plant locations near constantly? If we state that 'killing the other team' is a viable objective, the rules against camping are pointless.

I get there are races where camping is advantageous (camping in CS:S and FPSes is, in fact, advantageous in general) but if you're going to condone camping and not completing objectives on one hand and have a rule against it on the other, I guess I struggle to make sense of why, other than 'so I can enforce it when I feel it's warranted,' which is a very subjective, and arguably bad, methodology to creating rule sets.

Note, there's no condemnation here, I'm just interested and perplexed.

in a pub situation you'd be right. i'm not condoning not completing the objective, i'm condoning waiting as late as you want (within reason) to do so. on a bomb map, it usually takes 20-30 seconds to get to a bombsite and plant the bomb, assuming minimal interference. so as long as you have about that much time left, you're fine to camp.

the "camping" rule for wcs is somewhat poorly stated. it directly states The objective must be respected and completed. camping is not allowed.
, but really the 2nd part has been disregarded in practice, because of how it can somewhat conflict with the first part. as long as the objective is attempted with reasonable time left to complete it, camping is allowed. camping beyond that point is not allowed.

[CYBER]

The way I see it is that, as long as you have a teammmate doing the objective, by all means you can whore crypt lord and eye rae till the end of times in spawn.

NOW, once u're alone, there is no "1 minute" limit, or 1.5 minute limits.

For the hosties, you simply have to factor in that you need to get in the room, talk to them, and walk them out with possible setbacks: THATS the time you really should be getting a move on, bcos what's the point of moving afterwards if time is gonna run out on u .
Bombsite, same tihng, as long as u plant the bomb before the deadline, u're gd.
I specifically remember spasm taking his sweet ass time in the scrim and planting at the 5 second mark of the game, whinning the round and the game... it's not against the rules to TAKE UR TIME AND NOT RUSH RECKLESSLY.

Crypt lord and eye rae specifically have an ADVANTAGE of taking their time, even hells demon. so taking ur time to power urself up, or weakening them, or getting a high edge by summoning them is NOT against the rules. and there is no time limit to get ur move on per se. it's really common courtesy tho.

NOW, when does "taking ur time" become camping? When someone unlike those power races above is sitting in spawn or hiding in appartments and waiting for the deadline to finish WITHOUT doing anything... at all. without spamming their ult, without walking slowly to the enemy lines, or if the enemy has a lace and the crypt lord has no reason to sit back and spam ulti.

at that point, it becomes IMPOSSIBLE for the crypt lord to finish his objective by sitting back in spawn and spamming ulti till kill, and he should consider start moving towards the other objectives. but that doesn't mean they have to rush head first without strategizing, as long as they are "trying" to study the angles, then you cant tell them anything.

One of the objectives is killing the enemy, if that is possible to be accomplished by spamming locust or summoning them 25 seconds later, by all means, take ur time, but if that fails, you need to be doing the other objectives then, that's either killing the enemy by creeping up on them smartly, OR getting the hosties/bomb done ON TIME... and that's the ONLY ONLY reason u'd ever use the word "time" when u're asking someone to do the objective.\

those are my 2 cents on how i see it... but rly, by the end of the day, it really depends on the round ITSELF and the player's normal pace. if he's INTENTIONALLY delaying teh round so that he doesnt die without even bothering to do the objective, that's bad, but so long he's moving (at a snail pace) towards it, or using his ulti to win the objective remotely, again, that's fine.

[Carmichal]

The way I see it is that you are BOTH ass hole. Jester learn how this comunity works, ANYONE CAN HAVE ADMIN IF THEY GOT 11 BUCKS. Immune, don't be an asshole.